Once again you demonstrate your superior reading skilz by confusing Electricity Likes Me with Eunuchswear. Maybe you only read as far as the first letter?
You even misread Electricity's comment as a claim that systemd was installed by default, when he was clearly telling you about the default behaviour of systemd on Debian if it was installed.
The existence of a package page does not make it a package installed by default.
Nobody ever said it was. The fact that a package is not in the default list does not make it impossible to install.
It is perfectly possible to install systemd on Debian Wheezy. It is one of the packages in the standard repositories. The fact that you don't have it on your system tells us nothing about whether Electricity has it on his system. Maybe you don't have Frozen Bubble installed on your system. Does that mean that Frozen Bubble is not part of Debian Weezy? https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/frozen-bubble.
Do you have any idea how many packages there are in Debian? Do you expect them all to be installed?
root@ivernia:~# cat/etc/debian_version 7.2 root@ivernia:~# apt-cache search systemd live-config-systemd - Live System Configuration Scripts (systemd backend) libpam-systemd - system and service manager - PAM module libsystemd-daemon-dev - systemd utility library - development files libsystemd-daemon0 - systemd utility library libsystemd-id128-0 - systemd 128 bit ID utility library libsystemd-id128-dev - systemd 128 bit ID utility library - development files libsystemd-journal-dev - systemd journal utility library - development files libsystemd-journal0 - systemd journal utility library libsystemd-login-dev - systemd login utility library - development files libsystemd-login0 - systemd login utility library systemd - system and service manager systemd-gui - system and service manager - GUI systemd-sysv - system and service manager - SysV links dh-systemd - debhelper add-on to handle systemd unit files init-system-helpers - helper tools for all init systems
Though it's mitigated by the fact that it's fairly easy to replace the godawful heap of shite.
Gnome is not the Debian desktop. Gnome is a Debian desktop. Debian is not a toy system like Ubuntu that needs wierd flavours to use different desktops.
"Fairly easy" means "aptitude install kde".
According to you which distro has better desktop support than Debian?
systemd is Linux only, and if kFreeBSD and Hurd are to work, they need something else. And that something else might as well work with the Linux kernel too.
There is something else. It is called sysvinit.
Right now, Debian is forcing systemd specific APIs onto all kernels, even kFreeBSD and Hurd, by implementing the systemd specific calls.
What? Debian is forcing kFreeBSD and Hurd to add systemd specific calls? Are you delusional?
I asked you what Debian you were using that has these two programs since it's not in 5-7 (even the unstable branch) and you point me to a repo page. Thanks for backing my point about false claims.
P.S. In that respect I liked the Ubuntu's upstart integration. The upstart manages the boot process and few critical services, but then passes the control to the rc scripts. Want upstart goodies? - just create upstart job. Want the rc scripts? - they are where they always have been. One can have them both at the same time.
Fine.. those women just have to apply to MIT or a host of other institutions that will give them free scholarships just because they have vaginas.. There's NOTHING holding them back, especially on today's politically correct campuses.
Whereas you should get a free scholarship because you are a cunt?
... more about systems than people and women are more interested in people than systems.
Your explanation would make sense if the number of women in computer science jobs had remained unchanged, rather than fallen, or if you were proposing that somehow women had become more "womanly" over the last few decades.
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Once again you demonstrate your superior reading skilz by confusing Electricity Likes Me with Eunuchswear. Maybe you only read as far as the first letter?
You even misread Electricity's comment as a claim that systemd was installed by default, when he was clearly telling you about the default behaviour of systemd on Debian if it was installed.
The existence of a package page does not make it a package installed by default.
Nobody ever said it was. The fact that a package is not in the default list does not make it impossible to install.
It is perfectly possible to install systemd on Debian Wheezy. It is one of the packages in the standard repositories. The fact that you don't have it on your system tells us nothing about whether Electricity has it on his system. Maybe you don't have Frozen Bubble installed on your system. Does that mean that Frozen Bubble is not part of Debian Weezy? https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/frozen-bubble.
So if you don't like the policy argue against the policy.
But denying the science? That's insane.
AAAARGH!
ITS NOT A FUCKING BACKPORT YOU BRAINDEAD PIECE OF SHIT. ITS IN THE FUCKING WHEEZY REPO!
Who ever said it was installed by default? All I said was that systemd was available for wheezy, in the standard wheezy repositories.
Senior System Engineer/Architect
Senior is the word. I think you need to get yourself checked for Alzheimers.
Because you haven't installed it!
