I am sick and tired of the opinion that people are somehow superior and different than animals. Any other animal that had this syndrome would either
Not pass on the genes because members of the species stop mating with him, thus removing those qualities from the pool.
Pass on the genes before he dies, thus reducing the general lifespan of the species.
But because we humans are so goddamn different, we need to contemplate the issue forever. Why? Genetics is something that we control for our benifit, but when we do, we are simply acting as an agent of evolution. We have the power to remove those undisirable from the gene pool, just like animals do by choosing who they mate with. Why is this any different? Do we not belong to the same kingdom? Do our actions present any different options than those posed by evolution?
Suppose we wish to make a minature human, about the size of my arm. We can do it with genetics, or we can do it the same way we created a Chiuaha from a wolf. No genetics necessary.
Most of the people fall into the trap of the "human chauvinist pigs" - when we create something, it is different than when "nature" creates something, because we are not part of nature. It's somehow "dirty" and "unnatural". Well, so is your pet cat or dog.
Just because we have the power to create does not make us dirty, or unnatural. We simply wield the power of evolution the same way that nature wields it. It is not wrong, unless you believe that we are "different", which is a morally immature opinion.
Actually, while his article was very confusing and not well written, I saw some defense of his work and "donation" to the HGP, even if Katz doesn't agree with genetic modification in the first place.
and I thought that Caltech scientists came up with the method to allow high-speed sequencing of the genome. But hey, I could be unfairly biased in remembering facts there.
And I certainly recall several lines of Apple computers before the first computer with MS-DOS, but Microsoft would have you believe that they invented the computer.
Celera is the Microsoft of the Biotech Industry. Watch them carefully, HGP, because they'll be stabbing you in the back before you know it, just like Microsoft and the No-UNIX-Compete agreement (*cough* NT *cough*)
Oh, you must mean Dr. Michael W. "I want to patent your genes" Hunkapiller, huh?
obsessing about what's not important --... IPO's
And this doesn't fall into that category... because? Let's face it - Celera Genomics is a business company, not a science company. This isn't for the good of the country. The Human Genome Project is important, not some Celera Sell-The-Patent-License, Inc.
I can't believe you fell for the marketing that paints Celera as anything less than the Microsoft of the biotech industry.
BTW, how is it determined who gets on the mailing list? I tried once when it was first started, and I recently sent an email to spiralx with no response (I'm not even worthy of a rejection!) Am I just too much of a karma whore, or are you now very wary about who you let on the list?
Yes it will. My karma will indeed save me. Even if moderators bumped down every post in this forum I made to -1, I'd still be >100 karma. I can afford a first post every once and a while.
And they're all sitting (practically) unused in the backroom here at work because some fool in IT thinks that we need an E10000 to serve simple SQL querys and NFS... grr... and they were too clueless to resist our Sun rep's charms, probly...
Goatse.cx is not a troll thing! It is a spammer thing!
All you spammers ran off with the perfectly good troll name and defaced it! It's like the l33t d00dz script kiddies who ran off with the hacker name! You are not trolls... you are spammers!
BTW, the virtual starship tour (or whatever gimmicky name it's called) at the Adler planetarium uses SGI boxes to do the rendering on a skydome ceiling... can you imagine Descent 3 on that?
Yes, BUT Linux can't at this time even think about supporting somethin like that. If they sent Linus one, maybe, but I suspect he'd rip out the MIPS processors, replace them with Crusoes, and send them back a 512-processor Crusoe machine... with no cooling:-P
This is definitely a great system for anyone who wants to have their computer be the size of several refrigerators;)
And wants several refrigerators to cool the system, too. Can Linux even handle that many processors, let alone make good use of them? UNIX is simply amazing...
You'd only think me a newbie if you looked at my user number... my first account number is 98984, and I lurked for quite a while even before that. Not CND, but been here for a while.
Why is it that when we have nothing interesting to say about the articles, all we end up with is a bunch of funny posts? We have better things to do with our time.
Well, seeing as I aready posted my reply with a +1, unless people browse at 3 (I feel sorry for those people... they miss out on the discussion) if the original gets modded up, the second one is visible.
Why do you need guts? Slashdot is anonymous. And I like being flamed every once in a while. So, here goes:
The reply to my post was pure garbage. My SETI username is the same name that I put in for software, and at the time there was an outside piece of advertising spyware installed on my system. The top part goes, though. I have been able to crash my client with specially-constructed (i.e. random) TCP/IP packets. Don't know if that's bad use of sprintfs or just failure to account for bad incoming packets.
*thwack* accidentally hit the submit button too soon... the other point is that it appears to be looking at information in your registry... y'know how when you purchase a product and it asks you for your name and company and it is usally already filled in? I caught it trying to send that (with help of a sniffer and a rediculous string for that registry entry).
I do a little security auditing in my free time, and I just got my hands on the 3.0 preview. Needless to say, I'm not very impressed:
What I've found is that the client's TCP/IP code is easily overloaded. If you can fake a TCP/IP packet in response to its connection, you can initiate a buffer overflow in the client. Boom - instant security hole.
