I am thinking this might be a PHB toy to run Office on the go. Probably purchased by conservative IT departments for staff whining about getting tablets.
Not for a price increase that much. My hunch is people in the past bought newer cars more often and had to dump their used ones. Worse, the banks handed out loans like candy and offered home owners free cars if they refinanced and put the car as part of the 30 year loan so why not get that SUV that costs as much as your salary for one year!
When shit hit hte fan people held on to their cars and when they only absolutely needed to bought a new car, but a rather newer used car than a (true) new car which spiked demand.
Either used cars are over appreciated right now or perhaps they were undervalued in the good years? Sorry But I sold my 06 elantra in Alaska 2 years ago for 6,500. I will be damned to pay $11k for the same car now! Something doesn't add up for a car that is 6 years old with 70k miles to only depreciate 20% in that time frame?
Try $11k mininium in my area in Florida! I want an 06 Elantra and I used to own one. It is maddening as a new accent is just $2k more and a new Elantra is $16k which is a much much better deal in the life of the car to spend $5k more.
If the priced of used cars will ever go down when the economy recovers it will return to normal. I know a lady who bought a POS car for $1,4k, got into an accident and put 40k more miles and is missing a seat and sold it for $2,400 and made $1000 profit?!
Used cars are appreciating in value due to the recession in my area. So yes in my case this car for $4,500 might not be the best but it sure as hell beats what these leeches are trying to sell me.
Here is my situation. The price of used cars has gone up 200% in my area thanks to the recession. I am in Florida. I can not find any car for about 5k that is not 9 years old, missing a seat, muffler dragging etc. I mean some of these cars people bought for 1k 4 years ago and are now selling them for 4k!
It is like Gold here as people have lost their jobs and can't afford new cars. So I want a decent used car, 75k miles, no accidents, paint still on it, etc. No dealer will even talk to me unless I agree to go for $12,000!! Are you f*cking kidding me.
For $14,500 I can get a new car so what the hell?! I am in a highly inflated area and I owe too much money in student loans to buy a new car. Something like this piece of crap car will run for 4 years until I pay off more of my loans where I can get financed for a better.
At this point I am ready to fly to Georgia or South Carolina to buy a shitty used car just to save $3,000 from the leeches. That is insane.
Safety regulations such as bars in the doors saved many lives. These are entry level and misses the point.
Just like people used to bash tablets for not having large screens like their laptops missed the point. The point is they are cheap and you can stick them in a purse or bag just like a netbook.
By law they need to include them and in the future when gas runs out these engines will be the new norm for everyone.
You can get a loan. For $4,250 you get a brand new car and in a 5 year loan it is not too bad. Sure it probably wont last as long as your jeep but it does have great gas milliage. I have been burned by used cars before. This would be great for highschoolers and college kids too. Just something simple.
So for $4,000 you have two choices. A brand new tiny car like this that is cheap but 0 miles? Or a car with $100k+ miles on it that is higher quality but needs a new timing belt, battery, shocks, etc and the usual stuff immediately done or in the next year or two.
For a computer analogy it is like bashing the IPAD as it is not good as powerMac Xenon workstation.:-0
If you hate tiny cheap cars do not buy them. My point is if you are poor a $4,500 car brand new is a great deal! Compared to a car with 100k miles on it. If you are not broke then this would not appeal to you.
You hit the nail there. The fact is an average entry level automobile has luxury car features just 2 decades agol. Power sterring, airbags, remote lock, alarm, and power Windows were only available for BMWs and Cadillacs etc. Now even the crappy Ford Fiesta has all of the above.
Americans just spend too much money on cars as the prices keep going up. The average ok car is like $23,000 (Civic, camry, Focus). The problem is the average median wage is only $28,800! (I said median and not average which doesn't include billionaires).
This means people spend a whole years of their salary on a car just to get to work! It is even worse in the south where people buy $46,000 trucks and SUVs yet make only $13 an hour and wonder why they live paycheck to paycheck??
