You, the end-user, by DEFAULT should be OPTED OUT, and then you can offer politely to your users to OPT IN, explaining very clear and honestly what they can opt IN for.
It should not be the burden of the gullible end- user to find out, that he can OPT OUT of something, he never had deliberately OPTED IN in the first place.
It is just a matter of respecting your end-user's boundaries. It is the company's responsibility to step back. They should tell you HONESTLY what data they are interested in getting and why, and then ask you politely, if you might to WANT TO OPT IN on that? Anything else is misleading and abusing the technology.
Don't find a job in the USA, found a business at home for yourself and never sell out, keep your land. There is nothing here but a completely messed up way of thinking about the meaning of freedom. Not worth getting bothered with, it's too outrageously fake, stupidly twisted and apparently inate to the way this country was founded. US has a UNIQUE history of coming into being, which is different from any other nation on the world. That is why you find a completely different mindset concerning fight for survival, competition, risk taking, human rights and individual responsibility. They figure everything out here, just not how to live.
That is nonsense. There was prior art available as open source code, people have implemented it, used it, and discarded it and changed to a two click or three click check-out process for various reasons. No sane person at that time would ever have thought that the one-click checkout feature is something worth patenting.
Certainly not the open source code developers who have provided code to implement it. Certainly not their users who tried the feature out. As today, anyone who uses this feature with open source code has legitimite reasons to be frightened to get sued by Amazon, including the code developers, noone who has a living to make, will speak up and against it.
The PTO is not searching throroughly enough available prior art. They can't. There officers are paid commission for each patent they get through the process, they are overloaded and underpaid. An average search for prior art takes a day or two the most.
Carl Malamud has suggested the development of a database for deposit of open source code to be made known publicly and easily searchable for the purpose of demonstrating prior art of available code to the public. It should help companies not to make any mistakes and file patent applications for software under in mistake.
I can't wait til Mr.Bezos claims that he his the big promoter of changing the way software patents are issued and the first man, who suggested such a database. Of course he made such suggestions right after he was seriously questioned in public by Mr. Tim O'Reilly about the validity of his patents.
It is very fascinating to see how clever the moves are, taken by Mr. Bezos. Kind of makes sense to play the big promoter of the right thing AFTER one has taken care of his own profit the wrong way.
These cowboys need to be grounded and their horses locked up.
I have no idea what Apple thought doing this. All I can say, Apple should throw its computers in a big dumpster, Bezos all his books and toys, and then all CEO's should clean up the mess with their own hands on their knees begging for forgiveness.
We don't need your slick, cool hardware, software and business processes.
Beware I am an end-user, a buyer, the person you want to serve. No Sirs, we don't wanna do business with you. We do look for decency. Your stock value is really NOT that important to US.
If your profits would be for real, you could have remained a privately owned companyu and not use investor's money to sail happily the rainbow til the thunderstorm is over, leaving nothing behind than a muddy mess for the ones living in the real world.
And if you ask one more time to come up with more proof of prior art, Mr. Sir previous poster, I would advise you to wait til it goes to court and let them decide.
Only an idiot like me would post it here and reveal sources. Hopefully the ones who can prove prior art are smart enough not to do so but in court. But I guess the trial which would have some potential to bring a decision to the whole issue of the validity of this patent, will be discarded, settled out of court.
Oh, and BTW, if this was a method of finding out how the public would react to such move, you got the answer. Have a nice day.
When I think of a Bazaar, I think of something different.
To me a bazaar is an entity, which is amazingly well organized, among many participants, with equal rights, for the sole purpose to offer each merchant the possibility to sell goods to the public.
A bazaar has no unifying, common goal or project other than giving each merchant equal opportunities at a central meeting point.
So, the fact, that everbody can look at other people's open source code and can use and play with any way they want, to me is analogous to giving each merchant the opportunity to learn his trade, look others over the shoulder and borrow some tools. The bazaar is the natural environment where you can do this efficiently.
The only unifying goal they all might have, is to never allow to close down the open bazaar as a meeting point and trading place, because it's so essential for each merchant's survival.
To me sourceforge is a bazaar and slashdot is the bazaar's coffeehouse.
But it is not sourceforge or slashdot, which produces the code for a software package, nor is it the organizational entity of the bazaar, which makes the production of code happen, it's just the place, where you find the code and talk about it.
It might be fun to study how cathedrals were really built, how long it took, how often they
stood half finished, because they couldn't get "the financing" right, how often they were picked up again by the next dynasty and finished half a century later.
And when it comes to the actual design, construction and engineering work, I don't believe one minute that you can achieve anything without a certain hierarchy within the architects masons, artists etc.
Usually there is a maestro, a "Meister", a "genius" in his craft, who just is recognized as such, because of the outstanding work he produced ON HIS OWN (which he even might have displayed at the bazaar).