Not only that, but I suspect that the server has the same sloppy coding. I didn't want to try it, because I don't like crashing public servers, but it would be very possible to take down SETI@Home, or even to get root, if you were l33t.
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(Damn. I'm replying to you again. Stop that, will you?)
But because we humans are so goddamn different, we need to contemplate the issue forever. Why? Genetics is something that we control for our benifit, but when we do, we are simply acting as an agent of evolution. We have the power to remove those undisirable from the gene pool, just like animals do by choosing who they mate with. Why is this any different? Do we not belong to the same kingdom? Do our actions present any different options than those posed by evolution?
Suppose we wish to make a minature human, about the size of my arm. We can do it with genetics, or we can do it the same way we created a Chiuaha from a wolf. No genetics necessary.
Most of the people fall into the trap of the "human chauvinist pigs" - when we create something, it is different than when "nature" creates something, because we are not part of nature. It's somehow "dirty" and "unnatural". Well, so is your pet cat or dog.
Just because we have the power to create does not make us dirty, or unnatural. We simply wield the power of evolution the same way that nature wields it. It is not wrong, unless you believe that we are "different", which is a morally immature opinion.
Actually, while his article was very confusing and not well written, I saw some defense of his work and "donation" to the HGP, even if Katz doesn't agree with genetic modification in the first place.
And I certainly recall several lines of Apple computers before the first computer with MS-DOS, but Microsoft would have you believe that they invented the computer.
Celera is the Microsoft of the Biotech Industry. Watch them carefully, HGP, because they'll be stabbing you in the back before you know it, just like Microsoft and the No-UNIX-Compete agreement (*cough* NT *cough*)
obsessing about what's not important --... IPO's
And this doesn't fall into that category... because? Let's face it - Celera Genomics is a business company, not a science company. This isn't for the good of the country. The Human Genome Project is important, not some Celera Sell-The-Patent-License, Inc.
I can't believe you fell for the marketing that paints Celera as anything less than the Microsoft of the biotech industry.
No, it's something designed to work with multimedia. Who in their right mind would use it for a webserver?
And so do I, but does that mean that I am not a troll?
BTW, how is it determined who gets on the mailing list? I tried once when it was first started, and I recently sent an email to spiralx with no response (I'm not even worthy of a rejection!) Am I just too much of a karma whore, or are you now very wary about who you let on the list?
OT, but is or is not HP porting HP/UX to Itanium? And what's the status of Project Montery?
I'll pay more attention to the username of whom I'm replying to, if it makes you feel any better.
Yes it will. My karma will indeed save me. Even if moderators bumped down every post in this forum I made to -1, I'd still be >100 karma. I can afford a first post every once and a while.
Damn. Why? Why did you cut'n paste? Is this some sick and twisted experiment into slashdot moderation?
Anybody know how this thing compares to the SGI machine just named? And are they using these things for the Final Fantasy movie that's coming up?
And they're all sitting (practically) unused in the backroom here at work because some fool in IT thinks that we need an E10000 to serve simple SQL querys and NFS... grr... and they were too clueless to resist our Sun rep's charms, probly...
Goatse.cx is not a troll thing! It is a spammer thing!
All you spammers ran off with the perfectly good troll name and defaced it! It's like the l33t d00dz script kiddies who ran off with the hacker name! You are not trolls... you are spammers!
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Break out the motion-sickness pills!
Yes, BUT Linux can't at this time even think about supporting somethin like that. If they sent Linus one, maybe, but I suspect he'd rip out the MIPS processors, replace them with Crusoes, and send them back a 512-processor Crusoe machine... with no cooling :-P
I think you missed the "UNIX is amazing" comment.
And wants several refrigerators to cool the system, too. Can Linux even handle that many processors, let alone make good use of them? UNIX is simply amazing...
You'd only think me a newbie if you looked at my user number... my first account number is 98984, and I lurked for quite a while even before that. Not CND, but been here for a while.
Why is it that when we have nothing interesting to say about the articles, all we end up with is a bunch of funny posts? We have better things to do with our time.
Why do you need guts? Slashdot is anonymous. And I like being flamed every once in a while. So, here goes:
The reply to my post was pure garbage. My SETI username is the same name that I put in for software, and at the time there was an outside piece of advertising spyware installed on my system. The top part goes, though. I have been able to crash my client with specially-constructed (i.e. random) TCP/IP packets. Don't know if that's bad use of sprintfs or just failure to account for bad incoming packets.
*thwack* accidentally hit the submit button too soon... the other point is that it appears to be looking at information in your registry... y'know how when you purchase a product and it asks you for your name and company and it is usally already filled in? I caught it trying to send that (with help of a sniffer and a rediculous string for that registry entry).
... and siggy appears to be fed up enough to try. Perhaps they're already in league with each other and trying to do this on purpose?
What I've found is that the client's TCP/IP code is easily overloaded. If you can fake a TCP/IP packet in response to its connection, you can initiate a buffer overflow in the client. Boom - instant security hole.
Not only that, but I suspect that the server has the same sloppy coding. I didn't want to try it, because I don't like crashing public servers, but it would be very possible to take down SETI@Home, or even to get root, if you were l33t.
You've been warned.