i really do not know why linux pups decide to use black people in thier posts, but allow me to help in it. if i had a mob of 50 people come to my house for a person i let stay in a room, they gave me a choice. "gimmi the person or ill burn yer house" i would just about throw that person out. it would not matter if it is black white..jew or baptist. I will not take heat for someone else. all of you 15 year old kids that have excatly 0% exp in life can cry about how evil or mean i am...but thats life...but then again...you like linux after all/me shrugs meep meep
again....a response with ideals that are just not realistic. I would really like you to work as the senior admin at a small isp...deal with attacks every other day....then tell me your fantasy dream where police actully do something about attacks, until then...please do not input information on a topic you really have absolutly no experience on...it detracks from people that know how it works. meep meep
actully...no...none of that would happen there is no way a court will even take a charge for looking out for itself. dialups are month to month, and have no such rules protecting them from being cancelled. remember, "we reserve the right to cancel accounts whenever we deem it" that is in our service agreement:) again...if users have a problem with it...goto someone else
sigh, another excellent post. I am really amazed at alllll the people that think up allllll these ways to solve the problem, yet not a single one has a clue how isps work. or what a budget is. or how much upstream small isps have to begin with. I cannot really blame them tho, they are simply iggnorant as to how the world works.
after reading all that you had to say about the topic...i am more then happy to give a responce. you appear to be one of the people in the world that has 1001 ideas HOW to make it a better place, yet you never seem to do anything about it. instead of critizing people for looking out for themselves first, you tell them they are bad for it. that is simply a load of crap. I would recommend that you get a job as a admin for an isp...and deal with attacks on a dialy basis, then try and speak on the subject. and about your reference to the "black person living in my house". If I allow a person to come into my house...ANY person, and they have ANY sort of problem, yes i would blame the attackers. but since im not going to rush out and shoot the 50 people wanting to lynch that person...i will give them the person. I, nor any of my houseguests, are going to suffer because of one person. no matter the cause. and please....0.00001% of attacks are random...95% are people shooting thier mouths off to people when they should not be doing so. then you said: Hold on here. You presume too much. How do you know that a dialup is being attacked? Remember, it's nearly impossible to reliably track a dialup user across connections unless you have a copy of the logs and account information used to log in (and if someone outside the ISP has a copy of those, then DoS attacks should be the least of your worries). Im sorry, but it is QUITE easy to track a user that is being attacked on my network. i have many toolos that will tell me the incoming traffic and where it is directed, after i know what ip, i simply check to see what user is currently using that ip. then i have plenty of options. but i think you know what i am gonna do at that point. there is little that i can do about the people that are attacking the client. DoS attacks are NOT that easy to deal with and it is not simply a matter of calling the cops to get the person picked up it is FAR easier for me to simply kick off the user that is getting attacked....that, and it will end the attack. in my eyes...ending the attack is all that matters and only selfish people that have little to no exp. in business affairs would be dumb enuff to let the business go under to save a little dialup, a dialup that makes very little for the company in the first place and its "meep meep":P
this has to be the most shortsighted comment i have seen yet. Your saying as an isp, if your getting an attack...i should have no right to choose that you are bad for my business or have the right to remove you from the systems that other clients you are damaging. that is absurd... close to saying that your going to come into my house and live...pay me FAR little money then its worth...eat my food and throw a party that gets the cops called on me...then saying "you cannot kick me out" does that make ANY sence?? and if you were an administrator, you would know how easy it is to find out who is getting attacked. as to how do you know if your getting attacked...i have the systems setup to page me on attack....how else would i know? ohhhh...the fact that my whole network is down because a dialup ran off at the mouth im sorry to see that your comments are so short sighted meep meep
That is an excellent viewpoint on the way it works. I am no quite as nice as that, being i cancle accounts without a second thought, but the same point gets accross. as ISP's we have to make money...its how we live. I will not allow and kiddie that decided to run off the mouth put hundreds of other clients in risk.
i think not As an admin...i am not going to restructure the network because a dialup user who pays 10 bux a month decided to shoot off his mouth....that is totally retarded. did you think before making that post? did you think that the admin would have to change alot of crap...taking far more time then it is worth simply to make a dialup happy? some isps may have that kinda dedication, but they must be very large....cause the isp i admin is not going to change how it works over a dialup..that is just dumb business
after reading many of the posts about this subject...i decided to add my 1 cent. I am a senior networking administrator for a small ISP in maryland, and i have a very close relationship to this subject. a user of our service went into an irc channel and provoked people....i do not know what excatly he did...but he ended up attracting attention of packet kiddies. at 2 am i got a page and ran into work to see our bandwith was just about gone, and when i looked into it, it was indeed an attack. i di much the same thing as the isp in the subject...simply checked who was dialed into the modem pool and useing that ip. i then kicked him offline and changed the passwd on his account. Why you may ask? its immoral....wrong....blah blah blah. As an isp....we excist to provide services, and people that cause unwanted attacks are not welcome to our services. many of you thought that killing a users account is illegal, and that may be true to a small number of isps....but not mine. removing the user was the best course of action for me and the company. Had that been in the middle of the day...and lasted over 1 hour, clients might have left...important clients..not dialups. im sorry if this comes off as rude to poeple, but thats how the world works. i see way to many kids that cry out that this is foul play...and wrong..but in fact..its no different then anything else that makes the world go round...just because you pay, that does not mean you WILL be givin service. if you are not a wanted customer, you will not be one. then again....there are boatloads of isps out there with more bandwith....better rules...and better customer guidelines. please look into them, cause if you cause trouble on my isp, that would be taken care of quickly.:D
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i really do not know why linux pups decide to use black people in thier posts, but allow me to help in it. if i had a mob of 50 people come to my house for a person i let stay in a room, they gave me a choice. "gimmi the person or ill burn yer house" i would just about throw that person out. it would not matter if it is black white..jew or baptist. I will not take heat for someone else. all of you 15 year old kids that have excatly 0% exp in life can cry about how evil or mean i am...but thats life...but then again...you like linux after all /me shrugs meep meep
again....a response with ideals that are just not realistic. I would really like you to work as the senior admin at a small isp...deal with attacks every other day....then tell me your fantasy dream where police actully do something about attacks, until then...please do not input information on a topic you really have absolutly no experience on...it detracks from people that know how it works. meep meep
actully...no...none of that would happen there is no way a court will even take a charge for looking out for itself. dialups are month to month, and have no such rules protecting them from being cancelled. remember, "we reserve the right to cancel accounts whenever we deem it" that is in our service agreement :) again...if users have a problem with it...goto someone else
sigh, another excellent post. I am really amazed at alllll the people that think up allllll these ways to solve the problem, yet not a single one has a clue how isps work. or what a budget is. or how much upstream small isps have to begin with. I cannot really blame them tho, they are simply iggnorant as to how the world works.
