For most tasks, Windows Explorer is still the fastest and easiest way to move files around the system.
I don't know what all this stylized presentation garbage is all about, but I can imagine it's a real hog of CPU and memory resources to preview the contents of every item in a folder. I thought we had "long" filenames covering the job of explaining to the user what the contents of a file are.
The single folder view is really obnoxious. With the Explorer "All Folders" panel, files can be moved just about anywhere with ease. When I upgraded my W2K workstation with a new hard drive and reinstalled the OS, it was EASY to drop files from the old drive into the new one before wiping it and giving the Linux box a nice upgrade, too. Interface experts be damned, I want my multi-panel display!
The AC already addressed the IE install, and I am just barely above the luser level. I don't want to go toe to toe with you on this, but hear me out:
The advantage of SysV is that each daemon is "registered" with a fixed script each time you start/stop/whatever a service. Its disadvantage is that nothing can start before everything is stopped, not to mention the fact that blank files with (K|S)(priority)(service), e.g. K20named is silly (and the KxxSERVICE scheme with blank files is silly.
The advantage of BSD is that you have complete control. You can start and stop things in any order you like. Its disadvantage is that you duplicate a lot of commands.
When you combine the "registration" of services in SysV with the flexibility of BSD, you can really get somewhere. Combine that with on-the-fly loading and unloading (like the windows NET commands), and you've really got something. When the daemon is registered, you could also define custom fields. NET ABOUT NAMED would tell you what the daemon is. NET STAT HTTPD would show the status of httpd, etc. -- kinda like a Cisco.
You've got some good points on the environment variable idea, but I really would like it if I could have more control over where things decide to install themselves.
I think it was a troll, because he didn't even come close to scratching the surface on all the reasons why Linux sucks.
It's virtually impossible to stay up to date with the latest software. When you try compiling application X, it's missing library Y. When you download library Y, you can't compile it because library Z is out of date. Packaging tries to keep things up to date, but the only one that works is Debian, but doing so won't get you anywhere near the cutting edge of technology. Therefore, you have to get out of packaging and have to start breaking the packaging system, etc.
man pages suck ass. There isn't any useful, demonstative information given about commandline tools like cut, grep, and its cousins.
(and from here on out, I'll be complaining about distros, mostly Slackware vs. Red Hat)
All the ditributions are too fat or too skinny. I like Slackware, because it's minimalist, but it would be really nice if I could easily configure it with the Red Hat GNOME desktop.
Who in their right mind would come up with a scheme to start and stop services based on the asciibetical order of filenames? I hate SysV init. BSD init makes more sense, but its configuration ends up being redundant and messy looking. Why not register each daemon in their own file with the instructions to start/stop them, and then have a flat file for each runlevel indicating which daemons should be started and stopped?
Filesystem standards are terrible. I'm aware of LinuxBase (among others), and their rationale is good, but I don't see why there should be a standard on what those directories should be. In Linux, the kernel resides in/boot (according to the standards), but in OS X, I believe it's in/System. If common environment variables were used instead of explicit paths, software would be easier to install the way you want it Symlinks are not the answer for everything...
Anyway, that's my little rant about Linux. I use it, and I'd like to get more out of it beacuse of all the cool free stuff I can hack on, but getting half of it the way I want is a major PITA.
BTW, I have already gotten these responses: RTFM and STFU. I've heard them before, OK?
If you post and you are wrong, someone will correct you. If you refresh the page after a few minutes, some karma whore will summarrize the entire article.
Makes you wonder why people even bother reading the articles at all...
No, but you're CLOSE to being the only one. I was once like you, until I realized:
Try writing a phrase/sentence with code. Try writing three. Try to make them coherent. Try fitting the right number of syllables into each one. Try giving it a personality. For the left brained CS-type, right brained activity like poetry using one's own mind is difficult enough. Bridging the gap between those two hemispheres with code is quite a challenge. I think haiku generation is a common CS program exercise, and those that make it through gain quite an appreciation for the style.
Wow, the 700 monkeys and typewriters collectively known as Illiad have FINALLY cranked out a FUNNY User Friendly comic. Today was the first time UF has made me laugh... EVER.
Never in my life have I ever seen heterosexuals express their happiness by stating they are gay.
Computer enthusiasts/hobbyists/programmers should really buy a clue on this one and give it up. To the masses, "hacker" == "cracker", and that's the end of it.
Oh, and worms/trojans are "viruses", too. When science and technology come to the masses, "the field" and the "real world" are going to come into conflict. Many people still think a quantum leap is REALLY BIG...
