Semi elaboratED, as in not enunciated. I mean look at this, we have people killing themselves because they may have harmlessly banged genitalia off of other willing adults. Enough is enough.
Okay well again that's one perspective. The point I'm making is that I see no reason why we should attach special emotional value to sex in this age of contraceptives. I mean I can be friends with whoever but stick a dick into the mix and suddenly there's this whole cultural framework that swings into action, expectations and semi-elaborated rituals.
Oh wow are you seriously trying to hold up Stross as a competent writer? I read a short story online apparently written by him, "A Colder War", it was and remains one of my favourite mythos works. On the strength of that I went out and bought a few of his books. They were terrible, barely even "struggling writer" territory. He tried to write a geeky Bond but it really didn't come off very well at all. I've no idea how those books could have come from the same pen as that short story. I felt bad for him after reading them.
Anyway back on topic, you're fooling noboby. Numbers voting increased, doubled in fact ~3000 from last year and about ~2500 votes acted exactly as Scalzi directed. Maybe you can believe in coincidences that large but for me it strains credulity rather beyond the pale.
Maybe so, but if that's the case then we may as well throw out phone surveys as a valid method of research entirely, and I don't think anyone's suggesting that.
Certain individuals seem to be trying to make out there wasn't a concerted effort by the SJW brigade to spoil the votes, while numbers voting increased ~3000 from last year and about ~2500 votes acted exactly as Scalzi directed. That would be my point.
And of course in doing so they proved everything the puppies were trying to say. I would have paid to watch the joyous grins of glee on Stross' and Scalzi's faces wither away when they realised this. Hot denials and damage control all round.
Cheating is a lot more common than many realise. Maybe it's about time to open up the conversation on why we find one physical activity with another person to be taboo, but not another (like say tennis).
In a 1991 study, sex researcher Shere Hite found that 70 percent of married women have cheated on their partners; a 1993 follow-up study found that 72 percent of married men have as well. According to a 2004 University of Chicago study, 25 percent of married men have had at least one extramarital affair.
Yeah I could row in behind this. We need governments in particular but also corporations to enshrine peoples' right to privacy in hard legislation. The net is turning into a sick dystopian version of its original golden promise.
SJWs like Stross thought they had the slate situation well under control. When that turned out not to be the case, they took it to the next level. Although it is an education in the true nature of reactionary activity as exemplified by the SJWs.
""religious illumination," says Benjamin, must be shown to "reside in a profane illumination, a materialistic, anthropological inspiration, to which hashish, opium, or whatever else can give an introductory lesson." At the same time, new cultural forms must be found to increase the alienation of the population, in order for it to understand how truly alienated it is to live without socialism. "Do not build on the good old days, but on the bad new ones," said Benjamin.
The proper direction in painting, therefore, is that taken by the late Van Gogh, who began to paint objects in disintegration, with the equivalent of a hashish-smoker's eye that "loosens and entices things out of their familiar world." In music, "it is not suggested that one can compose better today" than Mozart or Beethoven, said Adorno, but one must compose atonally, for atonalism is sick, and "the sickness, dialectically, is at the same time the cure....The extraordinarily violent reaction protest which such music confronts in the present society... appears nonetheless to suggest that the dialectical function of this music can already be felt... negatively, as 'destruction.' "
The purpose of modern art, literature, and music must be to destroy the uplifting—therefore, bourgeois — potential of art, literature, and music, so that man, bereft of his connection to the divine, sees his only creative option to be political revolt. "To organize pessimism means nothing other than to expel the moral metaphor from politics and to discover in political action a sphere reserved one hundred percent for images." Thus, Benjamin collaborated with Brecht to work these theories into practical form, and their joint effort culminated in the Verfremdungseffekt ("estrangement effect"), Brecht's attempt to write his plays so as to make the audience leave the theatre demoralized and aimlessly angry."
Basically the long and the short of it was these these people were and apparently are trying to infect the arts and entertainment in order to get everyone bummed out enough to turn to communist revolution, by salting the depression with political statements. I'm not sure how bummed out you'd have to be to go that far but that didn't stop them trying. I mean why do you think that modern art is, sometimes literally, such a pile of shit?
Now just for clarity I don't agree with everything in that article, in particular his connecting art with religion - there may be a connection but it's far from as pervasive as he seems to think, however what I'm seeing happening in the arts and entertainment industries these days does appear to match the claims he's making.
Ah well I don't read Vox Day, he's a spurious little prick that does more harm than good to the puppies by a long stretch in my opinion. Not all PR is good PR.
As the AC pointed out you lobotomite, GG wasn't even around at the time. Oh and she never in fact delivered those videos after all, two years overdue and still counting. But never let the facts get in the way of the lies you in particular are notorious for propagating.
That's a nice rant but has zero to do with what I actually said, while we're on the topic of those with the loudest opinions.
The puppies aren't complaining about feminist SF, whatever that is, they're complaining that stories which aren't pushing the "correct" social narrative are being deliberately forced out. In fact I can't recall ever reading the term "feminist SF" before, not that it doesn't exist somewhere I'm sure.
Actually re-reading your rant I think you may have meant to respond to someone else entirely.
