I do not know what country you are from but the US is in a lot of trouble. Cost of living not reported by inflation (insurance, fuel, food, and housing) has went up 100% in 15 years while wages have gone down substantially. Service jobs from mega chains like Walmart are destroying small business and places like Tyson which used to pay $25/hr now pay $10 to illegals for the same job. This has happened while the cost to rent or mortgage has doubled!
Yes, this makes us angry and very anti-immigrant. I do not know how I can even survive and keep my children after rent and college costs. Do I blame illegals on my problem? No, but I bet you I would have many more job opportunities that paid more. When people are moved out of farming, restaurant, and construction by illegal workers they compete with other people for the rest of the jobs. Some get certifications. This brings wages down.
I am not prejudice at all. I am just stating the facts and it is perfectly reasonable to be anti immigrant at this time to protect ourselves.
So if you flew to England and went to Oxford to get your PHD in computer science what do you expect will happen when applying for a job? My guess is they would laugh and tell you too many Britons are out of work and unless you want to work as a research assistant you best be off to the other side of the pond. In India the government might not even let you study in that country because their government actually cares about its citizens. How is that fair?
Every government but ours looks out for their people. Who is looking after us?
You want them to stay? Well, demand their countries to treat us the same?
The irony is I bet Canal Plus probably uses employee screening services which actually display entries in facebook and livejournal made private to snoop on potential applicants.
It is like the companies who are making billions in profits declaring bankruptcy to avoid paying a few bills making sure every employee has a good credit history. Hypocrites.
There has been some limited success in DRM and pirating. Most if it is thanks to virus and malware writters. I used to use Limewire/Frostwire, DC++, and several others back in the day. I recenetly needed Frontpage or Dreamweaver for a business I want to start and can not afford a new one. I was shocked to the high amounts of contaminated torrents today. In 2003 I got maybe 1 virus from the loads of porn and other apps I downloaded. I only downloaded 3 torrents and got infected to the point where I had to wipe my whole system again with restore discs. Thats the price I get I suppose.
But I will not download a torrent again and drm makes it hard to get anything decent. If it was easy to copy video files you bet there would be many times more as it seems only the malware writers are the only ones defeating the DRM and packaging the infected movies and filez. In my opinion the executives made a wise business decision as much as it pisses everyone else off. They exist to make money and are just doing their job which is making it easier to download it off Itunes or go to BestBUY.
If people all quit then people would have less money to buy things which in turn gives these same corporations a reason not to hire Americans.
You can't win. If your job is nice but they use a bad language be happy you have a job. Trust me it is much much worse on the other side with the havenots. There are bad jobs at Walmart and and any fast food restaurant as these are the new 21st century jobs.
If you do find a good employer that treats you semi well and has you work only 50 hours a week be happy and not whine over the fact its Windows based. That is what I am saying. Reality is these evil corporations run the rules of the game. This is not going to change as must as I wish it would.
I live in Alaska and trust me they do not pay nearly that much. If you have 10+ years of experience they may pay $4k a month for special pipe fitters and petroleum engineers. Natives can do the job for $10/hr and are happy. Maybe in the past it was different before tens of millions got laid off.
Be careful what you wish for. I used to work for a really cool gaming company but started out as help desk. I hated commuting 3 hours to and from work everyday and putting up with stress and getting up in the morning. I told me wife I wish I didn't have to do this everyday. Next day FIRED.
I have worked at Taco Bell, substituted annoying children, and did all sorts of odd jobs trying to get into I.T. again. Who cares about principles when your kids are hungry? That is pretty selfish. Your employers can pay for their dumb mistakes on platforms and that is not your problem but there's.
If you hate it go quit. I will gladly take your job. In this recession many former I.T. folks who got laid off had a complete attitude change. I guess not everyone had.
Try working a shitty job and being broke and destitute. I have done that... and close to that right now.
