Actually, I was wrong.. What will happen is that the whole world will panic (and this movie will fuel the panic) and that will be our Y2K disaster.. Computers will hum away (except for when people turn them off due to paranoia) but the human race will head for the hills, withdraw their money from the bank and remove their shares from the stock market and the world will be thrown into financial turmoil. The third world will become the first world and the western world will be plunged into poverty and will hopefully learn a valuable lesson about undue panic.
We all know that the clock is going to tick around and nothing is going to happen except maybe a few files on some Windows boxes will have the wrong date-stamp...
How about the Java VM? Is that an operating system? It loads applications, it handles everything outside the program that is needed for it to interact with the rest of the computer.
How about kernel modules? Are they part of the operating system? Even if they just add nifty features to the computer and don't actually deal with hardware?
And to the guy that said only the kernel and a/bin/sh, what about other stuff that usually goes along with it like INIT, the login/authentication system, even inetd, is there really a line that can be drawn?
I remember back in high-school they taught about 'application software' and 'system software' but it's a very fuzzy line and I don't think I've ever heard a definition that satisfies..
How about the Java VM? Is that an operating system? It loads applications, it handles everything outside the program that is needed for it to interact with the rest of the computer.
How about kernel modules? Are they part of the operating system? Even if they just add nifty features to the computer and don't actually deal with hardware?
And to the guy that said only the kernel and a/bin/sh, what about other stuff that usually goes along with it like INIT, the login/authentication system, even inetd, is there really a line that can be drawn?
I think the thing that sadens me the most in this whole article and discussion is that people are constantly getting Christianity and the Church mixed up. Sounds to me like Katz and a bunch of others here have been cut by the church in one way or another.
Christianity (ie: believing in Christ) is all about freedom -- freedom from the 'rules' that really lead to insanity and freedom from the crap that can bog you down in life.
The Church on the other hand is our attempt of trying to put this into practice. It just so happens that when we want to put something into place we have this need to make rules about it (a nice example would be programming - how on earth do you program freedom when programming is all about rules?). When we make it into a set of rules it fails and we find ourselves in the same, if not a worse state that when we started. It seems to me that if the Church doesn't reinvent itself often enough it gets stuck into the same old rituals and traditions and thought patterns that lets people on the outside blame 'Christians' of being the 'moral guardians of society' when all Christians can say is that there is a better way. "Don't look at me to find it because I'm as imperfect as the rest of those on the planet".
Have a think about this for a moment:
God looked down on the earth and saw us all, he loved us so much, and wanted to be with us so much that he would do anything. The only problem was that we are full of that stuff thats causing the world to fall apart - hate (murder, war etc.), lust (family breakdown etc.), lying, theft, etc. etc. etc. You know what I'm talking about, we can all see it crumbling.. How could he, who was utterly perfect have a relationship with humans who had hearts that only seem to want to do what is opposite to him? So he came up with a solution, he sent his on and only Son, a human form of God onto the earth to tell us about him and finally to die to take the punishment for all the stuff we do wrong that we just cant help. That was done 2K years ago and we are living in times when God is chasing after each of us with a choice. On one hand he is saying "Come to me, I made it possible and I want to spend eternity with you, I love you so much that I would do anything to be with you!" and on the other "I really don't want to let you go, but if you can't except what I have done for you then you will have to take the punishment for yourself".
It's not about conformity, its about the uncomprehendable Love of a God who just wants to be in a relationship with you, thats all, thats what Jesus was all about. The deal is that we have free will, he gave that to us -- we can choose which way to go. And now, people look at the church and you see a bunch of 'do gooders' who just want to tell you what to do, yet it all started with Jesus coming and raising the stakes, showing us exactly how perfect God is and how imperfect we are and giving us the option of being able to be made perfect by him taking the rap for our imperfection. It's not about rules, it's aboue pure Love that doesn't ask for anything in return - and guess what, he's going to love you no matter what way you choose, he's just going to cry when he sees that you won't accept something so simple and free.
Thats exactly how it is for me. I was on a downward spiral of suicidal depression, I had nothing to love for (do you?), there was no point in prolonging the pain of living on this planet, I sucked, the world sucked, there was no hope. I had no love, I was just another outcast Geek who may as well have done the "Killing Spree Thing"(tm) when I was in school. But God found me and confronted me with the shocking truth - there is hope, there is love, there is something to live for and all I have to do is say "ok, I'll have it", and I did, and now I have hope, now I have love and now I have something to live for and whats more, I'm enjoying living! What more could I ask for?
So be careful when you look at the church and make blanket statement about Christians and Christ. I challenge you to pick up a new testament and tell me that Christanity if about something other than what I've just presented. If you don't have one to read, email me and I'll be more than happy to send you one.
Roddy
rvagg@grug.une.edu.au: Feel free to flame me, but if you have any questions, I'll be happy to answer them.
Ahh yes! The first PC I owned was a 386 with 2M of RAM, in first year uni I could afford 10 floppies, so I made trips back and forth from campus to home with my 10 floppies with slackware at a time.
