While I share the same hatred towards imperial units that most non-US people feel, this doesn't deserve to be downvoted, it's quite true, and GP is just trolling IMO.
Why do you say GIMP needed to implement it's own windows-manager, when most OSs with a graphical interface already have at least one?
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Yes, it's own custom API, which just reinforces my initial statement. This almost reminds me of https://xkcd.com/927/
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Most of it is open source. The ridiculous thing is that it's only available for Windows XP, Windows 7, and Ubuntu (not the latest version). On top of that, only i386 is supported. Not even amd64. Even though you're supposed to develop for ARM on it.
How they managed to screw that up so bad, is beyond me!
I disagree. I've tried dozens of tools for plenty of languages, and have found Visual Studio one of the application with most usability issues *ever*, and by a very large margin.
After seeing the slideshows, all I see is lots of rounded borders (including window borders, which the WM should handle), and less desktop integration:
- It's own decoration instead of the OS's
- It's own widget styles
- It's own titlebars etc?
Do we really want a product that looks the same everywhere regardless of the OS and theming settings we've configured on it? Or did we choose+configure our OS for a reason?
The linux version behaves the same as the windows version (I have windows shoved down my throat at work, so I can personally vouch for this). You probably have an older version on linux, or simply, a different configuration.
You can't unify it on all platforms. Some have close/maximize/iconify buttons on the upper right corner, some on the left, so don't have any. Some have global menus, some don't.
Developers aren't supposed to make it look the same on every OS, they should respect the OS's look and feel and UI guidelines.
I agree. I'd hate to have another Opera, which has it's own visual style, regardless of the OS's settings. Chrome can, at least, be configured to respect the GTK's settings.
Because this sort of project proves how flawed skype's so-called security model is in the first place. It's yet one more thing you can point at when listing skype's defects.
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Sadly, you are right. Hopefully, we'll see qt available for Tizen soon after the first devices come out!:)
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Tizen didn't kill meego. Nokia killed Meego. Tizen just appeared later on.
This is quite true; Intel is the way to go if you don't want to game, no doubt about that. You even do get some pretty good 3D and graphics acceleration for movies and stuff as well. Nvidia+binary blob is the way to go if you *DO* want to game, and you'll probably want a distro that includes the binary blob to avoid manual installation issues. (like arch).
I had very much forgotten about that "glitch". Gee even first year programming students get screwed over that one and learn their lessons! I'm glad someone in the US dept of interior didn't forget about that glitch though!
I never said it was a bad thing; I actually made it pretty clear, I was speaking from a biological point-of-view. I was merely stating facts; we no longer live in a world where natural selection is fading.
It has nothing to do with good or bad, right or wrong.
I live in a non-firstworld country. USD 25 is something I could have payed for the Raspberry PI with a slight effort. USD 100 is just way too much, being almost a week's worth of food, and something really out-of-budget. I think this is the market intel forgot about, and there the PI will still dominate.
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Maemo has plenty of software, and generally of pretty good quality. A great deal work fine on meego. Aditionally, I find it extremenly easy to port some lightweight Qt app to maemo/meego; while porting that same app to EFL implies a complete rewrite of all the UI, and possibly more.
I'm also pretty sure there are WAY more developers that know Qt/GTK out there, than developers who know EFL. I for one don't personally know anyone who's ever used EFL, but I do know plenty of people who've used Qt or GTK.
Currently, on my N900, I can just SSH in, code some python files, and voilà, I have a maemo application. Using QT, and all out-of-the-box. The same cannot be said for Tizen, sadly. I either learn EFL, or program in HTML5. If I'm willing to write in HTML5, I'd just make a web-app that works anywhere, not Tizen-specific.
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Should have included this above; to quote Intel: "Meego apps written for smartphones won't work on Tizen devices"
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As far as I understand, Tizen runs HTML5 apps. Meego/maemo were close to real gnu/linux OSs, and could run real desktop application, or applications in C, Python, etc. Almost anything that would run on a desktop linux.
In what way is Tizen Meego's succesor if : 1) it can't run meego apps. Or Maemo apps. It's a totally different platform. 2) it isn't a real linux, but just uses linux at a very low level (somewhat like android).
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While I share the same hatred towards imperial units that most non-US people feel, this doesn't deserve to be downvoted, it's quite true, and GP is just trolling IMO.
Why do you say GIMP needed to implement it's own windows-manager, when most OSs with a graphical interface already have at least one?
Yes, it's own custom API, which just reinforces my initial statement.
This almost reminds me of https://xkcd.com/927/
Most of it is open source.