We're not going to see eye to eye on this subject, no matter what. I think my argument, and the primary argument of many, many others is that we KNOW it's illegal. We don't care, because we don't see it as wrong. There may be laws on the books, but maybe it's time to revisit them and get a bit more specific. It's time that the consumer get some feedback into what makes up a copyright law. It won't necessarily be bad, just different.
Looking at your posting history, it seems to me that you're taking the tack that this activity is illegal, and should therefore not be done. My heart is my guide, not a law book. I don't give a fuck what the laws say about copyrighted music, nor do I care what they have to say about marijuana. SOMETIMES LAWS ARE WRONG.
In any case, your analogy confuses physical and intellectual property. If I stole a CD from Tower, many people lose money because it actually cost something to produce and merchandise that disc.
When you steal the contents instead, it's a different issue. Now what If I "stole" the album for evaluation?
If I didn't like it, I save myself $17 that I can spend on another CD, movie, or a rock of crack FWIW.
Of course, I'll buy it if I really like it, or maybe I will pick it up on a whim.
If I liked it, but maybe not enough to want to buy the album (as with Elton John/Neil Diamond), that artists still gain mindshare. Even if I'm not a sale now, I have much more potential to be one than I did before I got the music for free.
Maybe in five years, I'll get sick of listening to Husker Du, and I'll want a collection of works by singer/songwriters such as Diamond. Maybe they'll be in Vegas, and I could catch a show there. Maybe I'll buy an Elton John CD as a Christmas gift to my parents.
This is analogous to Linux. You can download just about any distribution, burn it on CD, and install it on as many computers as you would like, yet people keep paying for it!
I do agree that many Napster usera are leeches, but there are as many people who buy more music because of it. I have a collection of songs by Neil Diamond and Elton John that I have only come to appreciate because I got the songs for free (though not on Napster). Had I not gotten them for free, I likely never would have had any interest since my primary musical interest is 80's punk. I think it makes good marketing sense -- I am now CONSIDERING a purchase that I otherwise would not have made. Call that leeching if you want, but I disagree.
Personally, I question why the software company I work for has T1 internet access. We host our own servers and provide Internet services, but those run on their own T1. We as employees have a separate T1 for Internet access at our desktops, and I'd be incredibly surprised to discover that even 1% of the traffic is for "legitimate" purposes. I spend an hour on/. every day for cryin' out loud!
I'd just like to know how big this whiny antismoker range is. To me, it seems unrealistic to ban smoking ON THE ENTIRE GROUNDS anywhere. If you're sitting in an outdoor cafe and want to complain about other people smoking, shut the fuck up. You may as well stop driving or walking on the sidewalk, because you're inhaling even more toxic fumes from a resource that isn't even renewable.
I have a friend in the hospital. After several hours of visitation with him and his wife last weekend, it was time for a cigarette. I'm not a heavy smoker or even a particularly activist smoker, but it seems ridiculous to me that they ban smoking on the grounds of the facility. You can step across the street, but since it's not even their property, they can't put an ashtray there. These kinds of things don't resolve a "problem", they simply divert them.
On the contrary. Take a look at the NVIDIA site and find one example of this. Kyle at the HardOCP has pointed out the PR material emphasizing the correct spellings SEVERAL TIMES, and while I can't find them there anymore, this is how the scheme works.
Segfault 11's unified theory: There are no politics other than politics.
Hardware is not politics. I will continue to buy hardware that will offer me the best value and/or performance and/or happens to be available. I own one NVIDIA card, two 3dfx cards, an S3, and a Matrox. Why? See above.
Food is not politics. If I have to hear another tirade about how terrible I am and the foods I eat, I'm going to wring the fucking vegan's neck. My vegetarian friends can be cool -- they eat their hummus and leave me alone.
Television is not politics. Leave me alone. I don't care if there is no educational value. I don't care if the book by XYZ author is better than anything on TV. I enjoy watching The Simpsons and South Park and The Family Guy -- try fitting that kind of humor into a book.
Smoking is not politics. If you don't like where I smoke, that's fine -- I'll step outside. If you want to prevent me from smoking with laws making cigarettes outrageously expensive, or setting zones so that I can't smoke anywhere on the grounds of my workplace, fuck off. You think it's disgusting? Well, I think your nail biting is, too!
You get the idea. Assess things on their merits, and forget the company's politics. The practices of a company now will affect their karma somewhere down the road anyway (see M$).
1. I don't know what Steve really does at Hypothermia except fill in for Kyle at the HardOCP and dog him every time he gets a chance to post. I liked the site when it was Kyle posting, and Steve was just a standin, not just a friendly pissing contest between the two of them.