Bystanders are then so much in admiration of his craftsmanship, that they deliberately follow, learn from him and work with him on "his" project.
I believe in order for this to happen, that project also must serve the whole population in a charitable way. Anything else will not cause enough enthusiasm and devotion to cause a deliberate cooperation among programmer under the roof of a benign master.
They accept the benign dictatorship as long as the master is really a master in his field, as long as he is willing to teach, encourage and motivate and as long as the project is for the good of all. It is the purpose and usage of the project's code which makes it earn the financial support from third parties.
And then have you ever seen a bazaar, leaving anything else behind, as a project, than a messy, empty place in need of clean-up for the next day of survival ?
That's not to say that the bazaar is not absolutely essential for human beings to have to satisfy their daily needs. First, you can find talent and treasures there, actually you find there the master artists and craftsmen of tomorrow, and then you can just have a hell of a chat and deal making, and can find a lot of tools to help you out.
Within a cathedral you may find the artist working with the sacred silence of a child, playing completely absorbed with their toys and forgetting the whole world around them. No money in the world can make that happen, no manager can enforce it, but a hell of noise of a bazaar-like athmosphere can certainly disturb the process of creation and distract from the actual work.
And then didn't Michelangelo spent most of his life in St. Peter's painting years and years the cupola ? He had his little crew of master students and quite a strict management team to obey to, I believe...8-)
Yes, of course, it's the number you can use for digital searches easier. But in no way is the Dewey Decimal Schedule up to the task to categorize scientific and technical information.
The LCCL Subject Classification Schedule and millions of books, the Library of Congress did
classify, represent THE MODEL to classify internet content scientifically. One US book wholesalor includes in his books in print databases the LCCL number, but the format of these LCCL numbers make easily usable digitally. That's the problem. The Library of Congress also produces tapes and sells licenses for those data.
The online site of the Library of Congress doesn't offer a searchable subject category tree.
I don't know if this is because they haven't found a technical and solution to convert the LCCL number in a format usable for online searchspiders, or if they just didn't get enough money to launch such a project. It's a tragedy, IMHO.
A category tree of around 300 000 subject categories, developed by the best cataloger's in the world, SHOULD be taken seriously into consideration to be the basis of classifying
internet and book content. This is a big project and one which plays well together with a lot the Open Source community stands for, hopefully.
How about getting the 300 000 or so Library of Congress Subject Classification Categories down from the server of the Library of Congress and sort the internet content scientifically ? How about a google search on each of the subject categories in addition search books according to their subject classification schedule ?
A nice big/huge searchable "ilibrary" category tree ? It's almost there, but not really as it
could be.
quote: "Although there are no known studies relating to college students and their work hours, it seems they are also bound to their desks and dorms by environments in which faculty, friends and other members of the college community increasingly do their work online. Studies of time spent on instant messaging services would probably show staggering use. And research possibilities online are boundless."
It seems to me that the lines between being stressed, being caught and being addicted are mingling and blurring the vision.
Here the way I explain to myself the things I observe:
Getting caught:
1. You buy into the sales pitch of believing in having "the library of the world" at your fingertips makes you "more informed and will give you an advantage to be more competitive" than your peer.
2. Talking to each other. Thoughts of others you read online involve your mind much more than any person you would talk to in the physical world. Dilemma : a. You can respond, b. You can read thousands of thoughts and might think of responses thousands of hours.
3. Being a "smart guy" and becoming a "rich guy" has sooooo much appeal. Some even think it's sexy. (parents also can't help to teach that to their kids...what elso can you offer to give them hope to get going ?)
4. You want to become a guru-geek. Your online reading is now justified and necessary; you do something useful, you even have noble, political or social ideas to go with it. Feels so good...
Getting stressed:
1. technology changes within days and months, you have to keep up to date, you can't quit, if you want to be competitive in the guru-geek world. Scares the hell out of you the other guy could know something you don't. People are on your back online all the time to "suck your brain" for free and take your time away from real work.
2. you need to make money and work for one of the "www.fuckedcompany.com". You give your best, but for whom and for what ?
Getting addicted:
1. the online conversation is more appealing to you than the conversation with your peers in the physical world.
2. outsmarting the others, making your bet and occasionally winning feels good - on the short term. So, you need to repeat it very often to feel good.
Some hope (being an optimist today):
Coders desperately needed to solve the problem of getting disconnected from the dangers of the net.
This is _the_ new technology field with long-term prospectives. You actually can make money with it on an 8am - 5 pm basis, 30 days holidays and longtern job security included.
Demand will be unlimited. Your consultancy start-up business has actually chance to support your family for a whole lifetime.:-)
Slashdot Mirror
NO !!!
You, the end-user, by DEFAULT should be OPTED OUT, and then you can offer politely to your users to OPT IN, explaining very clear and honestly what they can opt IN for.
