Ok, so how do they know you're just not shooting at them yet? They can't see who you are shooting at and they don't know if you're going to swing your gun and shoot them next.
We should also ban anything that can conceivably make a bomb too because if you can't make a bomb, then you can't blow up people. Good luck keeping your bathroom clean, your vegetables fertilized and your car running.
What is it we learned so many times in school and in Disney movies? "Where there's a will, there's a way"
Pepper spray is actually a great tool for mugging people. Dark alley/park/etc, fewer other people (typical mugging place). Spray someone in the face, grab what you want and run. They probably won't be able to ID you at all if you plan it just a little bit. And best of all, it appeals to those of us with somewhat of a conscience because it's going to be non-lethal in 99.99% of cases (whereas just brandishing a kitchen knife means someone could get seriously hurt).
Not in favor of the ban, just saying it's not as purely-defensive as it may at first seem. After all, even a motorcycle helmet can do a lot of damage if you swing it at someone.
If a guy decides he wants to kill a whole lot of people and takes the time and effort to get body armor and tear gas, but finds guns are unavailable do you think he would:
A) Use a knife/baseball bat/bow and arrow/other relatively short range and less lethal weapon B) Build a bomb or find another way to make an explosion using readily available materials at your local shop that are more accessible than a gun C) Give up and go home, as guns are the only way to kill a bunch of unsuspecting and distracted people in a crowded, public place
I was referring to the guys that go on shooting sprees in public as nutjobs... not gun owners as nutjobs. I come from rural NY where it's unusual for a house to have fewer guns than people (although handguns are somewhat rare, most are higher powered rifles and shotguns). As far as I'm aware, we haven't had any gun-related violence in a very long time.
However, I would call the Swiss crazy just because of what the Swiss Guard is willing to wear in public.
No, but it is a place for nerds to congregate to discuss news that a lot of them are apparently interested in. 9/11 wasn't exactly news for nerds (other than the subset of it causing some Internet blackouts), but as I recall, the 9/11 articles were some of the most heavily commented in Slashdot history.
Of course. Everyone commits felonies, but only the real hardened criminals commit misdemeanors. Grand Theft Auto was a great game, but there was way too much jaywalking in it so I wouldn't let my kids play it.
No, it sounds like anyone who was legally carrying there acted intelligently - they didn't shoot back. This nutjob would have probably gotten a gun with or without better gun control. And if he couldn't get a gun, a bomb would probably be next on his list of things to do. Guns don't make people go crazy, it's just something they use when they go crazy. If a gun is not available, they *will* find another way.
Because there totally haven't been ANY school shootings in Europe in the last 10 years. Except for France, Italy, Norway, Greece, Germany, Hungary, Finalnd, the Netherlands or Russia. But they don't count, right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting#Europe
This is a case in which armed citizens would hopefully be intelligent enough not to fire back. It was a dark, crowded theater with tear gas and way too many people dressed as Batman (which looks similar to the shooter's garb in a dark, crowded and tear gas filled theater).
With all the massacres I hear about, I never hear about one in which the shooter met with resistance (maybe those don't make as good a news story?). However, I do hear about them happening at schools where guns are generally barred for anyone except uniformed police officers. The shooters probably pick these targets knowing resistance would be minimal.
Only idiots assume that citizens having guns *prevents* nutjobs from shooting. Most of these guys know it won't end well for them, sooner or later. Very few honestly expect to not get caught and punished (likely why it's so common for them to commit suicide at the end of the spree). What it really does is minimize the damage. The nutjob is going to open fire anyway and will kill people before anyone can react. However, if there's resistance then he may only get a handful of people before being taken down as opposed to mowing down a crowd before the cops show up.
That said, this particular case is one in which firing back would have been a very bad idea. It was a crowded, dark and apparently tear gas filled theater with a whole lot of people dressed up as Batman (similar to the dark clothes the shooter was wearing). Even if you get a clear shot and you're 100% sure you have the right target and are 100% sure you won't hit someone else, another armed citizen might mistake you for the bad guy in the confusion and shoot you by mistake.
Just to clarify - I know he was talking about the moon, but dust has been a major issue on Mars so that's why I pointed at that - especially since in the Q&A he made it clear that Mars is a much better place than the moon for a major permanent settlement.
Considering how long the Martian rovers operated in that dust with no human intervention beyond taking advantage of the Martian winds to clear it off and in spite of less-than-optimal preparedness for it, I'm sure we'd be able to find a way to compensate for it.
Some teachers, sure. But I had plenty of teachers who just made it worse. We started trigonometry in 7th grade, but I didn't understand it at all until four years (and four teachers) later. The first two teachers were utter crap who couldn't explain it in any way other than how the textbook explained it. The third teacher was better, but just couldn't make it click. The fourth teacher was great and I went on to take calculus with her as well. But that's a 25% success rate for math teachers in my school. If I didn't have my parents pushing me at home, even though they didn't understand it any better than I did, I would have given up by the second teacher.
Not sure if this is true, but the previous story about this said that the device does not normally record (for more than a few seconds anyway, before it's overwritten), but that the damage caused by the altercation made the images stay in its memory.
I'd have to agree with you. It's not changing my feelings towards McDonalds in general - mostly towards that one location. Every franchise has locations with great employees and locations with the laziest, dumbest idiots you'll ever meet.
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Ok, so how do they know you're just not shooting at them yet? They can't see who you are shooting at and they don't know if you're going to swing your gun and shoot them next.
We should also ban anything that can conceivably make a bomb too because if you can't make a bomb, then you can't blow up people. Good luck keeping your bathroom clean, your vegetables fertilized and your car running.
What is it we learned so many times in school and in Disney movies? "Where there's a will, there's a way"
The shooter is 24 year old James Holmes. His car has TN plates, but he had an apart in/near Denver.
