No, dude, I thought you had a very valid point. We are actually getting a lot of interest in our intranet solution, but ultimately that will still involve maintenance by the customer. That's the beauty of the Internet solution.
You don't have to buy any server hardware
You can arbitrarily scale your computational requests (as your app is running) from your desktop
It is a self-upgrading system at no cost to the client
Certainly an Intranet solution will involve more hassle for the user, but we are also going to allow people to launch against our servers/provider base from their own desktops (in which case an extra dedicated server is not necessary).
Well, we're going to pay people for the use of their computers, but we're also tackling problems with wider appeal like with our Compute Against Cancer campaign.
Noone cares what emacs developers think about vi development. Noone cares what Mozilla people say about Opera. Imlib2 developer thoughts on gdk-pixbuf matter not a whit!
Why do these *OPINIONS* continue to warrant/. coverage? They are two, distinct desktop systems. Let them evolve. Let them work together. But I don't give a rat's ass what RMS or his grandma think about either one!
If these were reasoned, objective discussions about the individual technical merits or shortcomings, that would be another (worthwhile) story.
A newspaper should be the maximum of information, and the minimum of comment. -- Richard Cobden
Is the versioning information that is often stored in Word documents. This allows "template" documents like contracts, offer letters, etc. to become sources of "extra" data if the originator starts with an existing version and overwrites it! This happened with me once. A co-worker got a copy-and-overwritten offer letter that had my specifics in it when he viewed it under vi.
MORAL: Always start from clean documents (or turn the versioning off if you can)
A new event notification facility called kqueue was added to the FreeBSD kernel. This is a new interface which is able to replace poll/select, offering improved performance, as well as the ability to report many different types of events. Support for monitoring changes in sockets, pipes, fifos, and files are present, as well as for signals and processes.
A new event notification facility called kqueue was added to the FreeBSD kernel. This is a new interface which is able to replace poll/select, offering improved performance, as well as the ability to report many different types of events. Support for monitoring changes in sockets, pipes, fifos, and files are present, as well as for signals and processes.
Even more, can you imagine sitting in an office with one or more other people talking to their computers?!?! I understand that there will be some uses, but I think non-verbal communication will continue to rule the office/public environments.
You completely missed the point of my message. You read into it things that weren't there. Get the chip off your shoulder and re-read it. Never did I question the validity of pure research, pure solutions, etc. I was considering the economic realities of doing this stuff. So that this conversation doesn't continue to be irrelevant and unrelated to my original post, let's enumerate my points again.
There aren't many pure math jobs
There aren't many people who can solve these problems
People need to throw themselves at these problems to solve them
This requires external funding
Whence comes that funding?
Why?
Do you see that nowhere in there did I even insinuate these weren't problems worth solving? I was asking a question of who would pay people to solve them. There is a definitely a celebrity status associated with it. Celebrities get endorsements. Perhaps we will get into a model where we have corporate-sponsored mathematical celebrities like we do athletic and entertainment celebrities. That was the purpose of my post. Apparently you missed that purpose entirely. *THUS* I lamented the decline of reading comprehension out there. I'm sorry if you feel like I've insulted your education. Try reading without reacting; that's a good start.
This whole "contest" is fascinating. On the one hand, fewer and fewer people are able to make a living as mathematicians. On the other hand, to solve these kinds of problems, one has to throw oneself at them whole-heartedly. It does seem like the money should come up front to support those capable of such solutions; somewhat of a mathematical patronage. But, the question then becomes one of purpose. I love the notion of solving these kinds of problems, but to whom is it worth a million dollars? As the problems become harder and more abstract, solvable by fewer people, the tangible benefit seems to tend toward naught. It is a little akin to mountain climbing expeditions. It serves a corporation no direct benefit to sponsor these trips. Are we going to make the transition from contest to corporate-sponsored mathematicians?
I had very mixed experiences with Atipa too. I went to them because they supported FreeBSD. I never received a cable connecting my CD-ROM to my sound card (not a big deal -- but I was told several times that it had been shipped!!!!) and I was told that the HP-8100i was supported under FreeBSD (I even asked for clarification on this point several times). Once I had it, I was told I had to upgrade to 3.0 get the support. To this day, I can't burn audio with it, but I can at least do backups. On the one hand, Kevin was very helpful (I had *LOTS* of weird little problems). On the other, I came away ultimately dissatisfied. Now, they are in a different state and focus on Linux. What the hell?
I usually get frustrated by the way Katz is treated by self-important/.'ers, but I think this was an article that could have been dropped in the bit bucket. Not a whole lot of new thoughts on the subject; mostly well-worn re-hashings of nebulous fear. The ethical consequences of technical innovations are worthy topics, but this was nothing new.
Is to alert Webmasters who use these extensions that you would like to take advantage of their services, but they have made a choice that prevents you from doing so. Not all will care. Some will. If enough people say this politely, they may get the picture.
