Uh, no, the whole point is that the service checks for the dependency, and if it's met, then all good, and if it's not met, it requests the dependency to be started.
That's insane. Possibly the worst possible way to do an init system I've ever heard of.
You are responding to an insane troll. The incredibly tiny seed for their trollish lunacy is that, when configured incorrectly, services started by systemd can write error messages to the kernel instead of the systemd journal.
He does not understand UNIX. stderr output should never be ignored, much less deleted
Here is a link to a bug report dealing with the stdout / stderr problem. If you read through it, you will find that the systemd folks are very responsive, and fully agree that the bug existed and quickly had a fix.
Amazing, a bug report that almost matches their paranoid fantasies.
High points:
1. stderr was lost because it was written to the terminal, just like it would have been with sysvinit -- someone had overriden the systemd default of logging to syslog.
2. someone else found another case where errors were being lost due to a misconfiguration of selinux, an all-pervasive system written by the NSA, something the paranoid anti-systemd trolls never seem to worry about, even when they try to claim systemd is a NSA plot.
I'm sorry that you lost customers relating to systemd, but if they switched to systemd, and the only failures they had were your code, then I have to ask why that is. If they had other failures in the conversion, and still insisted that you were the problem (enough to drop you as a service provider), then I would worry that there was some other agenda going on.
If, on the other hand, you were the one who switched to systemd, and managed to have unstable code make it to a client... Thats a whole other ball game.
There is nothing fundamentally GPL-incompatible about ZFS.
The OpenZFS code written by sun isn't GPL compat, but there is no reason why somebody couldn't couldn't rewrite it and release it under GPL. It would be a huge waste of time, but GPL license bickering tends to do that.
Unfair to blame this problem on "GPL license bickering" -- Sun deliberately made their license GPL incompatible.
This is Germany we're talking about. By law beer contains water, barley and hops.
Funny story: my brother did his bachelors degree at the University of Sussex, with one year at Amherst. Just before they all went off to the US everybody was taken aside by the student union and provided with real fake student ID giving their ages as over 21 (he was 19 at the time) just so they could buy booze while in the states.
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Uh, no, the whole point is that the service checks for the dependency, and if it's met, then all good, and if it's not met, it requests the dependency to be started.
That's insane. Possibly the worst possible way to do an init system I've ever heard of.
Solaris used sysvinit, then moved to SMF (in some sense one of the ancestors of systemd).
Well, you'll be one up on systemd then, it only has a web server.
So fix the init script already you twit. Just remove the "2>/dev/null".
What a maroon.
You are responding to an insane troll. The incredibly tiny seed for their trollish lunacy is that, when configured incorrectly, services started by systemd can write error messages to the kernel instead of the systemd journal.
He does not understand UNIX. stderr output should never be ignored, much less deleted
Here is a link to a bug report dealing with the stdout / stderr problem. If you read through it, you will find that the systemd folks are very responsive, and fully agree that the bug existed and quickly had a fix.
Amazing, a bug report that almost matches their paranoid fantasies.
High points:
1. stderr was lost because it was written to the terminal, just like it would have been with sysvinit -- someone had overriden the systemd default of logging to syslog.
2. someone else found another case where errors were being lost due to a misconfiguration of selinux, an all-pervasive system written by the NSA, something the paranoid anti-systemd trolls never seem to worry about, even when they try to claim systemd is a NSA plot.
I'm sorry that you lost customers relating to systemd, but if they switched to systemd, and the only failures they had were your code, then I have to ask why that is. If they had other failures in the conversion, and still insisted that you were the problem (enough to drop you as a service provider), then I would worry that there was some other agenda going on.
If, on the other hand, you were the one who switched to systemd, and managed to have unstable code make it to a client... Thats a whole other ball game.
I very much doubt he has any customers.
Could you trolls come up with another lie please, this one is boring.
Your timeline is rubbish.
The Werner plan for EMU was abandoned in the early '70s, (before Greece joined) and EMU was only re-introduced in 1988 (after Greece had joined).
Greece wasn't obliged to join the Euro, in fact they had to lie (with the help of those nice people from Goldman Sachs) to be let in.
Frankly, tells us more about Debian, Ubuntu and Fedora than systemd.
There is nothing fundamentally GPL-incompatible about ZFS.
The OpenZFS code written by sun isn't GPL compat, but there is no reason why somebody couldn't couldn't rewrite it and release it under GPL. It would be a huge waste of time, but GPL license bickering tends to do that.
Unfair to blame this problem on "GPL license bickering" -- Sun deliberately made their license GPL incompatible.
This is the second release in the history of Debian I didn't give a fuck about.
I'm with you.
If they made a netinst CD/DVD/Thumbdrive that had sysvinit by default, I'd consider going back.
Because adding: preseed/late_command="in-target apt-get install -y sysvinit-core" to the kernel boot line is just so damn hard.
Debian can be a nice server, but i don't like using such old software on the desktop.
What component of Jessie is too old for you?
>Let's not pretend everyone has issues with systemd. Plenty of people are totally ok with it.
That is no reason to remove the choice.
What choice was removed? You do know that systemd is an optional component of Debian Jessie? Use sysvinit or upstart if you prefer.
And my company is 100% Debian with systemd.
So what?
Unfortunately, by then their strategy of subsuming other projects (sianara ntp, it was nice knowin' you),
Huh?
What are you blathering on about?
Only those "highly educated" people who didn't bother to read the slashdot summary.
qualified immigration is seen as a resolution to the problem as research shows that 50% of foreign students stay in Germany.
Also has the lowest birthrate on the planet
Nope, that'd be Singapore at 1.28 (births/woman).
In Europe? Nope, Boznia Herzegovina at 1.28.
In the EU? Nope, Portugal at 1.32.
Germany is at 1.42, pretty low, but by no means the lowest on the planet.
(The US is at 1.97)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_fertility_rate
When they joined the EU, they took on the requirement of joining the Euro, so yes, joining the EU was the problem.
Greece joined the EU in 1981. The Euro didn't exist then, so how could adopting the Euro be a condition of membership?
In America, a large part of higher education is about crafting learned, "well-rounded" citizens.
Bullshiat! That's what it used to be...a long time ago.
Oh come on, we've all seen Americans. "Well rounded" is the perfect description.
Probably more due to HFCS than education, but...
This is Germany we're talking about. By law beer contains water, barley and hops.
Funny story: my brother did his bachelors degree at the University of Sussex, with one year at Amherst. Just before they all went off to the US everybody was taken aside by the student union and provided with real fake student ID giving their ages as over 21 (he was 19 at the time) just so they could buy booze while in the states.
This is how you test a catapult: Goodbye!
Not too hot on that "reading" concept are you?
No, that is not what they did,
Meanwhile, how are those sunspot numbers coming along?
I don't know, can you see a trend? I can't.
http://woodfortrees.org/plot/sidc-ssn
Citation needed.
Livre (unité de masse)
Butter is sold in 500 gram bars
and in most of Europe "500 grams" is known as "a pound".