I left that out as there's no indication yet as to whether or not the guns he had were legal... so that may very well be the option taken.
Pepper spray is actually a great tool for mugging people. Dark alley/park/etc, fewer other people (typical mugging place). Spray someone in the face, grab what you want and run. They probably won't be able to ID you at all if you plan it just a little bit. And best of all, it appeals to those of us with somewhat of a conscience because it's going to be non-lethal in 99.99% of cases (whereas just brandishing a kitchen knife means someone could get seriously hurt).
Not in favor of the ban, just saying it's not as purely-defensive as it may at first seem. After all, even a motorcycle helmet can do a lot of damage if you swing it at someone.
If a guy decides he wants to kill a whole lot of people and takes the time and effort to get body armor and tear gas, but finds guns are unavailable do you think he would:
A) Use a knife/baseball bat/bow and arrow/other relatively short range and less lethal weapon
B) Build a bomb or find another way to make an explosion using readily available materials at your local shop that are more accessible than a gun
C) Give up and go home, as guns are the only way to kill a bunch of unsuspecting and distracted people in a crowded, public place
I was referring to the guys that go on shooting sprees in public as nutjobs... not gun owners as nutjobs. I come from rural NY where it's unusual for a house to have fewer guns than people (although handguns are somewhat rare, most are higher powered rifles and shotguns). As far as I'm aware, we haven't had any gun-related violence in a very long time.
However, I would call the Swiss crazy just because of what the Swiss Guard is willing to wear in public.
Fred Willard was using non-lethal rounds. So non-lethal, they could have created new life if he managed to hit a woman in the right spot.
Your car's seat must have been pretty uncomfortable after a few bad movies.
No, but it is a place for nerds to congregate to discuss news that a lot of them are apparently interested in. 9/11 wasn't exactly news for nerds (other than the subset of it causing some Internet blackouts), but as I recall, the 9/11 articles were some of the most heavily commented in Slashdot history.
That's why in Canada, you have the right to arm bears instead.
Of course. Everyone commits felonies, but only the real hardened criminals commit misdemeanors. Grand Theft Auto was a great game, but there was way too much jaywalking in it so I wouldn't let my kids play it.
No, it sounds like anyone who was legally carrying there acted intelligently - they didn't shoot back. This nutjob would have probably gotten a gun with or without better gun control. And if he couldn't get a gun, a bomb would probably be next on his list of things to do. Guns don't make people go crazy, it's just something they use when they go crazy. If a gun is not available, they *will* find another way.
Probably so the employees don't grab a gun off you and go to town. It's sort of like why you shouldn't antagonize the lions at the zoo.
More likely it's the altitude. The state averages around 6800 feet (little over 2km) above sea level.
Because there totally haven't been ANY school shootings in Europe in the last 10 years.
Except for France, Italy, Norway, Greece, Germany, Hungary, Finalnd, the Netherlands or Russia. But they don't count, right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting#Europe
Nor have there been non-school massacres in Europe.
http://www.expatica.com/be/news/local_news/mass-shootings-in-europe_195344.html
This is a case in which armed citizens would hopefully be intelligent enough not to fire back. It was a dark, crowded theater with tear gas and way too many people dressed as Batman (which looks similar to the shooter's garb in a dark, crowded and tear gas filled theater).
With all the massacres I hear about, I never hear about one in which the shooter met with resistance (maybe those don't make as good a news story?). However, I do hear about them happening at schools where guns are generally barred for anyone except uniformed police officers. The shooters probably pick these targets knowing resistance would be minimal.
Only idiots assume that citizens having guns *prevents* nutjobs from shooting. Most of these guys know it won't end well for them, sooner or later. Very few honestly expect to not get caught and punished (likely why it's so common for them to commit suicide at the end of the spree). What it really does is minimize the damage. The nutjob is going to open fire anyway and will kill people before anyone can react. However, if there's resistance then he may only get a handful of people before being taken down as opposed to mowing down a crowd before the cops show up.
That said, this particular case is one in which firing back would have been a very bad idea. It was a crowded, dark and apparently tear gas filled theater with a whole lot of people dressed up as Batman (similar to the dark clothes the shooter was wearing). Even if you get a clear shot and you're 100% sure you have the right target and are 100% sure you won't hit someone else, another armed citizen might mistake you for the bad guy in the confusion and shoot you by mistake.
Man, you must really hate Earth.
Just to clarify - I know he was talking about the moon, but dust has been a major issue on Mars so that's why I pointed at that - especially since in the Q&A he made it clear that Mars is a much better place than the moon for a major permanent settlement.
Considering how long the Martian rovers operated in that dust with no human intervention beyond taking advantage of the Martian winds to clear it off and in spite of less-than-optimal preparedness for it, I'm sure we'd be able to find a way to compensate for it.
but we alrdy knw englsh good u cnt axpect us 2 gt bttr!!!!
It hurt to write the above. Even in jest.
Some teachers, sure. But I had plenty of teachers who just made it worse. We started trigonometry in 7th grade, but I didn't understand it at all until four years (and four teachers) later. The first two teachers were utter crap who couldn't explain it in any way other than how the textbook explained it. The third teacher was better, but just couldn't make it click. The fourth teacher was great and I went on to take calculus with her as well. But that's a 25% success rate for math teachers in my school. If I didn't have my parents pushing me at home, even though they didn't understand it any better than I did, I would have given up by the second teacher.
Not sure if this is true, but the previous story about this said that the device does not normally record (for more than a few seconds anyway, before it's overwritten), but that the damage caused by the altercation made the images stay in its memory.
I'd have to agree with you. It's not changing my feelings towards McDonalds in general - mostly towards that one location. Every franchise has locations with great employees and locations with the laziest, dumbest idiots you'll ever meet.