2. Nvidia should be spelled NVIDIA.
3. Is this really an apology or just a pacifier? To me, it sounds like the kind of thing that any other PR department would come up with after a similar debacle. "Oh, it was a mistake", "It wasn't _us_ doing that per se", "it won't happen again" -- you get the picture. M$ has done this how many times???
4. There are three kinds of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
The person/organization who spent the time/money to collect data and/or produce a product has the right to distribute it under whatever "license" they choose, be it art, technology, or none of the above. If I spent a billion dollars inventing a better mousetrap out of common household items, I don't want my next door neighbor taking the thing apart, building his own, then undercutting my own price, leaving me a few hundred mil behind for having invented it in the first place.
The only problem I see with this is that for most artists and companies, the legal folks make sure you don't get that choice for themselves, or even know about it if they can help it at all. Maybe RAMBU$ really wants everyone to use their memory technology and just needs to recoup their investment -- well, THEY probably don't, but WE have the choice whether to buy it...
Lines have nothing to do with fishing. The word line has to do the connection of two points on a plane in the shortest possible distance. Please remember this the next time you call a line a line.
The well-constructed troll is a post that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it. (Read the rest of this entry)
Hopefully, everyone will get the thrust of my argument, even if I fail to fully and clearly articulate it here.
Regardless of the license, one can make the UI for Mozilla really awesome, and have it render pages beautifully (much like IE). The browser is extremely popular, and its users have no idea that the browser is spying on all the data you are sending via SSL, harvesting credit cards and building customer profiles. Of course, it wouldn't be very hard for them to get caught.
With the source (as required by GPL), _someone_ would immediately be able to discover the spyware and issue a patch to remove the undesirable "features". With MPL, one could have a binary-only distribution. How long would it take to discover this malicious use? Even if it were discovered immediately, all the other functionality would be lost.
Maybe this is great for the developers, but it's even better for the end user.
I can't disagree with anything that you have said. They want something that works, and when changes/improvements to GPL code are made, they become available to everyone.
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For most tasks, Windows Explorer is still the fastest and easiest way to move files around the system.
I don't know what all this stylized presentation garbage is all about, but I can imagine it's a real hog of CPU and memory resources to preview the contents of every item in a folder. I thought we had "long" filenames covering the job of explaining to the user what the contents of a file are.
The single folder view is really obnoxious. With the Explorer "All Folders" panel, files can be moved just about anywhere with ease. When I upgraded my W2K workstation with a new hard drive and reinstalled the OS, it was EASY to drop files from the old drive into the new one before wiping it and giving the Linux box a nice upgrade, too. Interface experts be damned, I want my multi-panel display!
The advantage of SysV is that each daemon is "registered" with a fixed script each time you start/stop/whatever a service. Its disadvantage is that nothing can start before everything is stopped, not to mention the fact that blank files with (K|S)(priority)(service), e.g. K20named is silly (and the KxxSERVICE scheme with blank files is silly.
The advantage of BSD is that you have complete control. You can start and stop things in any order you like. Its disadvantage is that you duplicate a lot of commands.
When you combine the "registration" of services in SysV with the flexibility of BSD, you can really get somewhere. Combine that with on-the-fly loading and unloading (like the windows NET commands), and you've really got something. When the daemon is registered, you could also define custom fields. NET ABOUT NAMED would tell you what the daemon is. NET STAT HTTPD would show the status of httpd, etc. -- kinda like a Cisco.
You've got some good points on the environment variable idea, but I really would like it if I could have more control over where things decide to install themselves.
A successor ffor Pascal? Would that not be Delphi?
I think it was a troll, because he didn't even come close to scratching the surface on all the reasons why Linux sucks.
/boot (according to the standards), but in OS X, I believe it's in /System. If common environment variables were used instead of explicit paths, software would be easier to install the way you want it Symlinks are not the answer for everything...
It's virtually impossible to stay up to date with the latest software. When you try compiling application X, it's missing library Y. When you download library Y, you can't compile it because library Z is out of date. Packaging tries to keep things up to date, but the only one that works is Debian, but doing so won't get you anywhere near the cutting edge of technology. Therefore, you have to get out of packaging and have to start breaking the packaging system, etc.
man pages suck ass. There isn't any useful, demonstative information given about commandline tools like cut, grep, and its cousins.
(and from here on out, I'll be complaining about distros, mostly Slackware vs. Red Hat)
All the ditributions are too fat or too skinny. I like Slackware, because it's minimalist, but it would be really nice if I could easily configure it with the Red Hat GNOME desktop.
