I for one usually get my mainstream media from the radio, so feel pretty much unaffected by this. I get my non-mainstream news from places like this and Daily Daemon news, etc..
Also, barking dogs do not have wheels. Way to mix your metaphors CmdrTaco.:)
It has never ceased to amaze me how few liberties we would currently have, if it were not for private organizations, like the ACLU. The government cannot or will not protect us, so the ACLU has to.
I personally am extremely pleased to hear of their FOIA demand for information on this blatant 4th amendment violation. The FBI needs to stay the hell out of our mail. And it's also high time that this sort of privacy violation got wide mainstream media, so that is is less likely to occur in the future.
You make an excellent point, but what I failed to mention (regardless that their bread and butter is selling linux products) is that in the past, the reviews had been higly objective and therefore valuable. I mean, think about it, you don't want to hype some piece of crap so that your customers buy it, then they discover it's crap, and they go to walnut creek forevermore. Objective reporting makes good business sense.
Are reviewers induced to write good reviews by the implied promise of future free software?
I know someone who writes for linuxmall, a well known e-seller and reviewing site. They are currently being taken over by another company, and have been ordered, not nudged, not suggested, but ordered to write nothing but glowing reviews.
Let's hear it for objective journalism. Hip, hip, Hooray!
Is the HTML produced by our scripts just output? The more I think about it, the more I am convinced that the application that a user is running when they use our software is not just a series of HTML files. Those files, by themselves, are worthless.
You've answered your own question. The actual instantiation of your program and any data/scripts it produces are unquestionably output, and therefore the GPL wouldn't apply anyway.
It does appear to have some grey areas when you juggle the semantics around, but output is output.
Right now, somewhere, someone has the wrong idea. And at this moment, it's these cuckoo's egg people.
I think that this is the most ridiculous form of protest I have read about in a while. It isn't going to stop people from distributing anything. It's merely going to annoy them. Way to go, Cuckoo's Egg! Now you've pissed off a handful of teenagers! Way to thwart the machine!
I simply can't stop laughing about that web page sounding so serious about this.
Assuming that the reviewer is not on drugs, this sounds like an extremely entertaining read. With the current non-fiction saturation of books like "Nailbiting for dummies", this is a refreshing change.
Right. What exactly do you think a post-adolescent is? As the article states: College students... etc... I think 20 falls well within the scope of that article.
As I recall, the Steves, Jobs and Wozniak were both post-adolescent 30 years ago when they started building their Apple computers. Also, Bill Gates was in a similar position when he went to work designing a DOS for the Altair.
Oh, I'm sorry, maybe I shouldn't mention people that actually made money.:P
Having had a personal computer and been highly involved in the computer 'world' for the last 20 years, it has always been starkly apparent that the young are the main innovators. The only thing that has changed is that the general public is now aware of this, and finds it confusing somehow.
Although I will admit not having much recent experience with SCO. My nightmares still harken back to the very late 80's and early 90's with that frankenstein of a *NIX, Xenix.
I find it amusing that they have their hands on the child of Sys V, and wish luck to whomever ends up with it.
All in all, SCO has been missing the ball the entire time. First with their clunky and inept implementations of *NIX, and then with their inability to see the trends (right before their eyes) of the ever-encroaching open source community.
Score 1 for our team. And so long, Santa Cruz. Thanks for all the fish.
In a much simpler time, I had an experience with an ISP that logged every ounce of traffic that made its way through their Annex portserver. They had enormous filesystems devoted entirely to violating their customers privacy. "Just in case"
I strongly disagree with this form of Orwellian observation, while at the same time, understand the need as an administrator to keep a certain number of logs to keep certain the system is running smoothly and that your users aren't taking down space shuttles, etc...
While more sophisticated users are aware that every keystroke can be logged, and have various facilities at thier disposal to conduct point to point encryption, the bulk of the people are unaware of this blatant violation of their most fundamental right to privacy, or more importantly, how to avoid invasions on said privacy.
In summary, I say that any logs in excess of what are necessary to continue the smooth operation of the server (which obviously vary from place to place) are entirely too many.
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For a company that makes its living off of the English language, they don't seem to be able to wield it themselves.
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I for one usually get my mainstream media from the radio, so feel pretty much unaffected by this. I get my non-mainstream news from places like this and Daily Daemon news, etc..
