So, by the late 80s, calling a kernel plus a shell an "operating system" was anachronistic; today it is prehistoric. It would be like calling a motor, transmission and a suspension a car; there's a lot more to making a car (or an operating system) nowadays.
...yeah, like cdplayers and sunroofs and fuzzy dice hanging from the rear-view mirror.
Out of curiosity, what do your comments have to do with this story?......But your comments about "oh, some people are poking around because they're curious and don't mean any harm" just don't apply to this situation. forgive me if i wasn't clear. perhaps i should have indicated that me post wasn't commenting as much on the contents of the story as it was on the contents of other posts. several of these posts had strayed from the original story and had begun addressing the issue of people "poking around" and how much time and trouble they cause the sysadmins. my point was merely that this "wasted" time is in fact not wasted if you walk away from the incident with everything you started with plus a tighter security system. in the end, the time spent addressing these "petty" break-ins will help you prevent incidents like the one presented in the article. As someone else said, if you want to learn how systems work, buy a PC, install Linux (or the *BSD of your choice) on it and use that for testing. i agree wholeheartedly, which is why i began my post with "I'm not justifying anyone's actions" (e.g. i am not commenting on the moral implications of people snooping around.)
I'm not justifying anyone's actions here, but I for one think it is a good thing that there are some people out there 'poking around where they don't belong'. Most of these types are more curious than they are hostile and will usually leave your system unchanged (save for a l33t message about how you were had). It's the kind of thing that pushes the security business along and makes it harder for would-be evil-doers to do some serious damage. Provided that no irreparable damage is done -- restore some backups, fix the hole, and walk away a bit wiser (and hopefully with a more secure system). At the very least it keeps you on your toes.
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...yeah, like cdplayers and sunroofs and fuzzy dice hanging from the rear-view mirror.
Out of curiosity, what do your comments have to do with this story?... ...But your comments about "oh, some people are poking around because they're curious and don't mean any harm" just don't apply to this situation. forgive me if i wasn't clear. perhaps i should have indicated that me post wasn't commenting as much on the contents of the story as it was on the contents of other posts. several of these posts had strayed from the original story and had begun addressing the issue of people "poking around" and how much time and trouble they cause the sysadmins. my point was merely that this "wasted" time is in fact not wasted if you walk away from the incident with everything you started with plus a tighter security system. in the end, the time spent addressing these "petty" break-ins will help you prevent incidents like the one presented in the article. As someone else said, if you want to learn how systems work, buy a PC, install Linux (or the *BSD of your choice) on it and use that for testing. i agree wholeheartedly, which is why i began my post with "I'm not justifying anyone's actions" (e.g. i am not commenting on the moral implications of people snooping around.)
I'm not justifying anyone's actions here, but I for one think it is a good thing that there are some people out there 'poking around where they don't belong'. Most of these types are more curious than they are hostile and will usually leave your system unchanged (save for a l33t message about how you were had). It's the kind of thing that pushes the security business along and makes it harder for would-be evil-doers to do some serious damage. Provided that no irreparable damage is done -- restore some backups, fix the hole, and walk away a bit wiser (and hopefully with a more secure system). At the very least it keeps you on your toes.