I wonder if I'm the only other person here who either knows what NOLS is or has been on a NOLS course.
NOLS is the National Outdoor Leadership School, and teaches leadership skills in the outdoors. Take a look at their main page for more info. I took one of their courses back in 1973, and it changed my life.
Laugh if you like, but Xenix was a viable pc-based version of Unix long before Linux was a gleam in Linus's eye. It worked when MS said it couldn't be done.
I sold & installed a number of Xenix systems in the 80's, and a lowly 286 with 16 meg of memory was able to support at least 16 terminals, with very reasonable response time.
Don't make these statements without knowing the problem. There are a lot of people who use GUI toolkit, Just because you don't like them, doesn't mean that they are dead.
GUI toolkits have many advantages over a browser-based front end. As a simple example, there can be some fairly complex validation and verification functions which may be doable in the front end, and reduce the need to load up the server with the validation and verification.
There is no "correct" way to create a program. Each application needs to be evaluated on it's own needs and merits.
The application in question states that it is a fairly rich GUI front end. This may be too complex for a browser-based app. Yes, browser-based apps do have their advantages, but they also have disadvantages.
I've looked into this too. The toolkit I am leaning towards is V, located at http://www.objectcentral.com. Well supported, and is under continous development.
I have been a long-time user and reseller of SCO products. One of my big concerns is the high cost of SCO Unix for a small installation. Small in this case is a single machine in an office network environment with a few machines networked to the system.
Considering that a good Linux installation is either free or less than $150, will the movement of SCO into the Open Source arena mean that the price of the O/S will drop? How will the new marketplace affect the price of SCO's products?
Say what you will about SCO, but they have been in business for nearly/over (not sure which) 20 years. In that time they had a multi-user/multi-tasking OS called Xenix which ran on the lowly 286, at a time when MS said it couldn't be done, and before OS/2 was ever released.
I applaud this initiative, and hope that they continue to support the community.
X is not a GUI. X is a networking protocol for networking gui commands. What you are referring to is the Window Manager, and in case you are blind or have had your head in the sand for the past few years, there are several very nice window managers. Let see, there are KDE, Gnome, Enlightment (which runs on top of Gnome), both of these are now pretty standard with most of the major distributions, and a number of others. KDE is pretty enough, and powerful enough for most people to use. Gnome (which I don't use that much) is pretty much in the same league.
You know, you're rather bigoted. Either that, or you have no conception of the limitations of public transit. Except in major cities, public transit is limited to major routes, etc. What about getting to public transit? What about if you want to go from point A to point C, which would be a 15 minute drive, but if you have to take public transit you have to go from point A to point B, and then to point C, which would be an hour drive?
Try public transit and see how useful it is, and also how limited it is.
If YOU were running one big site, maybe not. But what about if you are hosting multiple sites? You could give each customer a virtual server on which they can do whatever they want, and won't be able to access/damage anyone else.
That's why big companies have multiple sites with redundancy. As much as you put them down, mainframers have been around for a very long time, and have learned how to run real mission critical applications. Of course, a single complex can be destroyed. But short of actual physical destruction, the mainframes are pretty much unstoppable.
You need to check your facts. Microsoft has lost in the palmtops: WinCE has about 10% of the market, PalmOS has 90%. MS just renamed WinCE to Windows Powered.
I also question the cable boxes, and since the X box won't be out for at least another 18 months, who knows what will happen in the gaming console market.
It's FUD. They are announcing it 18 months in advance of their "projected" delivery date. I think that MS is scared of the Playstation 2 and the Nintendo 64 as well as the Dolphin. They don't want to lose control of the desktop, but these new game consoles are so powerful they can replace many home PCs. So MS announces the X box (as they've done many times in the past with other products), hoping that consumers will decide to wait. I'm giving 50-50 odds that the X box will never be released, it will just wither and die on the vine.
I disagree with your analysis, but not necessarily your conclusion. In order to compare two different video boards you have to run both on the same platform. You are running each board on a different platform, and therefore your conclusions are suspect.
One of the things these hardware sites do is compare apples to apples, with no differences other than what they are comparing. I personally like Tom's Hardware for reviews.
I had the previous Asus, the V6400 (TNT based board) with TV out. The support was pretty good, the TV got a good signal. I can only assume that they will keep their quality up with the V6800 also.
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I wonder if I'm the only other person here who either knows what NOLS is or has been on a NOLS course.
NOLS is the National Outdoor Leadership School, and teaches leadership skills in the outdoors. Take a look at their main page for more info.
I took one of their courses back in 1973, and it changed my life.
Huh???? Success of CE???? Where have you been the last few years?
CE has less than 10% of the market, Palm OS has nearly 90%.
I don't know what you are thinking of, but SCO Xenix/Unix have used the Alt-F1 through Alt-F... since the early 80's.
Laugh if you like, but Xenix was a viable pc-based version of Unix long before Linux was a gleam in Linus's eye. It worked when MS said it couldn't be done.