The ridiculous thing is that it's only available for Windows XP, Windows 7, and Ubuntu (not the latest version).
On top of that, only i386 is supported. Not even amd64. Even though you're supposed to develop for ARM on it.
How they managed to screw that up so bad, is beyond me!
No, I didn't "lol" at the comparison, I "lol"d at how funny it seems to consider VS a good IDE.
I disagree. I've tried dozens of tools for plenty of languages, and have found Visual Studio one of the application with most usability issues *ever*, and by a very large margin.
Visual Studio 2008 actually. Found it *way* too hard to use,. Really. Ended up not-using it. :)
Mind you; I said "good IDE", not "terribly awesome IDE".
Eclipse has lots of shortcommings, and issues, etc.
But the rest is *so* far behind, that they make eclipse seem awesome (in comparison).
After seeing the slideshows, all I see is lots of rounded borders (including window borders, which the WM should handle), and less desktop integration:
- It's own decoration instead of the OS's
- It's own widget styles
- It's own titlebars
etc?
Do we really want a product that looks the same everywhere regardless of the OS and theming settings we've configured on it?
Or did we choose+configure our OS for a reason?
The linux version behaves the same as the windows version (I have windows shoved down my throat at work, so I can personally vouch for this).
You probably have an older version on linux, or simply, a different configuration.
You can't unify it on all platforms.
Some have close/maximize/iconify buttons on the upper right corner, some on the left, so don't have any.
Some have global menus, some don't.
Developers aren't supposed to make it look the same on every OS, they should respect the OS's look and feel and UI guidelines.
I agree. I'd hate to have another Opera, which has it's own visual style, regardless of the OS's settings.
Chrome can, at least, be configured to respect the GTK's settings.
Because this sort of project proves how flawed skype's so-called security model is in the first place.
It's yet one more thing you can point at when listing skype's defects.
Sadly, you are right. :)
Hopefully, we'll see qt available for Tizen soon after the first devices come out!
Tizen didn't kill meego.
Nokia killed Meego.
Tizen just appeared later on.
This is quite true; Intel is the way to go if you don't want to game, no doubt about that. You even do get some pretty good 3D and graphics acceleration for movies and stuff as well.
Nvidia+binary blob is the way to go if you *DO* want to game, and you'll probably want a distro that includes the binary blob to avoid manual installation issues. (like arch).
I had very much forgotten about that "glitch". Gee even first year programming students get screwed over that one and learn their lessons!
I'm glad someone in the US dept of interior didn't forget about that glitch though!
C£ ?
Java has something C# lacks: a good IDE. ... ? Monodevelop? Yeah right. Visual Studio. LOL!
Java has eclipse.
C# has
I never said it was a bad thing; I actually made it pretty clear, I was speaking from a biological point-of-view.
I was merely stating facts; we no longer live in a world where natural selection is fading.
It has nothing to do with good or bad, right or wrong.
I live in a non-firstworld country.
USD 25 is something I could have payed for the Raspberry PI with a slight effort. USD 100 is just way too much, being almost a week's worth of food, and something really out-of-budget.
I think this is the market intel forgot about, and there the PI will still dominate.
Maemo has plenty of software, and generally of pretty good quality. A great deal work fine on meego.
Aditionally, I find it extremenly easy to port some lightweight Qt app to maemo/meego; while porting that same app to EFL implies a complete rewrite of all the UI, and possibly more.
I'm also pretty sure there are WAY more developers that know Qt/GTK out there, than developers who know EFL. I for one don't personally know anyone who's ever used EFL, but I do know plenty of people who've used Qt or GTK.
Currently, on my N900, I can just SSH in, code some python files, and voilà, I have a maemo application. Using QT, and all out-of-the-box. The same cannot be said for Tizen, sadly. I either learn EFL, or program in HTML5. If I'm willing to write in HTML5, I'd just make a web-app that works anywhere, not Tizen-specific.
Should have included this above; to quote Intel: "Meego apps written for smartphones won't work on Tizen devices"
As far as I understand, Tizen runs HTML5 apps. Meego/maemo were close to real gnu/linux OSs, and could run real desktop application, or applications in C, Python, etc. Almost anything that would run on a desktop linux.
In what way is Tizen Meego's succesor if :
1) it can't run meego apps. Or Maemo apps. It's a totally different platform.
2) it isn't a real linux, but just uses linux at a very low level (somewhat like android).
Windows breaks on every update, and there isn't even a bug tracker where I can report my issues to get a WONTFIX. I'd just have to suck it up!
On the other hand, a great deal of linux distros never break. Has Debian ever broken on update? What about Arch?