Believe me you wont care what language it is as long as you are out of that horrible situation. Be happy you have a job in a nice air conditioned office. Wanting respect and earning a paycheck can bring great happiness, creativity, and great productivity. What you acomplish is more important than the language you love. People are so spoiled today and a reality check for those unemployed from 2008 when the economy tanked to today will show it. I bet these out of work Linux programmers would drool to work in an office using VB.NET and not have to sell printers at Best Buy.
If all you need is a simple site with a business name, direction, and tabs on the screen then a template can work. A guy in a third world country can easily click mouse buttons. You can get firms in Pakistan to do the work for $15/hr for a group of 3 or 4 people to edit any php code. Drupal templates make work easy. Some stuff from India is quite code for website work. Only complicated work needs to be done here for many many times more. The accountants and analysts look at the cost only and not quality.
This guy is a website programmer and templates and outsourcing are killing his market. He needs to move on.
Not to sound assholish, but if I were a PHB why would I want to pay you $40,000 a year to make intranet and internet sites when I can go to Vietnam or India and get the same job done for a few hundred bucks? Go to elance.com? They are filled with people paying $100 for formally $15,000 worth of work and people are dying to take these.
Intuit offers customers a website for only $29.99 and $15 a month. Why hire you or your employer to write it?
Do what is needed here at home which deals with business processes. Go back to school and get a supply chain management endorsement on your computer science degree and specialize in business process programming. This has been outsourced but is coming back because you can not outsource business processes duh. A business or software analysist is nice if you get an MBA. I would aim for that route. This is the new global economy and management positions are the only jobs left that are white collar and safe.
No, it's not. Mono has been around for years. I haven't messed with it, but from other posts about this article and comments friends of mine who have messed with it, it's pretty damned good these days.
Even a simple winforms based hello world emulates COM and Windows underneath. A winform control is a script of DCOM/COM with win32. It is not a simple Swing or GTK widget which simply calculates pixels and talks to the window manager to display Hello World.
For this reason alone it is not a full on Java replacement nor a serious language to develop cross platform apps
How about the risk of leaving Linux for Windows? Then you have to pay hundreds of thousands in licensing if you have more than 500 users. Not to mention you might as well pick SQL Server and... oops more CAL licensing costs.
One of the things I like about Java and Linux is a way to avoid these very expensive problems not to mention it is hard to switch platforms after making that kind of big investment. If a Java/Linux implementation sucks you can switch for $$$ but at least you do not have to kiss $100,000 in MS ecosystem licensing away. I believe this is why activeX and IE 6 wont die. Some hotshots who blew $100,000 want to protect their investments... and their jobs.
"I don't use Eclipse, but NetBeans you think is better than VisualStudio?"... not the crappy free express edition.
No addons, no units, I can't even share assembies with users of the professional and enterprise editions. Netbeans has php, C++, html, and other things. Eclipse has Aptana for web development. Java has the cards for free environments.
I feel like it is the equilivant of fleeing from the hands of tranny of Stalin by migrating to Nazi Germany. Both dictatorships with murderous leaders.
They did off the web platform. They lobbied to remove teh (applet) tag and created Java with win32 libraries knowing Sun would sue creating a FUD mindset for using this it on the desktop or web browser. If the (applet) tag was still there web 2.0 could have happened a decade earlier. Javascript today is trying to catch up to old Java.
The GUI problem is fixed. Eclipse does not use swing but rather SWT which gives it a native look and feel.
Swing does look ugly on Ubuntu but it looks native with GTK+ on other distros by using the correct theme. That is an Ubuntu bug. On fedora they look like native Gnome apps. The spew from the anti java crowd is very old.
Yes it is worth fighting. Want to keep Windows out of your server room?
Only Java and.NET have 200,000 methods to chose from. Infact, for large old COBOL installations Java is the only choice that runs on new mainframes that is modern and rich enough to run on many platforms for decades to replace COBOL with..NET versions are incompatible with each other. It can't run on mainframes to cell phones. Java is open to all databases..NET is SQL-Server and Windows oriented. Java has native execution speeds while python and perl are interpreted.
If Java turns into an old Oracle Database specific language we are all screwed. Might as well switch to some crappy Dell Poweredges with expensive seat limited Windows licenses if Java fails. I would hate to see this.