It should not be the burden of the gullible end- user to find out, that he can OPT OUT of something, he never had deliberately OPTED IN in the first place.
It is just a matter of respecting your end-user's boundaries. It is the company's responsibility to step back. They should tell you HONESTLY what data they are interested in getting and why, and then ask you politely, if you might to WANT TO OPT IN on that? Anything else is misleading and abusing the technology.
Don't find a job in the USA, found a business at home for yourself and never sell out, keep your land. There is nothing here but a completely messed up way of thinking about the meaning of freedom. Not worth getting bothered with, it's too outrageously fake, stupidly twisted and apparently inate to the way this country was founded. US has a UNIQUE history of coming into being, which is different from any other nation on the world. That is why you find a completely different mindset concerning fight for survival, competition, risk taking, human rights and individual responsibility. They figure everything out here, just not how to live.
That is nonsense. There was prior art available as open source code, people have implemented it, used it, and discarded it and changed to a two click or three click check-out process for various reasons. No sane person at that time would ever have thought that the one-click checkout feature is something worth patenting.
Certainly not the open source code developers who have provided code to implement it. Certainly not their users who tried the feature out. As today, anyone who uses this feature with open source code has legitimite reasons to be frightened to get sued by Amazon, including the code developers, noone who has a living to make, will speak up and against it.
The PTO is not searching throroughly enough available prior art. They can't. There officers are paid commission for each patent they get through the process, they are overloaded and underpaid. An average search for prior art takes a day or two the most.
Carl Malamud has suggested the development of a database for deposit of open source code to be made known publicly and easily searchable for the purpose of demonstrating prior art of available code to the public. It should help companies not to make any mistakes and file patent applications for software under in mistake.
I can't wait til Mr.Bezos claims that he his the big promoter of changing the way software patents are issued and the first man, who suggested such a database. Of course he made such suggestions right after he was seriously questioned in public by Mr. Tim O'Reilly about the validity of his patents.
It is very fascinating to see how clever the moves are, taken by Mr. Bezos. Kind of makes sense to play the big promoter of the right thing AFTER one has taken care of his own profit the wrong way.
These cowboys need to be grounded and their horses locked up.
I have no idea what Apple thought doing this. All I can say, Apple should throw its computers in a big dumpster, Bezos all his books and toys, and then all CEO's should clean up the mess with their own hands on their knees begging for forgiveness.
We don't need your slick, cool hardware, software and business processes.
Beware I am an end-user, a buyer, the person you want to serve. No Sirs, we don't wanna do business with you. We do look for decency. Your stock value is really NOT that important to US.
If your profits would be for real, you could have remained a privately owned companyu and not use investor's money to sail happily the rainbow til the thunderstorm is over, leaving nothing behind than a muddy mess for the ones living in the real world.
And if you ask one more time to come up with more proof of prior art, Mr. Sir previous poster, I would advise you to wait til it goes to court and let them decide.
Only an idiot like me would post it here and reveal sources. Hopefully the ones who can prove prior art are smart enough not to do so but in court. But I guess the trial which would have some potential to bring a decision to the whole issue of the validity of this patent, will be discarded, settled out of court.
Oh, and BTW, if this was a method of finding out how the public would react to such move, you got the answer. Have a nice day.
Any news on slashdot today ? Nope.
When I think of a Bazaar, I think of something different.
To me a bazaar is an entity, which is amazingly well organized, among many participants, with equal rights, for the sole purpose to offer each merchant the possibility to sell goods to the public.
A bazaar has no unifying, common goal or project other than giving each merchant equal opportunities at a central meeting point.
So, the fact, that everbody can look at other people's open source code and can use and play with any way they want, to me is analogous to giving each merchant the opportunity to learn his trade, look others over the shoulder and borrow some tools. The bazaar is the natural environment where you can do this efficiently.
The only unifying goal they all might have, is to never allow to close down the open bazaar as a meeting point and trading place, because it's so essential for each merchant's survival.
To me sourceforge is a bazaar and slashdot is the bazaar's coffeehouse.
But it is not sourceforge or slashdot, which produces the code for a software package, nor is it the organizational entity of the bazaar, which makes the production of code happen, it's just the place, where you find the code and talk about it.
It might be fun to study how cathedrals were really built, how long it took, how often they
stood half finished, because they couldn't get "the financing" right, how often they were picked up again by the next dynasty and finished half a century later.
And when it comes to the actual design, construction and engineering work, I don't believe one minute that you can achieve anything without a certain hierarchy within the architects masons, artists etc.
Usually there is a maestro, a "Meister", a "genius" in his craft, who just is recognized as such, because of the outstanding work he produced ON HIS OWN (which he even might have displayed at the bazaar).
Bystanders are then so much in admiration of his craftsmanship, that they deliberately follow, learn from him and work with him on "his" project.