Of course, any group willing and able to rig such as vote certainly has little winged monkeys floating around here as well, so I'm not deluding myself that I'm arguing with you. You're just an education for the rest of the class.
Good thing most of us can read better than you, then. Although congratulations on your appointment as spokesperson for most of us, I wasn't even aware there was an election.
The emperor has no clothes and the imaginary saviours of humanity are being forced to take a long hard look in the mirror - and it's not a pretty sight - it's a fine start to the week.:D
It's utterly pathetic student political shit that has escaped into an area where politics was previously not a huge deal.
A superb description of SJWs sir/ma'am/xir, my hat's off to you.
To feel threatened by such a tiny niche as feminist SF is as pathetic as getting upset at women riding bicycles. If they don't like it they can look the other way.
Oddly enough I think you're the first person to mention feminist SF in this entire affair. Good strawman though keep whacking it.
It's not as though it's hard to follow the links in the story to their original source now is it. Although thanks for pointing that out as the original source is considerably more damning and I shall save it for future reference. http://www.campusreform.org/?I...
Last fall, 15 colleges and universities offered college credit to students who “write feminist thinking” into Wikipedia articles about technology.
If Sarkeesian can get almost seven thousand people to donate almost $160,000 to help her create a series of videos I'm not even sure she finished, then yes it's definetely within the realms of possibility.
I don't think you get what I'm saying - it's a lot easier to rig a small vote than a large one, purely because you don't need to get as many people on board. Look here's a noted and very vocal SJW Charles Stross crowing about the "victory", although himself and Scalzi fail to realise they're just making the point for the Sad Puppies. When he speaks of "fans" here he's talking about his own clique who did exactly as instructed, as demonstrated above.
This is also, apparently, a huge increase over the last number of people who voted in the Hugos (65% more than last time?) suggesting a significant groundwell.
...or a significant mustering of the troops. If you look at the breakdown of the numbers there an interesting picture emerges. I've also linked to Scalzi telling his minions to vote No Award after their preferences elsewhere on this page, it wouldn't be difficult to organise a couple of thousand people at all.
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Semi elaboratED, as in not enunciated. I mean look at this, we have people killing themselves because they may have harmlessly banged genitalia off of other willing adults. Enough is enough.
Still waiting to hear why that has anything whatsoever to do with monogamy in the age of the condom.
Okay well again that's one perspective. The point I'm making is that I see no reason why we should attach special emotional value to sex in this age of contraceptives. I mean I can be friends with whoever but stick a dick into the mix and suddenly there's this whole cultural framework that swings into action, expectations and semi-elaborated rituals.
Maybe we all need to grow up and act like adults.
Oh wow are you seriously trying to hold up Stross as a competent writer? I read a short story online apparently written by him, "A Colder War", it was and remains one of my favourite mythos works. On the strength of that I went out and bought a few of his books. They were terrible, barely even "struggling writer" territory. He tried to write a geeky Bond but it really didn't come off very well at all. I've no idea how those books could have come from the same pen as that short story. I felt bad for him after reading them.
Anyway back on topic, you're fooling noboby. Numbers voting increased, doubled in fact ~3000 from last year and about ~2500 votes acted exactly as Scalzi directed. Maybe you can believe in coincidences that large but for me it strains credulity rather beyond the pale.
Maybe so, but if that's the case then we may as well throw out phone surveys as a valid method of research entirely, and I don't think anyone's suggesting that.
Certain individuals seem to be trying to make out there wasn't a concerted effort by the SJW brigade to spoil the votes, while numbers voting increased ~3000 from last year and about ~2500 votes acted exactly as Scalzi directed. That would be my point.
And of course in doing so they proved everything the puppies were trying to say. I would have paid to watch the joyous grins of glee on Stross' and Scalzi's faces wither away when they realised this. Hot denials and damage control all round.
Cheating is a lot more common than many realise. Maybe it's about time to open up the conversation on why we find one physical activity with another person to be taboo, but not another (like say tennis).
In a 1991 study, sex researcher Shere Hite found that 70 percent of married women have cheated on their partners; a 1993 follow-up study found that 72 percent of married men have as well. According to a 2004 University of Chicago study, 25 percent of married men have had at least one extramarital affair.
Yeah I could row in behind this. We need governments in particular but also corporations to enshrine peoples' right to privacy in hard legislation. The net is turning into a sick dystopian version of its original golden promise.
I'm fairly sure the sad puppies started all this then Vox showed up and kicked off his own version.
SJWs like Stross thought they had the slate situation well under control. When that turned out not to be the case, they took it to the next level. Although it is an education in the true nature of reactionary activity as exemplified by the SJWs.
Maybe the FBI were just reading too many actual Marxist manuals?
""religious illumination," says Benjamin, must be shown to "reside in a profane illumination, a materialistic, anthropological inspiration, to which hashish, opium, or whatever else can give an introductory lesson." At the same time, new cultural forms must be found to increase the alienation of the population, in order for it to understand how truly alienated it is to live without socialism. "Do not build on the good old days, but on the bad new ones," said Benjamin.