Do you have any idea how many packages there are in Debian? Do you expect them all to be installed?
root@ivernia:~# cat /etc/debian_version
7.2
root@ivernia:~# apt-cache search systemd
live-config-systemd - Live System Configuration Scripts (systemd backend)
libpam-systemd - system and service manager - PAM module
libsystemd-daemon-dev - systemd utility library - development files
libsystemd-daemon0 - systemd utility library
libsystemd-id128-0 - systemd 128 bit ID utility library
libsystemd-id128-dev - systemd 128 bit ID utility library - development files
libsystemd-journal-dev - systemd journal utility library - development files
libsystemd-journal0 - systemd journal utility library
libsystemd-login-dev - systemd login utility library - development files
libsystemd-login0 - systemd login utility library
systemd - system and service manager
systemd-gui - system and service manager - GUI
systemd-sysv - system and service manager - SysV links
dh-systemd - debhelper add-on to handle systemd unit files
init-system-helpers - helper tools for all init systems
I like trains.
Gnome.
Though it's mitigated by the fact that it's fairly easy to replace the godawful heap of shite.
Gnome is not the Debian desktop. Gnome is a Debian desktop. Debian is not a toy system like Ubuntu that needs wierd flavours to use different desktops.
"Fairly easy" means "aptitude install kde".
According to you which distro has better desktop support than Debian?
That is not the wheezy-backports section. That is wheezy itself.
You realy need to brush up on your reading skils.
systemd is Linux only, and if kFreeBSD and Hurd are to work, they need something else. And that something else might as well work with the Linux kernel too.
There is something else. It is called sysvinit.
Right now, Debian is forcing systemd specific APIs onto all kernels, even kFreeBSD and Hurd, by implementing the systemd specific calls.
What? Debian is forcing kFreeBSD and Hurd to add systemd specific calls? Are you delusional?
Amazing. not all posts in lkml are 100% correct.
Jessie has already moved over to it and the shim gone.
Untrue. The shim is still there.
https://packages.debian.org/jessie/systemd-shim
Debian is fucking Debian. No need to fork. Just install the packages you want.
If you're using Debian you have a choice.
If you're not using Debian, well, you takes your lumps.
And I think many agree with me the strength of Debian is not exactly desktop support.
Why? In what way is the Debian desktop inferior to any other?
I asked you what Debian you were using that has these two programs since it's not in 5-7 (even the unstable branch) and you point me to a repo page. Thanks for backing my point about false claims.
Huh?
https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/systemd
Really now? What Debian are you running with systemd and journald?
Jessie or Sid.
P.S. In that respect I liked the Ubuntu's upstart integration. The upstart manages the boot process and few critical services, but then passes the control to the rc scripts. Want upstart goodies? - just create upstart job. Want the rc scripts? - they are where they always have been. One can have them both at the same time.
Just like systemd.
I don't need to fork because if I didn't want systemd I'd just install sysvinit and systemd-shim and purge systemd.
If toy distros like Red Hat and Fedora don't allow that just move to Debian.
http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201410/2014102101-avoiding-systemd.html
So you want to add an unnecessary dependancy on bash, python or Perl to Apache.
Ugh.
ITYM Fortran 66. There never was a Fortran 68.
And it's hard to tell the difference between an assignment and a DO loop.
This is an assignment:
DO 100 I = 1.10
This is the start of a DO loop:
DO 100 I = 1,10
Fine.. those women just have to apply to MIT or a host of other institutions that will give them free scholarships just because they have vaginas.. There's NOTHING holding them back, especially on today's politically correct campuses.
Whereas you should get a free scholarship because you are a cunt?
Ok, so you have an explanation for the current situation.
Now try to explain why it has changed.
There used to be more female CS grads. There used to be more women in the industry.
Well, the industry has certainly become much more fad-prone and less rigourous.
Maybe that explains why there are fewer women in the industry now?
Its not wrong to say boys play baseball and girls play softball, its true for 99% of the time in school aged kids.
No, boys play cricket, football and rugby.
Girls play rounders and hockey.
(Rounders is that game Americans, Japanese and Cubans call "baseball").
... more about systems than people and women are more interested in people than systems.
Your explanation would make sense if the number of women in computer science jobs had remained unchanged, rather than fallen, or if you were proposing that somehow women had become more "womanly" over the last few decades.
18 years of no warming is just temperature,
This 18 years?. Because that's warming.
No, no, no, you're doing it wrong. You're supposed to use RSS because Roy Spencer is a warmist stooge.