I believe in order for this to happen, that project also must serve the whole population in a charitable way. Anything else will not cause enough enthusiasm and devotion to cause a deliberate cooperation among programmer under the roof of a benign master.
They accept the benign dictatorship as long as the master is really a master in his field, as long as he is willing to teach, encourage and motivate and as long as the project is for the good of all. It is the purpose and usage of the project's code which makes it earn the financial support from third parties.
And then have you ever seen a bazaar, leaving anything else behind, as a project, than a messy, empty place in need of clean-up for the next day of survival ?
That's not to say that the bazaar is not absolutely essential for human beings to have to satisfy their daily needs. First, you can find talent and treasures there, actually you find there the master artists and craftsmen of tomorrow, and then you can just have a hell of a chat and deal making, and can find a lot of tools to help you out.
Within a cathedral you may find the artist working with the sacred silence of a child, playing completely absorbed with their toys and forgetting the whole world around them. No money in the world can make that happen, no manager can enforce it, but a hell of noise of a bazaar-like athmosphere can certainly disturb the process of creation and distract from the actual work.
And then didn't Michelangelo spent most of his life in St. Peter's painting years and years the cupola ? He had his little crew of master students and quite a strict management team to obey to, I believe...8-)
Yes, of course, it's the number you can use for digital searches easier. But in no way is the Dewey Decimal Schedule up to the task to categorize scientific and technical information.
The LCCL Subject Classification Schedule and millions of books, the Library of Congress did
classify, represent THE MODEL to classify internet content scientifically. One US book wholesalor includes in his books in print databases the LCCL number, but the format of these LCCL numbers make easily usable digitally. That's the problem. The Library of Congress also produces tapes and sells licenses for those data.
The online site of the Library of Congress doesn't offer a searchable subject category tree.
I don't know if this is because they haven't found a technical and solution to convert the LCCL number in a format usable for online searchspiders, or if they just didn't get enough money to launch such a project. It's a tragedy, IMHO.
A category tree of around 300 000 subject categories, developed by the best cataloger's in the world, SHOULD be taken seriously into consideration to be the basis of classifying
internet and book content. This is a big project and one which plays well together with a lot the Open Source community stands for, hopefully.
How about getting the 300 000 or so Library of Congress Subject Classification Categories down from the server of the Library of Congress and sort the internet content scientifically ? How about a google search on each of the subject categories in addition search books according to their subject classification schedule ?
A nice big/huge searchable "ilibrary" category tree ? It's almost there, but not really as it
could be.
Big hug ! Really nice way to spend the money !
I recommend Akopia Interchange, a merger between the development team of Tallyman (formerly Shopsite) and Minivend.
Completely based on Open Source software, extremely flexible and scalable.
Visit www.akopia.com and www.minivend.com and contact the authors of the software for more information.
quote:
:-)
"Although there are no known studies relating to college students and their work hours, it seems they are also bound to their desks and dorms by environments in which faculty, friends and other members of the college community increasingly do their work online. Studies of time spent on instant messaging services would probably show staggering use. And research possibilities online are boundless."
It seems to me that the lines between being stressed, being caught and being addicted are mingling and blurring the vision.
Here the way I explain to myself the things I observe:
Getting caught:
1. You buy into the sales pitch of believing in having "the library of the world" at your fingertips makes you "more informed and will give you an advantage to be more competitive" than your peer.
2. Talking to each other. Thoughts of others you read online involve your mind much more than any person you would talk to in the physical world. Dilemma :
a. You can respond,
b. You can read thousands of thoughts and might think of responses thousands of hours.
3. Being a "smart guy" and becoming a "rich guy" has sooooo much appeal. Some even think it's sexy. (parents also can't help to teach that to their kids...what elso can you offer to give them hope to get going ?)
4. You want to become a guru-geek. Your online reading is now justified and necessary; you do something useful, you even have noble, political or social ideas to go with it. Feels so good...
Getting stressed:
1. technology changes within days and months, you have to keep up to date, you can't quit, if you want to be competitive in the guru-geek world. Scares the hell out of you the other guy could know something you don't. People are on your back online all the time to "suck your brain" for free and take your time away from real work.
2. you need to make money and work for one of the "www.fuckedcompany.com". You give your best, but for whom and for what ?
Getting addicted:
1. the online conversation is more appealing to you than the conversation with your peers in the physical world.
2. outsmarting the others, making your bet and occasionally winning feels good - on the short term. So, you need to repeat it very often to feel good.
Some hope (being an optimist today):
Coders desperately needed to solve the problem of getting disconnected from the dangers of the net.
This is _the_ new technology field with long-term prospectives. You actually can make money with it on an 8am - 5 pm basis, 30 days holidays and longtern job security included.
Demand will be unlimited. Your consultancy start-up business has actually chance to support your family for a whole lifetime.
Happy coding.