Lol, Pot, Kettle... Or more probably it is your preconceptions that limit you and you accuse me of having preconceptions to avoid confronting your own.
The difference between you and I is not a question of any preconceptions, it's that you haven't given thought to the consequences of the positions you hold, while I have. I don't have to know where you live to deduce from your positions & avowed lack of real world experience that you haven't got a clue about the end results of your current positions would be. It has also become clear that instead of looking at using the subjects we have discussed from different angles and reasoning out a coherent position, you consider your positions to be valid -- because they are your current positions. It's depressingly common: From the fundie christians to the radical islamists all the way to the communists with with their dialectic many rely on others to do your thinking for them.
Grrr.../.'s new editing system ate my last reply. this will be shorter...
Why is it that WL hasn't come out with any significant stories on any countries without a free press? is it that a free press is necessary for WL to function? Is it that there are no stories from Russia for example? Is it a lack of courage? Why is this not a problem for you?
If WL is a successful it will be become generalized down to local levels? It has become a truism that in modern society everyone is guilty of something. What exactly will stop the powerful from searching out the information implicating anyone large or small and anonymously sending it to a WL that will publish it?
These are much larger questions that not only are you not answering, you don't appear to even ask yourself the questions. Forgive me but your willingness to take risks without considering the consequences is frightening
I don't have to let anyone else define what anarchy is, unlike you I've seen it first hand. What has become perfectly clear is that you have no idea what you're talking about. Like the deluded few others I have met with similar views you're powerless to affect society in any meaningful way so instead of working within the process to help society as a whole you identify with the idiots who think that anarchy is good. It's too bad you live safe and cozy wherever it is that your parents had the money to bring you up. Had you actually lived through being in actual physical danger in a mob you might actually have a clue.
On the other hand, probably not. Most victims in a mob are not those outside it but the weak within it. You're not intelligent enough to avoid becoming a victim.
Never been caught in a mob have you? There are no rules in a mob.
The difference between a group of individuals & a mob is the anonymity that individuals in a mob enjoy. As hundreds of studies and countless mobs have shown, normal people do things when they think that they are anonymous that they would never do otherwise. Some people dream of tossing molotos into inhabited buildings but they're not ususlly considered normal.
Clicking on a fastflip opening FF in full page annoyed me too at first. I then discovered that the left/right keys flipped subjects quickly in FP mode. My habit was to read through the main Google news page opening interesting pages in new tabs, then open FF full page, scan quickly through the pages opening the interesting stuff in new tabs again.
Using it this way I discovered a lot of news that never made the front page without having to open all the section/topic pages to scan them too. With the loss of FF I'll miss out on these subjects as opening & scanning each section/topic page takes too long.
You neen to think more if you don't realize that WL's model is mob rule. The difference between a group of individuals and a mob is anonymity. Having all leaks hidden behind WL would be just as bad for society long term as not being able to confront your accuser in court.
Pulling a khadaffi is disappearing into thin air while continuing to issue predictions of doom for all his adversaries from hiding. I coined it myself and feel it's fairly apt as a description of Assange's past behavior before he agreed to hose arrest in that posh manor he is in now. If you don't like my phrase feel free to come up with your own. I'd suggest puling a bush but that's clearly worn out by now.
Since you decided to descend into ignorant insults, here's my reply: Va te faire mettre par ton père enfant dégénéré d'une pute vérolé et d'un père ana psclérosé.
Sorry if that flies way over your head. You should be used to not understanding the conversations around you given the absence of intelligence you display.
The problem with WL is that it is way too easy to pervert by selective publishing by the people in control of it (as Assange has proven) or even by outside entities that use it in a dirty tricks type campaign. In other words, Free Press YES, WL No.
You're living proof that the research featured recently on/. that people will refuse to accept evidence when it contradicts their ideology.
The outing of Tsvangirai's conversations helped Mugabe isolate him but you'll just discount the welfare of those suffering under Mugabe because it disagrees with your worldview.
You miss the point. The guardian had to get the real password so that they could open it but Assange told them that the password would only work for a short time which was reinforced by the file only being available at the URL he gave the guardian for a short time.