The proper direction in painting, therefore, is that taken by the late Van Gogh, who began to paint objects in disintegration, with the equivalent of a hashish-smoker's eye that "loosens and entices things out of their familiar world." In music, "it is not suggested that one can compose better today" than Mozart or Beethoven, said Adorno, but one must compose atonally, for atonalism is sick, and "the sickness, dialectically, is at the same time the cure....The extraordinarily violent reaction protest which such music confronts in the present society ... appears nonetheless to suggest that the dialectical function of this music can already be felt ... negatively, as 'destruction.' "
The purpose of modern art, literature, and music must be to destroy the uplifting—therefore, bourgeois — potential of art, literature, and music, so that man, bereft of his connection to the divine, sees his only creative option to be political revolt. "To organize pessimism means nothing other than to expel the moral metaphor from politics and to discover in political action a sphere reserved one hundred percent for images." Thus, Benjamin collaborated with Brecht to work these theories into practical form, and their joint effort culminated in the Verfremdungseffekt ("estrangement effect"), Brecht's attempt to write his plays so as to make the audience leave the theatre demoralized and aimlessly angry."
Basically the long and the short of it was these these people were and apparently are trying to infect the arts and entertainment in order to get everyone bummed out enough to turn to communist revolution, by salting the depression with political statements. I'm not sure how bummed out you'd have to be to go that far but that didn't stop them trying. I mean why do you think that modern art is, sometimes literally, such a pile of shit?
Now just for clarity I don't agree with everything in that article, in particular his connecting art with religion - there may be a connection but it's far from as pervasive as he seems to think, however what I'm seeing happening in the arts and entertainment industries these days does appear to match the claims he's making.
Ah well I don't read Vox Day, he's a spurious little prick that does more harm than good to the puppies by a long stretch in my opinion. Not all PR is good PR.
As the AC pointed out you lobotomite, GG wasn't even around at the time. Oh and she never in fact delivered those videos after all, two years overdue and still counting. But never let the facts get in the way of the lies you in particular are notorious for propagating.
That's a nice rant but has zero to do with what I actually said, while we're on the topic of those with the loudest opinions.
The puppies aren't complaining about feminist SF, whatever that is, they're complaining that stories which aren't pushing the "correct" social narrative are being deliberately forced out. In fact I can't recall ever reading the term "feminist SF" before, not that it doesn't exist somewhere I'm sure.
Actually re-reading your rant I think you may have meant to respond to someone else entirely.
Of course, any group willing and able to rig such as vote certainly has little winged monkeys floating around here as well, so I'm not deluding myself that I'm arguing with you. You're just an education for the rest of the class.
Good thing most of us can read better than you, then. Although congratulations on your appointment as spokesperson for most of us, I wasn't even aware there was an election.
The emperor has no clothes and the imaginary saviours of humanity are being forced to take a long hard look in the mirror - and it's not a pretty sight - it's a fine start to the week. :D
It's utterly pathetic student political shit that has escaped into an area where politics was previously not a huge deal.
A superb description of SJWs sir/ma'am/xir, my hat's off to you.
To feel threatened by such a tiny niche as feminist SF is as pathetic as getting upset at women riding bicycles. If they don't like it they can look the other way.
Oddly enough I think you're the first person to mention feminist SF in this entire affair. Good strawman though keep whacking it.
It's not as though it's hard to follow the links in the story to their original source now is it. Although thanks for pointing that out as the original source is considerably more damning and I shall save it for future reference. http://www.campusreform.org/?I...
Last fall, 15 colleges and universities offered college credit to students who “write feminist thinking” into Wikipedia articles about technology.
Lovely.
His instructions were pretty clear, and I quote:
"HUGO FOR BEST USE OF YOGURT
1. Deserving nominee #1
2. Deserving nominee #2
3. NO AWARD"
And that's exactly what happened. Coincidence? You decide.
If Sarkeesian can get almost seven thousand people to donate almost $160,000 to help her create a series of videos I'm not even sure she finished, then yes it's definetely within the realms of possibility.
I don't think you get what I'm saying - it's a lot easier to rig a small vote than a large one, purely because you don't need to get as many people on board. Look here's a noted and very vocal SJW Charles Stross crowing about the "victory", although himself and Scalzi fail to realise they're just making the point for the Sad Puppies. When he speaks of "fans" here he's talking about his own clique who did exactly as instructed, as demonstrated above.
And yet again I ask, if that is the case, why did things turn out exactly as Scalzi had planned?
Maybe he's just really, really in touch with the average sci-fi reader?
I have no idea why this is so hard to understand or why so many people feel the need to invoke "SJWs" to explain the outcome.
Maybe because what Scalzi was trying to get organised turned out to be exactly what happened?
This is also, apparently, a huge increase over the last number of people who voted in the Hugos (65% more than last time?) suggesting a significant groundwell.
...or a significant mustering of the troops. If you look at the breakdown of the numbers there an interesting picture emerges. I've also linked to Scalzi telling his minions to vote No Award after their preferences elsewhere on this page, it wouldn't be difficult to organise a couple of thousand people at all.
Less than six thousand people actually voted and this makes for interesting reading: http://whatever.scalzi.com/201...