Also worthy to mention is that even if you have source code that uses something like QT that is 100% portable (ha) will probably never be recompiled for anything other than Windows. Who wants to support MacOSX with 8% of the market and Linux with.1%? After all that costs money to support according to the PHB managing the project.
I think if Java started with native.exes we might have seen more mac applications but Linux would have never taken off or Unix in the server space. The vendors would simply only support Windows and maybe Solaris here and there. IT would be very different.
Whats the point in using mono if you don't have.NET?
Java is used because it has 200,000 methods to chose from and runs everywhere with frameworks that can do anything. There are hundreds of academic and semi professional languages out there. C# is just that without a single library. Useless.
I bet any alternative language would start taking over if it had 200,000 fuctions/methods..NET is the only other thing that comes close which is why it is used.
Have you seen the video from redhat? Their kernel is now as up to date as Oracle's in terms of I/O and performance. RHEL 5 is very old from 2005/2006ish.
Oracle is more interested in Solaris right now and would not trust them for anything. After seeing what they are doing with Java I have contemplated leaving Linux/Java and learning Windows/.NET. That speaks volumes.
They do not have a business model. Its a group of redhat users who use the GNU freedom to view the source and strip the Redhat copyrights and recompile it. They do not even mention Redhat at all on their site. I believe there maybe a few non free components in RHEL like updates that they can not include but they include the Fedora Yum packagekit with mirrors to their servers for updates to fix that.
You get no support but it is RHEL for all intentions and purposes and it is way to use it.
This was true 7 years ago. Today I use Fedora because it is many times more stable and less bleeding edge than Ubuntu. I found only one issue of irration with Fedora 13 and 14 these past 6 months due to wanting an ATI driver. Other than that I had no problems whatsoever. It is fine for a department server where you would consider using it when $2000 is a lot of money compared to the hardware. For a $30,000 machine of course I would go for RHEL.
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I do not know what country you are from but the US is in a lot of trouble. Cost of living not reported by inflation (insurance, fuel, food, and housing) has went up 100% in 15 years while wages have gone down substantially. Service jobs from mega chains like Walmart are destroying small business and places like Tyson which used to pay $25/hr now pay $10 to illegals for the same job. This has happened while the cost to rent or mortgage has doubled!
Yes, this makes us angry and very anti-immigrant. I do not know how I can even survive and keep my children after rent and college costs. Do I blame illegals on my problem? No, but I bet you I would have many more job opportunities that paid more. When people are moved out of farming, restaurant, and construction by illegal workers they compete with other people for the rest of the jobs. Some get certifications. This brings wages down.
I am not prejudice at all. I am just stating the facts and it is perfectly reasonable to be anti immigrant at this time to protect ourselves.
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So if you flew to England and went to Oxford to get your PHD in computer science what do you expect will happen when applying for a job? My guess is they would laugh and tell you too many Britons are out of work and unless you want to work as a research assistant you best be off to the other side of the pond. In India the government might not even let you study in that country because their government actually cares about its citizens. How is that fair?
Every government but ours looks out for their people. Who is looking after us?
You want them to stay? Well, demand their countries to treat us the same?
The irony is I bet Canal Plus probably uses employee screening services which actually display entries in facebook and livejournal made private to snoop on potential applicants.
It is like the companies who are making billions in profits declaring bankruptcy to avoid paying a few bills making sure every employee has a good credit history. Hypocrites.
There has been some limited success in DRM and pirating. Most if it is thanks to virus and malware writters. I used to use Limewire/Frostwire, DC++, and several others back in the day. I recenetly needed Frontpage or Dreamweaver for a business I want to start and can not afford a new one. I was shocked to the high amounts of contaminated torrents today. In 2003 I got maybe 1 virus from the loads of porn and other apps I downloaded. I only downloaded 3 torrents and got infected to the point where I had to wipe my whole system again with restore discs. Thats the price I get I suppose.