The negligent stupidity is in not deleting the archive encoded with the passwd he gave the quardian, assuming that moving it to a "hidden" directory would protect it then mirroring the entire server to the internet & then not communicating to the guardian the now critical info that the password he gave them matched the file widely distributed to the internet.
Just as you can also trust those who want to replace those in authority like Assange, hmmm? After all all you have to do is claim to be against the established powers to prove to the gullible that you are better than the establishment...
Mike Godwin, the creator of Godwin's Law, says that your common sense is wrong:
Mentioning Hitler when it is appropriate like when comparing genocidal dictators is not covered by the law. It's the glib comparisons like that of your "common sense" that should be avoided.
You're forgetting to blame Assange's: Negligent stupidity in releasing the data dump to the guardian with a "cute" & supposedly time limited password & then to torrent with the same password. Outrageous hypocrisy in exposing the secrets of others while expecting his own to remain secret.
He cannot escape guilt by saying "I was just following orders" -- he gave the orders.
Amazing. The outrageous hypocrisy in living off exposing the secrets of others while expecting others to keep YOUR secrets hidden flies right over your (and Assange's) head. WP exists to destroy the trust people have in other organizations that publicly say A but practice B in private. However, you cannot destroy the trust in others unless people trust YOU to be worthy of trust. Danté reserved the lowest Circle of Hell for the liars because they destroy the trust in others that is needed to make society work. WL deserves the beating it is taking for being both morally & technically inept.
You're clearly correct tick-tock, but the ideological blinders (Wikileake GOOD, all else BAD) the GP & many others are wearing prevents them from seeing it.
There was a recent/. article about research that showed that people discounted data that conflicted with their world view. Here's more proof that the research is valid.
Clueless/.ers who post without having read enough on the subject to learn the facts of the matter have the slowest intellects in the world. Some environmentalists among them knee jerk to reactions just as pavlovian as those always spouting off THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!
I don't care whether you have a brass guitar, an ivory keyed piano or an ostrich plume sticking out of your butt. I would appreciate it however if you could contain your weeping on subject X until you learn whether the article submitter & the journalist behind TFA are as full of it as they were this time.
A larger problem is that all the certs that are delivered in Firefox are hard coded (will come back as soon as you quit + relaunch firefox) and have been multiplying.
This more than anything else is pushing me to abandon firefox for Chrome which has many fewer cert authorities that I see no reason to trust.
Comodo has already proven themselves to be insufficiently competent. Now why the hell should I trust Turktrust?? Hong Kong Post?!? Chungwa Telecom?!? CNNIC?!?
First off, you don't get to define what is & what isn't religious. Reducing the miraculous in his copy in no way makes TJ less religious. Many christian faiths take miracles in the bible to be parables on faith and not as the literal truth. Their beliefs are no less religious than jehova's witnesses who do believe that the bible is the literal truth and word of god. TJ's faith is thus not called into question by your after the fact reinterpretation.
Secondly, you betray your monoglot outlook by referring to ML's work as a mere "translation". Word choice when translating has everything to do with the spirituality of the result and it is more work than you give it credit. It also clearly escaped you that the choice of the subject matter is largely influenced by the spirituality of the translator. ML chose the bible. You, I'd guess would be more at home translating C# into ruby.
Lastly, as weird as it is to those outside their faith, the book of Mormon the cornerstone of a major faith IS part of their bible, and JS was clearly the author. Once again, YOU do not get to decide.
So back my original points - you clearly confuse your opinion with fact - you are mistaken when you describe TJ as not being particularly religious
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Lol, Pot, Kettle... Or more probably it is your preconceptions that limit you and you accuse me of having preconceptions to avoid confronting your own.
The difference between you and I is not a question of any preconceptions, it's that you haven't given thought to the consequences of the positions you hold, while I have. I don't have to know where you live to deduce from your positions & avowed lack of real world experience that you haven't got a clue about the end results of your current positions would be. It has also become clear that instead of looking at using the subjects we have discussed from different angles and reasoning out a coherent position, you consider your positions to be valid -- because they are your current positions. It's depressingly common: From the fundie christians to the radical islamists all the way to the communists with with their dialectic many rely on others to do your thinking for them.