Anyway this car is great for college students and poor folks or those who are sensible and do not want to see half their paycheck just go to get to work in order to look cool to their neighbors.
Poor people could use a new car. Too many who are making $17,000 a year working 2 jobs end up with cars that cost 50% of their paycheck just in maintaince and have to go hungry half the time if something goes wrong.
There are many walmart workers where this would be perfect and are not fortunate like the poor in Europe or other first world countries.
All the posts here show Iran as the innocent victim and anyone saying Iran has bad intentions to be paranoid delusions made up by wacko neocons out of touch with reality.... the parent can also add assassinating the ambassadors of Saudi Arabia the US to the list which are technically acts of war. Iran is a very dangerous nation with arms and tentacles everywhere through puppet governments in Lebanon, Syria, and Hezbollah. I could see Iran using them easily to start WWW3 in the middle east and with nuclear weapons would threaten everyone over there.
Talk to any intelligence officer? I think you understand why the US and Europe do not want an armed nuclear Iran. The slashdotters here such as yourself are truly ignorant and do not know what you are talking about.
Where do you think Assad is getting his weapons from? Russia and Iran. Case closed.
The US is not jumping into WW3. Iran is going to attack the US even if Israel does the bombing. Iran has already been creating acts of war by killing our troops in Iraq and an assassination attempt on our ambassador and will pretty much do all of these things mentioned above.
The next move would be for the whole middle east to have a new cold war and stock pile on nuclear weapons so in case the next war happens in the middle east it will be a holocaust.
How in the fuck would you know? You obviously are easily swayed by US and Israel propaganda. Iran isn't suicidal. They have no intention of attacking any country, last of which would be Israel (with it's 200+ nuclear bombs) and/or the US (with thousands of nuclear bombs). Poor, poor US and Israel. A little country like Iran has their panties all in an uproar. The US wants the oil, and Israel wants to keep the land which was stolen for them in 1947-48.
Right here. FYI technically that is an act of war.
Which is why they shouldn't have a nuclear bomb. The fact is they control Syria and Lebanon and even have an army of Hezbollah and the people in these countries suffer.
The trolls are out in force tonight and modding anyone who disagrees with them down faster than you can say goatse. A nuclear Hezbollah bombing Israel, nuclear Syria bombing its civilians and Iran nuclear bombing Saudi citizens rather than trying to gun down their ambassador in DC could be a very frightening situation than anyone imagined.
The difference is Israel is not actively seeking them to blow up another country. Iran has established puppet governments in Syria and Lebanon and even a rogue terrorist army that operates in Lebanon that targets civilians. This is why the Saudi's hate them and so do the Sunnus living in both those countries under the Shi ite minority.
Iran is not trying to survive as other countries do not have an interest in wiping them off the map. There is no evidence the US is planning war on Iran. Iran is trying to declare war on us and even Iran admitted it would attack us ships for no apparent reason even if only Israel is attacking.
They also plan to punish other Arab countries too for no apparent reason by blocking off the strait.
Iran is not the kid crying bully. They are inciting and dominating an entire region and would love to nook the arabs and jews next. The end result is those other countries will get nukes too and eventually go into nuclear war with each other.
For one the US is not assassinating ambassadors, has a hate to country X day, nor does it intend to wipe a country off a map, nor create pseudo terrorist armies who have no allegiance to the country their are in. Just there to attack a neighboring one and control a government against the will of its own people.
Iran tried to both assassinate our own as well as a Saudi Prime Minister. They are developing a weapon to use to blow up Israel and possible use agaisnt the Saudis as well.
I have never seen such a detailed post before in my years of reading slashdot. Kids want to learn in general and yes you always have a few bad apples. However, once expectations are set things in general are good.
You brought up kids who only want to be there. Here is the problem. They are not old enough at the middle school level to know if wanting to learn is the right thing they want to do yet. Their brains are not developed yet to understand consequences and long term decisions. In essense, I make it for them. By law they must go to school PERIOD. By highschool if they want to drop out and flip burgers then that is up to them.