But I will not download a torrent again and drm makes it hard to get anything decent. If it was easy to copy video files you bet there would be many times more as it seems only the malware writers are the only ones defeating the DRM and packaging the infected movies and filez. In my opinion the executives made a wise business decision as much as it pisses everyone else off. They exist to make money and are just doing their job which is making it easier to download it off Itunes or go to BestBUY.
If people all quit then people would have less money to buy things which in turn gives these same corporations a reason not to hire Americans.
You can't win. If your job is nice but they use a bad language be happy you have a job. Trust me it is much much worse on the other side with the havenots. There are bad jobs at Walmart and and any fast food restaurant as these are the new 21st century jobs.
If you do find a good employer that treats you semi well and has you work only 50 hours a week be happy and not whine over the fact its Windows based. That is what I am saying. Reality is these evil corporations run the rules of the game. This is not going to change as must as I wish it would.
I live in Alaska and trust me they do not pay nearly that much. If you have 10+ years of experience they may pay $4k a month for special pipe fitters and petroleum engineers. Natives can do the job for $10/hr and are happy. Maybe in the past it was different before tens of millions got laid off.
Be careful what you wish for. I used to work for a really cool gaming company but started out as help desk. I hated commuting 3 hours to and from work everyday and putting up with stress and getting up in the morning. I told me wife I wish I didn't have to do this everyday. Next day FIRED.
I have worked at Taco Bell, substituted annoying children, and did all sorts of odd jobs trying to get into I.T. again. Who cares about principles when your kids are hungry? That is pretty selfish. Your employers can pay for their dumb mistakes on platforms and that is not your problem but there's.
If you hate it go quit. I will gladly take your job. In this recession many former I.T. folks who got laid off had a complete attitude change. I guess not everyone had.
Try working a shitty job and being broke and destitute. I have done that ... and close to that right now.
Believe me you wont care what language it is as long as you are out of that horrible situation. Be happy you have a job in a nice air conditioned office. Wanting respect and earning a paycheck can bring great happiness, creativity, and great productivity. What you acomplish is more important than the language you love. People are so spoiled today and a reality check for those unemployed from 2008 when the economy tanked to today will show it. I bet these out of work Linux programmers would drool to work in an office using VB.NET and not have to sell printers at Best Buy.
They were cheaper were they not. According to the accountants and excel spreadsheets it showed that this was the right move.
If all you need is a simple site with a business name, direction, and tabs on the screen then a template can work. A guy in a third world country can easily click mouse buttons. You can get firms in Pakistan to do the work for $15/hr for a group of 3 or 4 people to edit any php code. Drupal templates make work easy. Some stuff from India is quite code for website work. Only complicated work needs to be done here for many many times more. The accountants and analysts look at the cost only and not quality.
This guy is a website programmer and templates and outsourcing are killing his market. He needs to move on.
Not to sound assholish, but if I were a PHB why would I want to pay you $40,000 a year to make intranet and internet sites when I can go to Vietnam or India and get the same job done for a few hundred bucks? Go to elance.com? They are filled with people paying $100 for formally $15,000 worth of work and people are dying to take these.
Intuit offers customers a website for only $29.99 and $15 a month. Why hire you or your employer to write it?
Do what is needed here at home which deals with business processes. Go back to school and get a supply chain management endorsement on your computer science degree and specialize in business process programming. This has been outsourced but is coming back because you can not outsource business processes duh. A business or software analysist is nice if you get an MBA. I would aim for that route. This is the new global economy and management positions are the only jobs left that are white collar and safe.
No, it's not. Mono has been around for years. I haven't messed with it, but from other posts about this article and comments friends of mine who have messed with it, it's pretty damned good these days.
Even a simple winforms based hello world emulates COM and Windows underneath. A winform control is a script of DCOM/COM with win32. It is not a simple Swing or GTK widget which simply calculates pixels and talks to the window manager to display Hello World.
For this reason alone it is not a full on Java replacement nor a serious language to develop cross platform apps
How about the risk of leaving Linux for Windows? Then you have to pay hundreds of thousands in licensing if you have more than 500 users. Not to mention you might as well pick SQL Server and ... oops more CAL licensing costs.