Those were the days, I stayed up all night trying to figure this new beast out.. what a thrill! (err.. what a geek!)
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Thats a bit harsh for a simple spelling mistake! It's not as if he's programming a response.
Actually, I was wrong.. What will happen is that the whole world will panic (and this movie will fuel the panic) and that will be our Y2K disaster.. Computers will hum away (except for when people turn them off due to paranoia) but the human race will head for the hills, withdraw their money from the bank and remove their shares from the stock market and the world will be thrown into financial turmoil. The third world will become the first world and the western world will be plunged into poverty and will hopefully learn a valuable lesson about undue panic.
We all know that the clock is going to tick around and nothing is going to happen except maybe a few files on some Windows boxes will have the wrong date-stamp...
Argh! everyone panic!
How about the Java VM? Is that an operating system? It loads applications, it handles everything outside the program that is needed for it to interact with the rest of the computer.
/bin/sh, what about other stuff that usually goes along with it like INIT, the login/authentication system, even inetd, is there really a line that can be drawn?
How about kernel modules? Are they part of the operating system? Even if they just add nifty features to the computer and don't actually deal with hardware?
And to the guy that said only the kernel and a
I remember back in high-school they taught about 'application software' and 'system software' but it's a very fuzzy line and I don't think I've ever heard a definition that satisfies..
How about the Java VM? Is that an operating system? It loads applications, it handles everything outside the program that is needed for it to interact with the rest of the computer.
/bin/sh, what about other stuff that usually goes along with it like INIT, the login/authentication system, even inetd, is there really a line that can be drawn?
How about kernel modules? Are they part of the operating system? Even if they just add nifty features to the computer and don't actually deal with hardware?
And to the guy that said only the kernel and a
Christianity (ie: believing in Christ) is all about freedom -- freedom from the 'rules' that really lead to insanity and freedom from the crap that can bog you down in life.
The Church on the other hand is our attempt of trying to put this into practice. It just so happens that when we want to put something into place we have this need to make rules about it (a nice example would be programming - how on earth do you program freedom when programming is all about rules?). When we make it into a set of rules it fails and we find ourselves in the same, if not a worse state that when we started. It seems to me that if the Church doesn't reinvent itself often enough it gets stuck into the same old rituals and traditions and thought patterns that lets people on the outside blame 'Christians' of being the 'moral guardians of society' when all Christians can say is that there is a better way. "Don't look at me to find it because I'm as imperfect as the rest of those on the planet".
Have a think about this for a moment:
God looked down on the earth and saw us all, he loved us so much, and wanted to be with us so much that he would do anything. The only problem was that we are full of that stuff thats causing the world to fall apart - hate (murder, war etc.), lust (family breakdown etc.), lying, theft, etc. etc. etc. You know what I'm talking about, we can all see it crumbling.. How could he, who was utterly perfect have a relationship with humans who had hearts that only seem to want to do what is opposite to him? So he came up with a solution, he sent his on and only Son, a human form of God onto the earth to tell us about him and finally to die to take the punishment for all the stuff we do wrong that we just cant help. That was done 2K years ago and we are living in times when God is chasing after each of us with a choice. On one hand he is saying "Come to me, I made it possible and I want to spend eternity with you, I love you so much that I would do anything to be with you!" and on the other "I really don't want to let you go, but if you can't except what I have done for you then you will have to take the punishment for yourself".
It's not about conformity, its about the uncomprehendable Love of a God who just wants to be in a relationship with you, thats all, thats what Jesus was all about. The deal is that we have free will, he gave that to us -- we can choose which way to go. And now, people look at the church and you see a bunch of 'do gooders' who just want to tell you what to do, yet it all started with Jesus coming and raising the stakes, showing us exactly how perfect God is and how imperfect we are and giving us the option of being able to be made perfect by him taking the rap for our imperfection. It's not about rules, it's aboue pure Love that doesn't ask for anything in return - and guess what, he's going to love you no matter what way you choose, he's just going to cry when he sees that you won't accept something so simple and free.
Thats exactly how it is for me. I was on a downward spiral of suicidal depression, I had nothing to love for (do you?), there was no point in prolonging the pain of living on this planet, I sucked, the world sucked, there was no hope. I had no love, I was just another outcast Geek who may as well have done the "Killing Spree Thing"(tm) when I was in school. But God found me and confronted me with the shocking truth - there is hope, there is love, there is something to live for and all I have to do is say "ok, I'll have it", and I did, and now I have hope, now I have love and now I have something to live for and whats more, I'm enjoying living! What more could I ask for?
So be careful when you look at the church and make blanket statement about Christians and Christ. I challenge you to pick up a new testament and tell me that Christanity if about something other than what I've just presented. If you don't have one to read, email me and I'll be more than happy to send you one.
Roddy
rvagg@grug.une.edu.au: Feel free to flame me, but if you have any questions, I'll be happy to answer them.
Those were the days, I stayed up all night trying to figure this new beast out.. what a thrill! (err.. what a geek!)
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