Hemos' dismissive comment notwithstanding, I wanted to explain what is meant by the "Musical Costume". Phish has done this for many of the last several Halloweens. It involves them "becoming" another band for the second set of their show by playing an entire album. Over time they have become The Beatles ("The White Album"), The Who ("Quadrophenia"), The Talking Heads ("Remain in Light"), Pink Floyd ("Dark Side of the Moon"), and the Velvet Underground ("Loaded"). Some of these presentations are note-for-note replicas (a non-trivial effort) and some are more interpretive. *ALL* of them are very cool, fun musical exercises. It is always a secret until the show.
Incidentally, I also wanted to point out that one of the things that make Phish interesting musically is the playfulness with which they approach their art. It is not a far stretch to think of it as hacking the music. They construct musical metaphors (not that they originated the concept -- consider Ravel/Mussgorsky's "Pictures at an Exhibition") and explore the theme musically. Some of the metaphors have included being in a maze, freezing, melting, and bouncing. Quite obviously these are not complex themes, but it is fascinating how they choose to interpret them. This of course says nothing about their technical mastery, professionalism, and jaw-dropping light shows. A chacun sont gout(to each his own), but there is a hell of a lot more to these guys than the usually dismissive "hippie, Dead-like jam band" allusions.
I too am a non-parentally dependent, non-drug using Phish phan. It frustrates me to see Slashdot repeatedly pelted with ignorant generalizations from self-styled "smart people". This community chafes at unfair generalizations (partly grounded in reality) directed at it. Let's try to present a more positive image; it will do nothing but help the efforts of everyone involved. Kurt Vonnegut once said "profanity just gives people a reason not to listen to you". The same could be said about the way the open source community is perceived. If we are dismissed as immature, fringe lunatics, we will have less of an audience and consequently, less influence.
> Baloney. Non-support is not censorship. It is if you pull support based on opinion.
What else would you call it?
Art that challenges people isn't always popular. That is why it needs the subsidies.
I'm not content to live in a world where "Friends" and monster truck pulls are our most challenging experiences just because that is what the market bears.
> These are particularly eggregious examples of > the poor paying for the upper class' > entertainment through their taxes. Whereas rich people's taxes don't have any kind of positive affect upon poor people's lives?
By your argument, we should just let them starve. Screw 'em if they can't compete.
Slashdot Mirror
Certainly an Intranet solution will involve more hassle for the user, but we are also going to allow people to launch against our servers/provider base from their own desktops (in which case an extra dedicated server is not necessary).
You can read our new white papers (API and platform) at: http://www.parabon.com
Well, we're going to pay people for the use of their computers, but we're also tackling problems with wider appeal like with our Compute Against Cancer campaign.
See http://www.parabon.com for more info.
Is how quickly they'll get fixed.
Yes, what we need is blind idolatry. That'll serve us well.
Noone cares what emacs developers think about vi development. Noone cares what Mozilla people say about Opera. Imlib2 developer thoughts on gdk-pixbuf matter not a whit!
/. coverage? They are two, distinct desktop systems. Let them evolve. Let them work together. But I don't give a rat's ass what RMS or his grandma think about either one!
Why do these *OPINIONS* continue to warrant
If these were reasoned, objective discussions about the individual technical merits or shortcomings, that would be another (worthwhile) story.
A newspaper should be the maximum of information, and the minimum of comment. -- Richard Cobden
Is the versioning information that is often stored in Word documents. This allows "template" documents like contracts, offer letters, etc. to become sources of "extra" data if the originator starts with an existing version and overwrites it! This happened with me once. A co-worker got a copy-and-overwritten offer letter that had my specifics in it when he viewed it under vi.
MORAL: Always start from clean documents (or turn the versioning off if you can)
Noone has mentioned this yet:
A new event notification facility called kqueue was added to the
FreeBSD kernel. This is a new interface which is able to replace
poll/select, offering improved performance, as well as the ability
to report many different types of events. Support for monitoring
changes in sockets, pipes, fifos, and files are present, as well as
for signals and processes.
Also, noone has mentioned this yet:
A new event notification facility called kqueue was added to the
FreeBSD kernel. This is a new interface which is able to replace
poll/select, offering improved performance, as well as the ability
to report many different types of events. Support for monitoring
changes in sockets, pipes, fifos, and files are present, as well as
for signals and processes.
GOF = "Gang of Four"
Gamma, Vlissides, Johnson and Helm
The book is called Design Patterns : Elements of Reusable Object-Oriented Software .
Not to point out the obvious, but "Design Patterns" by Gamma et al. is an equally appropriate place to start.
Even more, can you imagine sitting in an office with one or more other people talking to their computers?!?! I understand that there will be some uses, but I think non-verbal communication will continue to rule the office/public environments.
Vote with your wallet.
Companies that do not behave shouldn't get your money. Even if they make cool games.
Just because it is legal for them to act that way doesn't mean they should.
There aren't many pure math jobs
There aren't many people who can solve these problems
People need to throw themselves at these problems to solve them
This requires external funding
Whence comes that funding?
Why?