Also, barking dogs do not have wheels. Way to mix your metaphors CmdrTaco. :)
gitm
It has never ceased to amaze me how few liberties we would currently have, if it were not for private organizations, like the ACLU. The government cannot or will not protect us, so the ACLU has to.
I personally am extremely pleased to hear of their FOIA demand for information on this blatant 4th amendment violation. The FBI needs to stay the hell out of our mail. And it's also high time that this sort of privacy violation got wide mainstream media, so that is is less likely to occur in the future.
gitm
Clearly you missed my point. Since I was alluding to the protection of the word 'Pizza', rather than anything that actually happened.
gitm
Last I checked, the word Olympic belongs to the Greek language, and not to the IOC.
This is about as ridiculous as Amazon's attempt to patent one-click buying.
Maybe I'll form a pizza-cooperative and begin suing pizza-hut, papa john's, etc...
gitm
You make an excellent point, but what I failed to mention (regardless that their bread and butter is selling linux products) is that in the past, the reviews had been higly objective and therefore valuable. I mean, think about it, you don't want to hype some piece of crap so that your customers buy it, then they discover it's crap, and they go to walnut creek forevermore. Objective reporting makes good business sense.
gitm
Yes, but which is worse? Being enticed by vendors to produce shiny reviews, or having no choice whatsoever?
gitm
Are reviewers induced to write good reviews by the implied promise of future free software?
I know someone who writes for linuxmall, a well known e-seller and reviewing site. They are currently being taken over by another company, and have been ordered, not nudged, not suggested, but ordered to write nothing but glowing reviews.
Let's hear it for objective journalism. Hip, hip, Hooray!
gitm
Is the HTML produced by our scripts just output? The more I think about it, the more I am convinced that the application that a user is running when they use our software is not just a series of HTML files. Those files, by themselves, are worthless.
You've answered your own question. The actual instantiation of your program and any data/scripts it produces are unquestionably output, and therefore the GPL wouldn't apply anyway.
It does appear to have some grey areas when you juggle the semantics around, but output is output.
gitm
Right now, somewhere, someone has the wrong idea. And at this moment, it's these cuckoo's egg people.
I think that this is the most ridiculous form of protest I have read about in a while. It isn't going to stop people from distributing anything. It's merely going to annoy them. Way to go, Cuckoo's Egg! Now you've pissed off a handful of teenagers! Way to thwart the machine!
I simply can't stop laughing about that web page sounding so serious about this.
gitm
Assuming that the reviewer is not on drugs, this sounds like an extremely entertaining read. With the current non-fiction saturation of books like "Nailbiting for dummies", this is a refreshing change.
gitm
Right. What exactly do you think a post-adolescent is? As the article states: College students... etc... I think 20 falls well within the scope of that article.
gitm
As I recall, the Steves, Jobs and Wozniak were both post-adolescent 30 years ago when they started building their Apple computers. Also, Bill Gates was in a similar position when he went to work designing a DOS for the Altair.
Oh, I'm sorry, maybe I shouldn't mention people that actually made money. :P
Having had a personal computer and been highly involved in the computer 'world' for the last 20 years, it has always been starkly apparent that the young are the main innovators. The only thing that has changed is that the general public is now aware of this, and finds it confusing somehow.
gitm
Although I will admit not having much recent experience with SCO. My nightmares still harken back to the very late 80's and early 90's with that frankenstein of a *NIX, Xenix.
I find it amusing that they have their hands on the child of Sys V, and wish luck to whomever ends up with it.
All in all, SCO has been missing the ball the entire time. First with their clunky and inept implementations of *NIX, and then with their inability to see the trends (right before their eyes) of the ever-encroaching open source community.
Score 1 for our team. And so long, Santa Cruz. Thanks for all the fish.
gitm
In a much simpler time, I had an experience with an ISP that logged every ounce of traffic that made its way through their Annex portserver. They had enormous filesystems devoted entirely to violating their customers privacy. "Just in case"
I strongly disagree with this form of Orwellian observation, while at the same time, understand the need as an administrator to keep a certain number of logs to keep certain the system is running smoothly and that your users aren't taking down space shuttles, etc...
While more sophisticated users are aware that every keystroke can be logged, and have various facilities at thier disposal to conduct point to point encryption, the bulk of the people are unaware of this blatant violation of their most fundamental right to privacy, or more importantly, how to avoid invasions on said privacy.
In summary, I say that any logs in excess of what are necessary to continue the smooth operation of the server (which obviously vary from place to place) are entirely too many.
gitm