after reading all that you had to say about the topic...i am more then happy to give a responce. you appear to be one of the people in the world that has 1001 ideas HOW to make it a better place, yet you never seem to do anything about it. instead of critizing people for looking out for themselves first, you tell them they are bad for it. that is simply a load of crap. I would recommend that you get a job as a admin for an isp...and deal with attacks on a dialy basis, then try and speak on the subject. and about your reference to the "black person living in my house". If I allow a person to come into my house...ANY person, and they have ANY sort of problem, yes i would blame the attackers. but since im not going to rush out and shoot the 50 people wanting to lynch that person...i will give them the person. I, nor any of my houseguests, are going to suffer because of one person. no matter the cause. and please....0.00001% of attacks are random...95% are people shooting thier mouths off to people when they should not be doing so. then you said: Hold on here. You presume too much. How do you know that a dialup is being attacked? Remember, it's nearly impossible to reliably track a dialup user across connections unless you have a copy of the logs and account information used to log in (and if someone outside the ISP has a copy of those, then DoS attacks should be the least of your worries). Im sorry, but it is QUITE easy to track a user that is being attacked on my network. i have many toolos that will tell me the incoming traffic and where it is directed, after i know what ip, i simply check to see what user is currently using that ip. then i have plenty of options. but i think you know what i am gonna do at that point. there is little that i can do about the people that are attacking the client. DoS attacks are NOT that easy to deal with and it is not simply a matter of calling the cops to get the person picked up it is FAR easier for me to simply kick off the user that is getting attacked....that, and it will end the attack. in my eyes...ending the attack is all that matters and only selfish people that have little to no exp. in business affairs would be dumb enuff to let the business go under to save a little dialup, a dialup that makes very little for the company in the first place and its "meep meep" :P
this has to be the most shortsighted comment i have seen yet. Your saying as an isp, if your getting an attack...i should have no right to choose that you are bad for my business or have the right to remove you from the systems that other clients you are damaging. that is absurd... close to saying that your going to come into my house and live...pay me FAR little money then its worth...eat my food and throw a party that gets the cops called on me...then saying "you cannot kick me out" does that make ANY sence?? and if you were an administrator, you would know how easy it is to find out who is getting attacked. as to how do you know if your getting attacked...i have the systems setup to page me on attack....how else would i know? ohhhh...the fact that my whole network is down because a dialup ran off at the mouth im sorry to see that your comments are so short sighted meep meep
That is an excellent viewpoint on the way it works. I am no quite as nice as that, being i cancle accounts without a second thought, but the same point gets accross. as ISP's we have to make money...its how we live. I will not allow and kiddie that decided to run off the mouth put hundreds of other clients in risk.
i think not As an admin...i am not going to restructure the network because a dialup user who pays 10 bux a month decided to shoot off his mouth....that is totally retarded. did you think before making that post? did you think that the admin would have to change alot of crap...taking far more time then it is worth simply to make a dialup happy? some isps may have that kinda dedication, but they must be very large....cause the isp i admin is not going to change how it works over a dialup..that is just dumb business
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after reading many of the posts about this subject...i decided to add my 1 cent. I am a senior networking administrator for a small ISP in maryland, and i have a very close relationship to this subject. a user of our service went into an irc channel and provoked people....i do not know what excatly he did...but he ended up attracting attention of packet kiddies. at 2 am i got a page and ran into work to see our bandwith was just about gone, and when i looked into it, it was indeed an attack. i di much the same thing as the isp in the subject...simply checked who was dialed into the modem pool and useing that ip. i then kicked him offline and changed the passwd on his account. Why you may ask? its immoral....wrong....blah blah blah. As an isp....we excist to provide services, and people that cause unwanted attacks are not welcome to our services. many of you thought that killing a users account is illegal, and that may be true to a small number of isps....but not mine. removing the user was the best course of action for me and the company. Had that been in the middle of the day...and lasted over 1 hour, clients might have left...important clients..not dialups. im sorry if this comes off as rude to poeple, but thats how the world works. i see way to many kids that cry out that this is foul play...and wrong..but in fact..its no different then anything else that makes the world go round...just because you pay, that does not mean you WILL be givin service. if you are not a wanted customer, you will not be one. then again....there are boatloads of isps out there with more bandwith....better rules...and better customer guidelines. please look into them, cause if you cause trouble on my isp, that would be taken care of quickly. :D