One of the things I like about Java and Linux is a way to avoid these very expensive problems not to mention it is hard to switch platforms after making that kind of big investment. If a Java/Linux implementation sucks you can switch for $$$ but at least you do not have to kiss $100,000 in MS ecosystem licensing away. I believe this is why activeX and IE 6 wont die. Some hotshots who blew $100,000 want to protect their investments ... and their jobs.
"I don't use Eclipse, but NetBeans you think is better than VisualStudio?" ... not the crappy free express edition.
No addons, no units, I can't even share assembies with users of the professional and enterprise editions. Netbeans has php, C++, html, and other things. Eclipse has Aptana for web development. Java has the cards for free environments.
I feel like it is the equilivant of fleeing from the hands of tranny of Stalin by migrating to Nazi Germany. Both dictatorships with murderous leaders.
They did off the web platform. They lobbied to remove teh (applet) tag and created Java with win32 libraries knowing Sun would sue creating a FUD mindset for using this it on the desktop or web browser. If the (applet) tag was still there web 2.0 could have happened a decade earlier. Javascript today is trying to catch up to old Java.
Mod parent up.
He is not a troll. Name one cross platform app?
Where is this magical app?
I have not seen a single app that can compile yet on Mono and .NET. Only Hello Worlds.
The GUI problem is fixed. Eclipse does not use swing but rather SWT which gives it a native look and feel.
Swing does look ugly on Ubuntu but it looks native with GTK+ on other distros by using the correct theme. That is an Ubuntu bug. On fedora they look like native Gnome apps. The spew from the anti java crowd is very old.
Yes it is worth fighting. Want to keep Windows out of your server room?
Only Java and .NET have 200,000 methods to chose from. Infact, for large old COBOL installations Java is the only choice that runs on new mainframes that is modern and rich enough to run on many platforms for decades to replace COBOL with. .NET versions are incompatible with each other. It can't run on mainframes to cell phones. Java is open to all databases. .NET is SQL-Server and Windows oriented. Java has native execution speeds while python and perl are interpreted.
If Java turns into an old Oracle Database specific language we are all screwed. Might as well switch to some crappy Dell Poweredges with expensive seat limited Windows licenses if Java fails. I would hate to see this.
Also worthy to mention is that even if you have source code that uses something like QT that is 100% portable (ha) will probably never be recompiled for anything other than Windows. Who wants to support MacOSX with 8% of the market and Linux with .1%? After all that costs money to support according to the PHB managing the project.
I think if Java started with native .exes we might have seen more mac applications but Linux would have never taken off or Unix in the server space. The vendors would simply only support Windows and maybe Solaris here and there. IT would be very different.
Whats the point in using mono if you don't have .NET?
Java is used because it has 200,000 methods to chose from and runs everywhere with frameworks that can do anything. There are hundreds of academic and semi professional languages out there. C# is just that without a single library. Useless.
I bet any alternative language would start taking over if it had 200,000 fuctions/methods. .NET is the only other thing that comes close which is why it is used.
Have you seen the video from redhat? Their kernel is now as up to date as Oracle's in terms of I/O and performance. RHEL 5 is very old from 2005/2006ish.
Oracle is more interested in Solaris right now and would not trust them for anything. After seeing what they are doing with Java I have contemplated leaving Linux/Java and learning Windows/.NET. That speaks volumes.
They do not have a business model. Its a group of redhat users who use the GNU freedom to view the source and strip the Redhat copyrights and recompile it. They do not even mention Redhat at all on their site. I believe there maybe a few non free components in RHEL like updates that they can not include but they include the Fedora Yum packagekit with mirrors to their servers for updates to fix that.
You get no support but it is RHEL for all intentions and purposes and it is way to use it.
This was true 7 years ago. Today I use Fedora because it is many times more stable and less bleeding edge than Ubuntu. I found only one issue of irration with Fedora 13 and 14 these past 6 months due to wanting an ATI driver. Other than that I had no problems whatsoever. It is fine for a department server where you would consider using it when $2000 is a lot of money compared to the hardware. For a $30,000 machine of course I would go for RHEL.