You are supposed to motivate them to learn. However, there is only so much I can do in a very limited time frame where I must move fast and on to the next subject to meet state standard tests; They want to act like kids and be loud and listen to music. Unfortunately, there is not enough time for that if I am to finish everything so I must have their minds set at all times before even the bell rings with warmups.
Sadly, I view life this way as well. Your employer always wants more for less and will fire you at the drop of a hat if he or she could find someone else who will! That is life and something I try to instill in these kids. I let them know the real world you will be fired if you are 3 minutes late for work 3 times or if you call in more than once a month sick. When the economy hits a recession who will be first to be shown the door? The person who is never sick or you who is tardy for class more than once aweek?
When I worked at a call center I would have a supervisor show up at my desk within 5 seconds if I wanted 5 seconds of downtime between calls freaking out! THey wanted me to work like a machine for hours straight. I am frankly just preparing kids for this. In CHina kids go to school 12 hours a day! They get like a 2 hour break after 3 but go back and finish from dawn to dusk as their parents also work 12 to 13 hour days. Kids in schools here have it easy.
School is about rules and much of it is to prepare them to be at work on time, work fast, be engaged with their mind on the task at hand (not weekend), etc. It is part of training them to be responsible adults. Americans lack these qualities compared to other countries which is one of the reasons outsources go to other countries and it is not just reduced labor costs. It is the fact that Indians are happy programming all day and then staying an 5 extra hours until 11pm their time for meetings iwth the US. H1B1 visa holders stay late too so they can have meetings with their Indian counter parts until the late morning hours. In China they are happy to not only work 6 days a week but be on call and sleep in the factory. If Americans had this attitude the demand to be replaced by robots wouldn't be so high.
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I am thinking this might be a PHB toy to run Office on the go. Probably purchased by conservative IT departments for staff whining about getting tablets.
You forget his boss Peter Sniffer and his girlfriend Sharron Dick.
Please do not say squirt and brown together. Just wrong ...
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What is there not to love?
Not for a price increase that much. My hunch is people in the past bought newer cars more often and had to dump their used ones. Worse, the banks handed out loans like candy and offered home owners free cars if they refinanced and put the car as part of the 30 year loan so why not get that SUV that costs as much as your salary for one year!
When shit hit hte fan people held on to their cars and when they only absolutely needed to bought a new car, but a rather newer used car than a (true) new car which spiked demand.
Either used cars are over appreciated right now or perhaps they were undervalued in the good years? Sorry But I sold my 06 elantra in Alaska 2 years ago for 6,500. I will be damned to pay $11k for the same car now! Something doesn't add up for a car that is 6 years old with 70k miles to only depreciate 20% in that time frame?
Try $11k mininium in my area in Florida! I want an 06 Elantra and I used to own one. It is maddening as a new accent is just $2k more and a new Elantra is $16k which is a much much better deal in the life of the car to spend $5k more.
If the priced of used cars will ever go down when the economy recovers it will return to normal. I know a lady who bought a POS car for $1,4k, got into an accident and put 40k more miles and is missing a seat and sold it for $2,400 and made $1000 profit?!
Used cars are appreciating in value due to the recession in my area. So yes in my case this car for $4,500 might not be the best but it sure as hell beats what these leeches are trying to sell me.
I am not a shill.
Here is my situation. The price of used cars has gone up 200% in my area thanks to the recession. I am in Florida. I can not find any car for about 5k that is not 9 years old, missing a seat, muffler dragging etc. I mean some of these cars people bought for 1k 4 years ago and are now selling them for 4k!
It is like Gold here as people have lost their jobs and can't afford new cars. So I want a decent used car, 75k miles, no accidents, paint still on it, etc. No dealer will even talk to me unless I agree to go for $12,000!! Are you f*cking kidding me.
For $14,500 I can get a new car so what the hell?! I am in a highly inflated area and I owe too much money in student loans to buy a new car. Something like this piece of crap car will run for 4 years until I pay off more of my loans where I can get financed for a better.