Grrr... /.'s new editing system ate my last reply. this will be shorter ...
Why is it that WL hasn't come out with any significant stories on any countries without a free press? is it that a free press is necessary for WL to function? Is it that there are no stories from Russia for example? Is it a lack of courage? Why is this not a problem for you?
If WL is a successful it will be become generalized down to local levels? It has become a truism that in modern society everyone is guilty of something. What exactly will stop the powerful from searching out the information implicating anyone large or small and anonymously sending it to a WL that will publish it?
These are much larger questions that not only are you not answering, you don't appear to even ask yourself the questions. Forgive me but your willingness to take risks without considering the consequences is frightening
I don't have to let anyone else define what anarchy is, unlike you I've seen it first hand. What has become perfectly clear is that you have no idea what you're talking about. Like the deluded few others I have met with similar views you're powerless to affect society in any meaningful way so instead of working within the process to help society as a whole you identify with the idiots who think that anarchy is good. It's too bad you live safe and cozy wherever it is that your parents had the money to bring you up. Had you actually lived through being in actual physical danger in a mob you might actually have a clue.
On the other hand, probably not. Most victims in a mob are not those outside it but the weak within it. You're not intelligent enough to avoid becoming a victim.
Never been caught in a mob have you? There are no rules in a mob.
The difference between a group of individuals & a mob is the anonymity that individuals in a mob enjoy. As hundreds of studies and countless mobs have shown, normal people do things when they think that they are anonymous that they would never do otherwise. Some people dream of tossing molotos into inhabited buildings but they're not ususlly considered normal.
Clicking on a fastflip opening FF in full page annoyed me too at first. I then discovered that the left/right keys flipped subjects quickly in FP mode. My habit was to read through the main Google news page opening interesting pages in new tabs, then open FF full page, scan quickly through the pages opening the interesting stuff in new tabs again.
Using it this way I discovered a lot of news that never made the front page without having to open all the section/topic pages to scan them too. With the loss of FF I'll miss out on these subjects as opening & scanning each section/topic page takes too long.
You neen to think more if you don't realize that WL's model is mob rule. The difference between a group of individuals and a mob is anonymity.
Having all leaks hidden behind WL would be just as bad for society long term as not being able to confront your accuser in court.
Still bagging groceries or have you moved up to working at the carwash? I wouldn't want to forget to tip you what you're worth next time...
Pulling a khadaffi is disappearing into thin air while continuing to issue predictions of doom for all his adversaries from hiding. I coined it myself and feel it's fairly apt as a description of Assange's past behavior before he agreed to hose arrest in that posh manor he is in now. If you don't like my phrase feel free to come up with your own. I'd suggest puling a bush but that's clearly worn out by now.
Since you decided to descend into ignorant insults, here's my reply: Va te faire mettre par ton père enfant dégénéré d'une pute vérolé et d'un père ana psclérosé.
Sorry if that flies way over your head. You should be used to not understanding the conversations around you given the absence of intelligence you display.
Too bad about fast flip, I found a number of interesting stories that I would never have seen otherwise.
So instead of fighting to defend a free press we degenerate into mob rule? No thanks, I'm not willing to let anarchy rule
Wikileaks, maybe, Assange definitely not.
The problem with WL is that it is way too easy to pervert by selective publishing by the people in control of it (as Assange has proven) or even by outside entities that use it in a dirty tricks type campaign. In other words, Free Press YES, WL No.
You're living proof that the research featured recently on /. that people will refuse to accept evidence when it contradicts their ideology.
The outing of Tsvangirai's conversations helped Mugabe isolate him but you'll just discount the welfare of those suffering under Mugabe because it disagrees with your worldview.
You miss the point. The guardian had to get the real password so that they could open it but Assange told them that the password would only work for a short time which was reinforced by the file only being available at the URL he gave the guardian for a short time.