Who in their right mind would come up with a scheme to start and stop services based on the asciibetical order of filenames? I hate SysV init. BSD init makes more sense, but its configuration ends up being redundant and messy looking. Why not register each daemon in their own file with the instructions to start/stop them, and then have a flat file for each runlevel indicating which daemons should be started and stopped?
Filesystem standards are terrible. I'm aware of LinuxBase (among others), and their rationale is good, but I don't see why there should be a standard on what those directories should be. In Linux, the kernel resides in
Anyway, that's my little rant about Linux. I use it, and I'd like to get more out of it beacuse of all the cool free stuff I can hack on, but getting half of it the way I want is a major PITA.
BTW, I have already gotten these responses: RTFM and STFU. I've heard them before, OK?
He probably didn't, here's why:
If you post and you are wrong, someone will correct you. If you refresh the page after a few minutes, some karma whore will summarrize the entire article.
Makes you wonder why people even bother reading the articles at all...
No, but you're CLOSE to being the only one. I was once like you, until I realized:
Try writing a phrase/sentence with code. Try writing three. Try to make them coherent. Try fitting the right number of syllables into each one. Try giving it a personality. For the left brained CS-type, right brained activity like poetry using one's own mind is difficult enough. Bridging the gap between those two hemispheres with code is quite a challenge. I think haiku generation is a common CS program exercise, and those that make it through gain quite an appreciation for the style.
No, I think Microsoft Corporation still has a trademark on "Microsoft" ; )
Wow, the 700 monkeys and typewriters collectively known as Illiad have FINALLY cranked out a FUNNY User Friendly comic. Today was the first time UF has made me laugh... EVER.
Never in my life have I ever seen heterosexuals express their happiness by stating they are gay.
Computer enthusiasts/hobbyists/programmers should really buy a clue on this one and give it up. To the masses, "hacker" == "cracker", and that's the end of it.
Oh, and worms/trojans are "viruses", too. When science and technology come to the masses, "the field" and the "real world" are going to come into conflict. Many people still think a quantum leap is REALLY BIG...
We're not going to see eye to eye on this subject, no matter what. I think my argument, and the primary argument of many, many others is that we KNOW it's illegal. We don't care, because we don't see it as wrong. There may be laws on the books, but maybe it's time to revisit them and get a bit more specific. It's time that the consumer get some feedback into what makes up a copyright law. It won't necessarily be bad, just different.
Looking at your posting history, it seems to me that you're taking the tack that this activity is illegal, and should therefore not be done. My heart is my guide, not a law book. I don't give a fuck what the laws say about copyrighted music, nor do I care what they have to say about marijuana. SOMETIMES LAWS ARE WRONG.
In any case, your analogy confuses physical and intellectual property. If I stole a CD from Tower, many people lose money because it actually cost something to produce and merchandise that disc.
When you steal the contents instead, it's a different issue. Now what If I "stole" the album for evaluation?
If I didn't like it, I save myself $17 that I can spend on another CD, movie, or a rock of crack FWIW.
Of course, I'll buy it if I really like it, or maybe I will pick it up on a whim.
If I liked it, but maybe not enough to want to buy the album (as with Elton John/Neil Diamond), that artists still gain mindshare. Even if I'm not a sale now, I have much more potential to be one than I did before I got the music for free.
Maybe in five years, I'll get sick of listening to Husker Du, and I'll want a collection of works by singer/songwriters such as Diamond. Maybe they'll be in Vegas, and I could catch a show there. Maybe I'll buy an Elton John CD as a Christmas gift to my parents.
This is analogous to Linux. You can download just about any distribution, burn it on CD, and install it on as many computers as you would like, yet people keep paying for it!
This sounds like a troll, but what the heck.
/. every day for cryin' out loud!
I do agree that many Napster usera are leeches, but there are as many people who buy more music because of it. I have a collection of songs by Neil Diamond and Elton John that I have only come to appreciate because I got the songs for free (though not on Napster). Had I not gotten them for free, I likely never would have had any interest since my primary musical interest is 80's punk. I think it makes good marketing sense -- I am now CONSIDERING a purchase that I otherwise would not have made. Call that leeching if you want, but I disagree.
Personally, I question why the software company I work for has T1 internet access. We host our own servers and provide Internet services, but those run on their own T1. We as employees have a separate T1 for Internet access at our desktops, and I'd be incredibly surprised to discover that even 1% of the traffic is for "legitimate" purposes. I spend an hour on
I'm not a troll, I just speak my mind.