At this point I am ready to fly to Georgia or South Carolina to buy a shitty used car just to save $3,000 from the leeches. That is insane.
Safety regulations such as bars in the doors saved many lives. These are entry level and misses the point.
Just like people used to bash tablets for not having large screens like their laptops missed the point. The point is they are cheap and you can stick them in a purse or bag just like a netbook.
By law they need to include them and in the future when gas runs out these engines will be the new norm for everyone.
You can get a loan. For $4,250 you get a brand new car and in a 5 year loan it is not too bad. Sure it probably wont last as long as your jeep but it does have great gas milliage. I have been burned by used cars before. This would be great for highschoolers and college kids too. Just something simple.
Look at the price?
So for $4,000 you have two choices. A brand new tiny car like this that is cheap but 0 miles? Or a car with $100k+ miles on it that is higher quality but needs a new timing belt, battery, shocks, etc and the usual stuff immediately done or in the next year or two.
For a computer analogy it is like bashing the IPAD as it is not good as powerMac Xenon workstation. :-0
Why was I modded down?
If you hate tiny cheap cars do not buy them. My point is if you are poor a $4,500 car brand new is a great deal! Compared to a car with 100k miles on it. If you are not broke then this would not appeal to you.
Except a decent equiped Hyundai Accent costs $16000! I was just looking at a few last weekend. Too expensive if you ask me for so little car.
This would cost 1/4th the price
You hit the nail there. The fact is an average entry level automobile has luxury car features just 2 decades agol. Power sterring, airbags, remote lock, alarm, and power Windows were only available for BMWs and Cadillacs etc. Now even the crappy Ford Fiesta has all of the above.
Americans just spend too much money on cars as the prices keep going up. The average ok car is like $23,000 (Civic, camry, Focus). The problem is the average median wage is only $28,800! (I said median and not average which doesn't include billionaires).
This means people spend a whole years of their salary on a car just to get to work! It is even worse in the south where people buy $46,000 trucks and SUVs yet make only $13 an hour and wonder why they live paycheck to paycheck??
Anyway this car is great for college students and poor folks or those who are sensible and do not want to see half their paycheck just go to get to work in order to look cool to their neighbors.
Poor people could use a new car. Too many who are making $17,000 a year working 2 jobs end up with cars that cost 50% of their paycheck just in maintaince and have to go hungry half the time if something goes wrong.
There are many walmart workers where this would be perfect and are not fortunate like the poor in Europe or other first world countries.
All the posts here show Iran as the innocent victim and anyone saying Iran has bad intentions to be paranoid delusions made up by wacko neocons out of touch with reality. ... the parent can also add assassinating the ambassadors of Saudi Arabia the US to the list which are technically acts of war. Iran is a very dangerous nation with arms and tentacles everywhere through puppet governments in Lebanon, Syria, and Hezbollah. I could see Iran using them easily to start WWW3 in the middle east and with nuclear weapons would threaten everyone over there.
Talk to any intelligence officer? I think you understand why the US and Europe do not want an armed nuclear Iran. The slashdotters here such as yourself are truly ignorant and do not know what you are talking about.
Where do you think Assad is getting his weapons from? Russia and Iran. Case closed.
The US is not jumping into WW3. Iran is going to attack the US even if Israel does the bombing. Iran has already been creating acts of war by killing our troops in Iraq and an assassination attempt on our ambassador and will pretty much do all of these things mentioned above.
The next move would be for the whole middle east to have a new cold war and stock pile on nuclear weapons so in case the next war happens in the middle east it will be a holocaust.
How in the fuck would you know? You obviously are easily swayed by US and Israel propaganda. Iran isn't suicidal. They have no intention of attacking any country, last of which would be Israel (with it's 200+ nuclear bombs) and/or the US (with thousands of nuclear bombs). Poor, poor US and Israel. A little country like Iran has their panties all in an uproar. The US wants the oil, and Israel wants to keep the land which was stolen for them in 1947-48.
Right here. FYI technically that is an act of war.