Do you see that nowhere in there did I even insinuate these weren't problems worth solving? I was asking a question of who would pay people to solve them. There is a definitely a celebrity status associated with it. Celebrities get endorsements. Perhaps we will get into a model where we have corporate-sponsored mathematical celebrities like we do athletic and entertainment celebrities. That was the purpose of my post. Apparently you missed that purpose entirely. *THUS* I lamented the decline of reading comprehension out there. I'm sorry if you feel like I've insulted your education. Try reading without reacting; that's a good start.
Reading comprehension is a lost art.
This whole "contest" is fascinating. On the one hand, fewer and fewer people are able to make a living as mathematicians. On the other hand, to solve these kinds of problems, one has to throw oneself at them whole-heartedly. It does seem like the money should come up front to support those capable of such solutions; somewhat of a mathematical patronage. But, the question then becomes one of purpose. I love the notion of solving these kinds of problems, but to whom is it worth a million dollars? As the problems become harder and more abstract, solvable by fewer people, the tangible benefit seems to tend toward naught. It is a little akin to mountain climbing expeditions. It serves a corporation no direct benefit to sponsor these trips. Are we going to make the transition from contest to corporate-sponsored mathematicians?
Perhaps getting the story straight before posting it might be the correct approach.
I had very mixed experiences with Atipa too. I went to them because they supported FreeBSD. I never received a cable connecting my CD-ROM to my sound card (not a big deal -- but I was told several times that it had been shipped!!!!) and I was told that the HP-8100i was supported under FreeBSD (I even asked for clarification on this point several times). Once I had it, I was told I had to upgrade to 3.0 get the support. To this day, I can't burn audio with it, but I can at least do backups. On the one hand, Kevin was very helpful (I had *LOTS* of weird little problems). On the other, I came away ultimately dissatisfied. Now, they are in a different state and focus on Linux. What the hell?
I usually get frustrated by the way Katz is treated by self-important /.'ers, but I think this was an article that could have been dropped in the bit bucket. Not a whole lot of new thoughts on the subject; mostly well-worn re-hashings of nebulous fear. The ethical consequences of technical innovations are worthy topics, but this was nothing new.
Is to alert Webmasters who use these extensions that you would like to take advantage of their services, but they have made a choice that prevents you from doing so. Not all will care. Some will. If enough people say this politely, they may get the picture.
Hemos' dismissive comment notwithstanding, I wanted to explain what is meant by the "Musical Costume". Phish has done this for many of the last several Halloweens. It involves them "becoming" another band for the second set of their show by playing an entire album. Over time they have become The Beatles ("The White Album"), The Who ("Quadrophenia"), The Talking Heads ("Remain in Light"), Pink Floyd ("Dark Side of the Moon"), and the Velvet Underground ("Loaded"). Some of these presentations are note-for-note replicas (a non-trivial effort) and some are more interpretive. *ALL* of them are very cool, fun musical exercises. It is always a secret until the show.
Incidentally, I also wanted to point out that one of the things that make Phish interesting musically is the playfulness with which they approach their art. It is not a far stretch to think of it as hacking the music. They construct musical metaphors (not that they originated the concept -- consider Ravel/Mussgorsky's "Pictures at an Exhibition") and explore the theme musically. Some of the metaphors have included being in a maze, freezing, melting, and bouncing. Quite obviously these are not complex themes, but it is fascinating how they choose to interpret them. This of course says nothing about their technical mastery, professionalism, and jaw-dropping light shows. A chacun sont gout(to each his own), but there is a hell of a lot more to these guys than the usually dismissive "hippie, Dead-like jam band" allusions.
I too am a non-parentally dependent, non-drug using Phish phan. It frustrates me to see Slashdot repeatedly pelted with ignorant generalizations from self-styled "smart people". This community chafes at unfair generalizations (partly grounded in reality) directed at it. Let's try to present a more positive image; it will do nothing but help the efforts of everyone involved. Kurt Vonnegut once said "profanity just gives people a reason not to listen to you". The same could be said about the way the open source community is perceived. If we are dismissed as immature, fringe lunatics, we will have less of an audience and consequently, less influence.
> for some dirty hippies with lousy music.
You have no clue.
Phish has incredibly complex and powerful music.
Besides that, they have been pushing "open source" longer than most of the cranky punks around here have been potty trained.
> Or is there a mailinglist with a web interface/archive?
You can search the 20+ mailing lists at:
http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html
Or, if you have sufficient amounts of freetime, just browse the archives at:
http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/
> Baloney. Non-support is not censorship.
It is if you pull support based on opinion.
What else would you call it?
Art that challenges people isn't always popular. That is why it needs the subsidies.
I'm not content to live in a world where "Friends" and monster truck pulls are our most challenging experiences just because that is what the market bears.
> These are particularly eggregious examples of
> the poor paying for the upper class'
> entertainment through their taxes.
Whereas rich people's taxes don't have any kind of positive affect upon poor people's lives?
By your argument, we should just let them starve. Screw 'em if they can't compete.