The negligent stupidity is in not deleting the archive encoded with the passwd he gave the quardian, assuming that moving it to a "hidden" directory would protect it then mirroring the entire server to the internet & then not communicating to the guardian the now critical info that the password he gave them matched the file widely distributed to the internet.
Just as you can also trust those who want to replace those in authority like Assange, hmmm? After all all you have to do is claim to be against the established powers to prove to the gullible that you are better than the establishment...
Assange, obviously, because he says so.
Mike Godwin, the creator of Godwin's Law, says that your common sense is wrong:
Mentioning Hitler when it is appropriate like when comparing genocidal dictators is not covered by the law. It's the glib comparisons like that of your "common sense" that should be avoided.
You're forgetting to blame Assange's:
Negligent stupidity in releasing the data dump to the guardian with a "cute" & supposedly time limited password & then to torrent with the same password.
Outrageous hypocrisy in exposing the secrets of others while expecting his own to remain secret.
He cannot escape guilt by saying "I was just following orders" -- he gave the orders.
But you see, Assange has this God complex that gives him the right to decide what the rules are.
I'm hoping that Assange receives the same fate as the innocents he has now exposed to harm.
Does anyone know if he is still living on the grounds of the mansion that the UK judges released him to or has he pulled a Khadaffi?
Amazing. The outrageous hypocrisy in living off exposing the secrets of others while expecting others to keep YOUR secrets hidden flies right over your (and Assange's) head. WP exists to destroy the trust people have in other organizations that publicly say A but practice B in private. However, you cannot destroy the trust in others unless people trust YOU to be worthy of trust.
Danté reserved the lowest Circle of Hell for the liars because they destroy the trust in others that is needed to make society work. WL deserves the beating it is taking for being both morally & technically inept.
You're clearly correct tick-tock, but the ideological blinders (Wikileake GOOD, all else BAD) the GP & many others are wearing prevents them from seeing it.
There was a recent /. article about research that showed that people discounted data that conflicted with their world view. Here's more proof that the research is valid.
Clueless /.ers who post without having read enough on the subject to learn the facts of the matter have the slowest intellects in the world. Some environmentalists among them knee jerk to reactions just as pavlovian as those always spouting off THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!
As noted in posts by others, the reference to Madagascar ebony in TFA is a red herring. ALL the wood seized in the raid was from India:
http://m.timesofindia.com/PDATOI/articleshow/9756435.cms
I don't care whether you have a brass guitar, an ivory keyed piano or an ostrich plume sticking out of your butt. I would appreciate it however if you could contain your weeping on subject X until you learn whether the article submitter & the journalist behind TFA are as full of it as they were this time.
Mod parent up please!
Wow, just Wow, Diginotar appears to have been hacked a loong time ago & is only now discovering it!
A larger problem is that all the certs that are delivered in Firefox are hard coded (will come back as soon as you quit + relaunch firefox) and have been multiplying.
This more than anything else is pushing me to abandon firefox for Chrome which has many fewer cert authorities that I see no reason to trust.
Comodo has already proven themselves to be insufficiently competent. Now why the hell should I trust Turktrust?? Hong Kong Post?!? Chungwa Telecom?!? CNNIC?!?
First off, you don't get to define what is & what isn't religious. Reducing the miraculous in his copy in no way makes TJ less religious. Many christian faiths take miracles in the bible to be parables on faith and not as the literal truth. Their beliefs are no less religious than jehova's witnesses who do believe that the bible is the literal truth and word of god. TJ's faith is thus not called into question by your after the fact reinterpretation.
Secondly, you betray your monoglot outlook by referring to ML's work as a mere "translation". Word choice when translating has everything to do with the spirituality of the result and it is more work than you give it credit. It also clearly escaped you that the choice of the subject matter is largely influenced by the spirituality of the translator. ML chose the bible. You, I'd guess would be more at home translating C# into ruby.
Lastly, as weird as it is to those outside their faith, the book of Mormon the cornerstone of a major faith IS part of their bible, and JS was clearly the author. Once again, YOU do not get to decide.
So back my original points
- you clearly confuse your opinion with fact
- you are mistaken when you describe TJ as not being particularly religious