Which is why they shouldn't have a nuclear bomb. The fact is they control Syria and Lebanon and even have an army of Hezbollah and the people in these countries suffer.
The trolls are out in force tonight and modding anyone who disagrees with them down faster than you can say goatse. A nuclear Hezbollah bombing Israel, nuclear Syria bombing its civilians and Iran nuclear bombing Saudi citizens rather than trying to gun down their ambassador in DC could be a very frightening situation than anyone imagined.
The difference is Israel is not actively seeking them to blow up another country. Iran has established puppet governments in Syria and Lebanon and even a rogue terrorist army that operates in Lebanon that targets civilians. This is why the Saudi's hate them and so do the Sunnus living in both those countries under the Shi ite minority.
Iran is not trying to survive as other countries do not have an interest in wiping them off the map. There is no evidence the US is planning war on Iran. Iran is trying to declare war on us and even Iran admitted it would attack us ships for no apparent reason even if only Israel is attacking.
They also plan to punish other Arab countries too for no apparent reason by blocking off the strait.
Iran is not the kid crying bully. They are inciting and dominating an entire region and would love to nook the arabs and jews next. The end result is those other countries will get nukes too and eventually go into nuclear war with each other.
For one the US is not assassinating ambassadors, has a hate to country X day, nor does it intend to wipe a country off a map, nor create pseudo terrorist armies who have no allegiance to the country their are in. Just there to attack a neighboring one and control a government against the will of its own people.
Iran tried to both assassinate our own as well as a Saudi Prime Minister. They are developing a weapon to use to blow up Israel and possible use agaisnt the Saudis as well.
Iran is not some poor old victim crying uncle.
How did we sabotage their infrastructure?
Mod up!
In no way did the US or Israel try to damage Iranian infrastructure. All they were doing was trying to slow down Iran's nuclear weapons program.
Iran attacked Comodo before Stuxnet was even discovered
Comodo DNS almost compromised
I have never seen such a detailed post before in my years of reading slashdot. Kids want to learn in general and yes you always have a few bad apples. However, once expectations are set things in general are good.
You brought up kids who only want to be there. Here is the problem. They are not old enough at the middle school level to know if wanting to learn is the right thing they want to do yet. Their brains are not developed yet to understand consequences and long term decisions. In essense, I make it for them. By law they must go to school PERIOD. By highschool if they want to drop out and flip burgers then that is up to them.
You are supposed to motivate them to learn. However, there is only so much I can do in a very limited time frame where I must move fast and on to the next subject to meet state standard tests; They want to act like kids and be loud and listen to music. Unfortunately, there is not enough time for that if I am to finish everything so I must have their minds set at all times before even the bell rings with warmups.
Sadly, I view life this way as well. Your employer always wants more for less and will fire you at the drop of a hat if he or she could find someone else who will! That is life and something I try to instill in these kids. I let them know the real world you will be fired if you are 3 minutes late for work 3 times or if you call in more than once a month sick. When the economy hits a recession who will be first to be shown the door? The person who is never sick or you who is tardy for class more than once aweek?
When I worked at a call center I would have a supervisor show up at my desk within 5 seconds if I wanted 5 seconds of downtime between calls freaking out! THey wanted me to work like a machine for hours straight. I am frankly just preparing kids for this. In CHina kids go to school 12 hours a day! They get like a 2 hour break after 3 but go back and finish from dawn to dusk as their parents also work 12 to 13 hour days. Kids in schools here have it easy.
School is about rules and much of it is to prepare them to be at work on time, work fast, be engaged with their mind on the task at hand (not weekend), etc. It is part of training them to be responsible adults. Americans lack these qualities compared to other countries which is one of the reasons outsources go to other countries and it is not just reduced labor costs. It is the fact that Indians are happy programming all day and then staying an 5 extra hours until 11pm their time for meetings iwth the US. H1B1 visa holders stay late too so they can have meetings with their Indian counter parts until the late morning hours. In China they are happy to not only work 6 days a week but be on call and sleep in the factory. If Americans had this attitude the demand to be replaced by robots wouldn't be so high.