I'd just like to know how big this whiny antismoker range is. To me, it seems unrealistic to ban smoking ON THE ENTIRE GROUNDS anywhere. If you're sitting in an outdoor cafe and want to complain about other people smoking, shut the fuck up. You may as well stop driving or walking on the sidewalk, because you're inhaling even more toxic fumes from a resource that isn't even renewable.
I have a friend in the hospital. After several hours of visitation with him and his wife last weekend, it was time for a cigarette. I'm not a heavy smoker or even a particularly activist smoker, but it seems ridiculous to me that they ban smoking on the grounds of the facility. You can step across the street, but since it's not even their property, they can't put an ashtray there. These kinds of things don't resolve a "problem", they simply divert them.
The same rationale could be applied to alcohol consumption, driving an automobile, or even eating vegetables.
The truth is that you don't like smoking, and you don't think people should have the right to do what they want with their bodies.
I know my life would be much less pleasant if I were in the company of a bunch of fussy, whiny antismokers...
The correct spellings are as follows:
Segfault 11's unified theory: There are no politics other than politics.
Hardware is not politics. I will continue to buy hardware that will offer me the best value and/or performance and/or happens to be available. I own one NVIDIA card, two 3dfx cards, an S3, and a Matrox. Why? See above.
Food is not politics. If I have to hear another tirade about how terrible I am and the foods I eat, I'm going to wring the fucking vegan's neck. My vegetarian friends can be cool -- they eat their hummus and leave me alone.
Television is not politics. Leave me alone. I don't care if there is no educational value. I don't care if the book by XYZ author is better than anything on TV. I enjoy watching The Simpsons and South Park and The Family Guy -- try fitting that kind of humor into a book.
Smoking is not politics. If you don't like where I smoke, that's fine -- I'll step outside. If you want to prevent me from smoking with laws making cigarettes outrageously expensive, or setting zones so that I can't smoke anywhere on the grounds of my workplace, fuck off. You think it's disgusting? Well, I think your nail biting is, too!
You get the idea. Assess things on their merits, and forget the company's politics. The practices of a company now will affect their karma somewhere down the road anyway (see M$).
1. I don't know what Steve really does at Hypothermia except fill in for Kyle at the HardOCP and dog him every time he gets a chance to post. I liked the site when it was Kyle posting, and Steve was just a standin, not just a friendly pissing contest between the two of them.
2. Nvidia should be spelled NVIDIA.
3. Is this really an apology or just a pacifier? To me, it sounds like the kind of thing that any other PR department would come up with after a similar debacle. "Oh, it was a mistake", "It wasn't _us_ doing that per se", "it won't happen again" -- you get the picture. M$ has done this how many times???
4. There are three kinds of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
The person/organization who spent the time/money to collect data and/or produce a product has the right to distribute it under whatever "license" they choose, be it art, technology, or none of the above. If I spent a billion dollars inventing a better mousetrap out of common household items, I don't want my next door neighbor taking the thing apart, building his own, then undercutting my own price, leaving me a few hundred mil behind for having invented it in the first place.
The only problem I see with this is that for most artists and companies, the legal folks make sure you don't get that choice for themselves, or even know about it if they can help it at all. Maybe RAMBU$ really wants everyone to use their memory technology and just needs to recoup their investment -- well, THEY probably don't, but WE have the choice whether to buy it...
I'm sure he gets plenty already...
a definition of trolling
Many so-called trolls are really just disruptors, spammers, or agitators, and I'll leave it at that.
Lines have nothing to do with fishing. The word line has to do the connection of two points on a plane in the shortest possible distance. Please remember this the next time you call a line a line.
The well-constructed troll is a post that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it.
( Read the rest of this entry )
I think it qualifies.
Perhaps now everyone will understand the expression: "YHBT. YHL. HAND.. Trolls don't just live under bridges or hang around Slashdot, folks...
Hopefully, everyone will get the thrust of my argument, even if I fail to fully and clearly articulate it here.
Regardless of the license, one can make the UI for Mozilla really awesome, and have it render pages beautifully (much like IE). The browser is extremely popular, and its users have no idea that the browser is spying on all the data you are sending via SSL, harvesting credit cards and building customer profiles. Of course, it wouldn't be very hard for them to get caught.
With the source (as required by GPL), _someone_ would immediately be able to discover the spyware and issue a patch to remove the undesirable "features". With MPL, one could have a binary-only distribution. How long would it take to discover this malicious use? Even if it were discovered immediately, all the other functionality would be lost.
Maybe this is great for the developers, but it's even better for the end user.
I can't disagree with anything that you have said. They want something that works, and when changes/improvements to GPL code are made, they become available to everyone.