I sold & installed a number of Xenix systems in the 80's, and a lowly 286 with 16 meg of memory was able to support at least 16 terminals, with very reasonable response time.
Don't make these statements without knowing the problem. There are a lot of people who use GUI toolkit, Just because you don't like them, doesn't mean that they are dead.
GUI toolkits have many advantages over a browser-based front end. As a simple example, there can be some fairly complex validation and verification functions which may be doable in the front end, and reduce the need to load up the server with the validation and verification.
There is no "correct" way to create a program. Each application needs to be evaluated on it's own needs and merits.
The application in question states that it is a fairly rich GUI front end. This may be too complex for a browser-based app.
Yes, browser-based apps do have their advantages, but they also have disadvantages.
Is Motif available for Windows?
I've looked into this too. The toolkit I am leaning towards is V, located at http://www.objectcentral.com. Well supported, and is under continous development.
I just placed my order about an hour ago. I had no problems ordering on the site.
I just wish I knew when my credit card will be charged, now or when the game ships.
Oh well, can't have everything.
JBB
I am, although I already have a DVD drive in my computer hooked up to my tv. I'd rather not have to turn the computer on to watch a video.
Not duh!
Sometimes it can't be fixed, if the problem is a fundemental implementation problem.
Besides, as a developer, I would rather be developing my app, not rewriting a database.
Oracle 8i is available for Linux, and while it is commercial, it does have a good reputation.
I wonder how many people will realize that dihydrogen monoxide is nothing more than water?
I have been a long-time user and reseller of SCO products. One of my big concerns is the high cost of SCO Unix for a small installation. Small in this case is a single machine in an office network environment with a few machines networked to the system.
Considering that a good Linux installation is either free or less than $150, will the movement of SCO into the Open Source arena mean that the price of the O/S will drop? How will the new marketplace affect the price of SCO's products?
If I hadn't responded to this thread I'd moderate you down.
Your comment is arrogant and uncalled for. Companies have to earn money. SCO is in the Unix business. Why bash them for a good deed?
Say what you will about SCO, but they have been in business for nearly/over (not sure which) 20 years. In that time they had a multi-user/multi-tasking OS called Xenix which ran on the lowly 286, at a time when MS said it couldn't be done, and before OS/2 was ever released.
I applaud this initiative, and hope that they continue to support the community.
X is not a GUI. X is a networking protocol for networking gui commands. What you are referring to is the Window Manager, and in case you are blind or have had your head in the sand for the past few years, there are several very nice window managers. Let see, there are KDE, Gnome, Enlightment (which runs on top of Gnome), both of these are now pretty standard with most of the major distributions, and a number of others. KDE is pretty enough, and powerful enough for most people to use. Gnome (which I don't use that much) is pretty much in the same league.
You know, you're rather bigoted. Either that, or you have no conception of the limitations of public transit. Except in major cities, public transit is limited to major routes, etc. What about getting to public transit? What about if you want to go from point A to point C, which would be a 15 minute drive, but if you have to take public transit you have to go from point A to point B, and then to point C, which would be an hour drive?
Try public transit and see how useful it is, and also how limited it is.
Excuse me while I stop giggling.
Ask any big business what they run their big batch jobs on. Most of them will say mainframes.
If YOU were running one big site, maybe not. But what about if you are hosting multiple sites? You could give each customer a virtual server on which they can do whatever they want, and won't be able to access/damage anyone else.
That's why big companies have multiple sites with redundancy. As much as you put them down, mainframers have been around for a very long time, and have learned how to run real mission critical applications. Of course, a single complex can be destroyed. But short of actual physical destruction, the mainframes are pretty much unstoppable.
You need to check your facts. Microsoft has lost in the palmtops: WinCE has about 10% of the market, PalmOS has 90%. MS just renamed WinCE to Windows Powered.
I also question the cable boxes, and since the X box won't be out for at least another 18 months, who knows what will happen in the gaming console market.
It's FUD. They are announcing it 18 months in advance of their "projected" delivery date. I think that MS is scared of the Playstation 2 and the Nintendo 64 as well as the Dolphin. They don't want to lose control of the desktop, but these new game consoles are so powerful they can replace many home PCs. So MS announces the X box (as they've done many times in the past with other products), hoping that consumers will decide to wait. I'm giving 50-50 odds that the X box will never be released, it will just wither and die on the vine.
I disagree with your analysis, but not necessarily your conclusion. In order to compare two different video boards you have to run both on the same platform. You are running each board on a different platform, and therefore your conclusions are suspect.
One of the things these hardware sites do is compare apples to apples, with no differences other than what they are comparing. I personally like Tom's Hardware for reviews.
I had the previous Asus, the V6400 (TNT based board) with TV out. The support was pretty good, the TV got a good signal. I can only assume that they will keep their quality up with the V6800 also.
The Geforce chip is Very, Very nice. It pastes 3DfX to a wall with their own spinal fluid and snaps the NVidia in
Hee, hee. Always amusing to see someone who doesn't know what they are talking about.
The GeForce chip is made by nVidia
And yes, it is very nice.