I certainly do see what you mean... Let me ask you this (not intended as flame):
If things got so bad in America that the people really had to organize, use the internet (or any other form of speech) to inform eachother on how to overthrow the government and then coordinate their efforts, would it still be right for the government to try to stop them? who would decide? does it depend on a critical mass of citizens being in agreement? At what point does that agreement become illegal?
Good points. I probably started posting before I'd seen enough of the site that got this guy into trouble. Here is an archive.org cache of the site from last year.
http://web.archive.org/web/20020826014358/www.ra is ethefist.com/index1.html
That's a very valid point, but I think everyone has to admit that there is a slippery slope for freedom of speech. Our country has a tradition of civil disobdience, and it wasn't all peaceful. I'm wary of any government which is so worried about being overthrown. Earning the respect of the majority of citizens is the way to stay in power, not locking people up for distributing already widely available information.
"Remember, fascism and a police state doesn't come all at once, it comes piece by piece. How far will we allow it go until we are all locked up in concentration camps."
The government has basically forbid this guy from criticizing the system. I hope that this sends a message to everyone in the same situation to not plead down, and to raise as much hell as possible.
I recently registered Opera for Linux. It's nice to be rid of the ads, and they mailed me a mouse pad with a diagram of the mouse gestures printed on it.
We've been using rdesktop for a while now. We are in the process of converting a call center to linux desktops with rdesktop for accessing some windows applications (that were handled in a term serv client window before anyway...). It's fast, free and works great. http://www.rdesktop.org
also true... that's why it's important to be involved in your children's lives. and like anything else in life, a bit of common sense goes a long way. meet someone in a public place, never give your real name on the net, etc. etc.
good point... luckily everyone can remain anonymous if they like, and unless you already know the person irl, and accidentaly met them online, you don't ever have to see them again.
imho, meeting someone online is actually healthier than meeting someone for the first time irl. you can actually get to know someone before you have a chance to judge them by appearance.
i will feel so good knowing that my donation has allowed some dot com the opportunity to increase it's burn rate, even if it's just by 10 dollars a month...
i don't think that we should get into a semantic battle over this article. every obviously just intended to promote OS X, and he unintentionly made himself into flamebait in the process.
they haven't... but the rules are completely different now. they find it impossible to regulate information by themselves, and they need help. information wants to be free, and the US government is finding this out the hard way.
i think that you're right, and it's also a sign of a larger problem in our society. everyone is so afraid of lawsuits, that we've legislated common sense out of existence...
i program for an isp. we sell consumers access to information (advertisements) from third parties. this site is really about paying people to dig up information that will allow others to pirate methods of delivering advertisements to my consumers. somehow everyone in the mix makes a profit on the deal... how funny....
the problem with this idea is that if we don't regulate corporations' behavior, they will end up acting like the government, and having even more power.
thanks for the discussion guys. since everyone was passionate, didn't flame me very harshly, and made good points, i've decided to vote for nader.
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I certainly do see what you mean... Let me ask you this (not intended as flame):
If things got so bad in America that the people really had to organize, use the internet (or any other form of speech) to inform eachother on how to overthrow the government and then coordinate their efforts, would it still be right for the government to try to stop them? who would decide? does it depend on a critical mass of citizens being in agreement? At what point does that agreement become illegal?
Wishing I had some mod points to funny this comment... I posted a link to an archive.org cache from last year a few comments up, if you're interested.
Good points. I probably started posting before I'd seen enough of the site that got this guy into trouble. Here is an archive.org cache of the site from last year.
a is ethefist.com/index1.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20020826014358/www.r
Not simplistic or flame... Note I said that I "hoped" that "everyone" resisted. Your point is well taken.
That's a very valid point, but I think everyone has to admit that there is a slippery slope for freedom of speech. Our country has a tradition of civil disobdience, and it wasn't all peaceful. I'm wary of any government which is so worried about being overthrown. Earning the respect of the majority of citizens is the way to stay in power, not locking people up for distributing already widely available information.
Sherman said it in his narrative on the site:
"Remember, fascism and a police state doesn't come all at once, it comes piece by piece. How far will we allow it go until we are all locked up in concentration camps."
The government has basically forbid this guy from criticizing the system. I hope that this sends a message to everyone in the same situation to not plead down, and to raise as much hell as possible.
I recently registered Opera for Linux. It's nice to be rid of the ads, and they mailed me a mouse pad with a diagram of the mouse gestures printed on it.
We've been using rdesktop for a while now. We are in the process of converting a call center to linux desktops with rdesktop for accessing some windows applications (that were handled in a term serv client window before anyway...). It's fast, free and works great.
http://www.rdesktop.org
i don't think we need benchmarks that make transmeta look better. we need benchmarks that simulate actual use.
oh yeah... our akamais are about 10 feet from my desk. i could almost hear the disks spinning...
also true... that's why it's important to be involved in your children's lives. and like anything else in life, a bit of common sense goes a long way. meet someone in a public place, never give your real name on the net, etc. etc.
good point... luckily everyone can remain anonymous if they like, and unless you already know the person irl, and accidentaly met them online, you don't ever have to see them again.
true, but if you meet someone irl and they're really attractive, it's a nice surprise... and there's way less pressure.
i don't know about social behaviour, but my hair and teeth are falling out, and i'm bleeding from my eye sockets.
imho, meeting someone online is actually healthier than meeting someone for the first time irl. you can actually get to know someone before you have a chance to judge them by appearance.
i will feel so good knowing that my donation has allowed some dot com the opportunity to increase it's burn rate, even if it's just by 10 dollars a month...
i don't think that we should get into a semantic battle over this article. every obviously just intended to promote OS X, and he unintentionly made himself into flamebait in the process.
they haven't... but the rules are completely different now. they find it impossible to regulate information by themselves, and they need help. information wants to be free, and the US government is finding this out the hard way.
the key word is "access"...
agreed... and 50 cal machine guns disguised as nipples...
does anyone else worry that our children will find the world intensely boring unless they have stock quotes and porn streaming before their eyes 24/7?
i think that you're right, and it's also a sign of a larger problem in our society. everyone is so afraid of lawsuits, that we've legislated common sense out of existence...
i program for an isp. we sell consumers access to information (advertisements) from third parties. this site is really about paying people to dig up information that will allow others to pirate methods of delivering advertisements to my consumers. somehow everyone in the mix makes a profit on the deal... how funny....
the problem with this idea is that if we don't regulate corporations' behavior, they will end up acting like the government, and having even more power.
thanks for the discussion guys. since everyone was passionate, didn't flame me very harshly, and made good points, i've decided to vote for nader. -slashdot at work-