Yet surprisingly no one in any of the countries have said unencrypted data is leaving their devices. Considering these are corporations who are paying for this security it would be pretty big news if any of them lost it. Especially without their consent. This isn't something that is only in RIMs and the Governments hands that they could cover up. The devices are in the hands of the people. If anything even remotely close to what is being suggested in this thread and in the OP was going on we would know about it and have definitive proof. Instead we have a bunch of conspiracy theory's suggesting RIM is decrypting and selling data. Has installed backdoors to leak data. Is setting up servers to backup and decrypt data...blah blah blah blah blah. And not a single shred of evidence to support any of these theories.
Pretty serious allegation towards one of, if not the biggest corporation in a country with laws against such actions. Any proof whatsoever that you're correct here? Saying things doesn't make them true. "Maybe you'll get a unicorn too.". Or maybe you can give me the one you have in your backyard....you can keep the tinfoil hat you have on it.
engadget: How does setting up a server inside the country prove they backdoored the product? The encryption keys are held by the corporation. If you're trying to say RIM is decrypting the data and handing it over to the government, they could have done that from servers in Canada. Or even better just show the government how to do it if thats the case. The data has to go through hops in that country. If you're talking about BIS and not BES, you'd be surprised to learn that most of the data is not encrypted at all.
v3: This says they're in talks with the government, but again the corporation has the keys so this article is just as meaningless as the second one.
RIM doesn't have corporate encryption keys, so I'm not sure where you're going with this. BlackBerry's are setup by the company directly with the BES without help from RIM. Where RIM comes in is a a middle man between the BES and BlackBerry. The scenario is as follows:
BES Connects to RIM,
BlackBerry Connects to RIM,
BES can now communication through RIM servers with the BlackBerry as long as it has been set up with the BES by the company.
The traffic is encrypted and RIM doesn't have the keys. Who is this 3rd party you speak of with keys to the data?
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Yet surprisingly no one in any of the countries have said unencrypted data is leaving their devices. Considering these are corporations who are paying for this security it would be pretty big news if any of them lost it. Especially without their consent. This isn't something that is only in RIMs and the Governments hands that they could cover up. The devices are in the hands of the people. If anything even remotely close to what is being suggested in this thread and in the OP was going on we would know about it and have definitive proof. Instead we have a bunch of conspiracy theory's suggesting RIM is decrypting and selling data. Has installed backdoors to leak data. Is setting up servers to backup and decrypt data...blah blah blah blah blah. And not a single shred of evidence to support any of these theories.
Pretty serious allegation towards one of, if not the biggest corporation in a country with laws against such actions. Any proof whatsoever that you're correct here? Saying things doesn't make them true. "Maybe you'll get a unicorn too.". Or maybe you can give me the one you have in your backyard....you can keep the tinfoil hat you have on it.
"Sent out as a WAP Push message". Anyone can push WAP messages...concluding that this was RIM is ridiculous.
engadget: How does setting up a server inside the country prove they backdoored the product? The encryption keys are held by the corporation. If you're trying to say RIM is decrypting the data and handing it over to the government, they could have done that from servers in Canada. Or even better just show the government how to do it if thats the case. The data has to go through hops in that country. If you're talking about BIS and not BES, you'd be surprised to learn that most of the data is not encrypted at all. v3: This says they're in talks with the government, but again the corporation has the keys so this article is just as meaningless as the second one.
RIM doesn't have corporate encryption keys, so I'm not sure where you're going with this. BlackBerry's are setup by the company directly with the BES without help from RIM. Where RIM comes in is a a middle man between the BES and BlackBerry. The scenario is as follows: BES Connects to RIM, BlackBerry Connects to RIM, BES can now communication through RIM servers with the BlackBerry as long as it has been set up with the BES by the company. The traffic is encrypted and RIM doesn't have the keys. Who is this 3rd party you speak of with keys to the data?