If you're gonna be so pedantic that you don't assume he was referring to major PC manufacturers from those days (and Dell wasn't major until the 90s), you're still wrong. Dell's predecessor company from 1984 wasn't founded in January.
moreover the "Mac days" arguably started in '78 when development started, or in '83 when the Lisa came out.
It's a statement from a marketing VP, not an essay by George Washington on the true meaning of the Second Amendment.
It's also clear you didn't read the quote, because the quote says computer but quickly clarifies by using the acronym "PC" in the next sentence. You just read the article summary, clearly written by an HP marketing flak, and then rather then spending five minutes tracking down the actual Apple marketing quote you spent five minutes over-analyzing the HP marketing spin.
What Schiller meant is that in the late 70s early 80s a lot of companies sold computers to consumers. Today almost none of them do. Except Apple. None of the top companies from that era still sell PCs to consumers.
HP may have technically been one of those companies, because they did have a PC-style product, but given that almost nobody used it I suspect it was only sold to businesses.
You do realize that if they can't use Intel's parts there's no reason for them to try? These are the people who design their own processors for their phones. They don't need Intel or Nvidia or anyone else.
If Intel/NVidia/etc. wants to be a dick about not redesigning a part then Intel/AMD/etc. won;t get the contract and they know it. So as long as Apple is willing to pay them for then inconvenience of re-designing said part they will do so.
And how is this relevant? BTW did you know that PC's way back in the days of Mac used standard components? It is only Mac that uses stupid custom components giving them some of the worst repair ratings in the industry.
I know, I know.
It's terrible that instead of buying a part on some website everyone on Slashdot has ever heard for cheap, and then doing the work myself, I insist on going to a physical store, having them order the part, and then having them install it themselves. It's almost like I don't want to be the computer equivalent of the guy who does his own car repairs.
Back in the real world, while you are arguing with FedEx over the location of some part I don't have to learn the name of; I will be getting work done. I will probably pay for the privilege, but not as much as you think because I;m very good at convincing the Apple Store gurus to throw in the work for free.
But not making anything resembling a PC longer then Apple because the Apple II invented the PC market in the US. The machine you linked to came out a whole two months before the Mac shipped, and it's predecessors didn't come out until the Mac team had been designing for a year or two.
Moreover they weren't a major manufacturer of PCs. I payed close enough attention to the history of that era that I know about Osborn, TI, Atari, Compaq, etc., but until I'd seen this article I would have sworn HP didn't make a PC until the 90s. I suspect they only marketed to engineering firms, so while their machines had the same specs as truly Personal Computers, they were not intended to be personal in the sense you could buy one for your sister for Christmas.
From the context it's pretty clear he meant "around and making personal computers." Which means this was a statement from marketing that is only untrue if you a) intentionally distort the context, and b) insist on rigorous definition of "personal computer" that includes things like calculators.
Be honest. When's the last time your company's marketing guy was that close to the truth.
Why are you parsing a statement from a marketing fuck so closely? Do you want your head to explode with rage?
"Macintosh era" could mean when it came to market in January of '84. that would still beat Dell by 10 months. But it could also mean when they started developing the damn thing in '78, or when they released the Apple Lisa in January of '83. Moreover that company wasn't called Dell. Dell-badged computers wouldn't be created until '88.
The best way to interpret this is that he was referring to the entire late 70s/early 80s era because he's marketing and they don't remember things like dates very precisely. He was also only referring to major companies, because if you're talking about the top dozen or two PC manufacturers from any point in that era odds are the only one that's still around and selling PCs to consumers is Apple.
Well yeah they kind of invented the fucking things.
Bletchley park called, and they'd like their place in computing history back.
He didn't challenge it. He's talking about mass-produced computers you sell to anyone with a checkbook, with a CRT as an interface, and a QWERTY-keyboard as a controller. Which Bletchley Park did not do.
The Apple II may not have technically been the first of those to exist, but it was definitely the first to make a major impact on the US market.
Dude, this is a quote from marketing. Applying engineering-level precision to it is just cruel. Particularly since you know what he meant from the context.
He clearly meant that the big companies that everyone would have recognized as manufacturers of the things we call PCs today (ie: desktops for sale to consumers, but the luggables used as laptops also count), is no longer in the business of making desktops or laptops.
Dell claims they existed in 1984, but they weren't major. HP is apparently convinced that a calculator in 1984 was the equivalent of a desktop computer, because that's all a consumer could buy from them in 1984. The rest of the modern top 10 are a) Apple, b) Sony, or c) some Chinese company.
Even assuming your spin was true, that doesn't detract from his point.
If desktop computers were an easy business to make money in a company like IBM, which makes a lot of other computer-related products, would have stayed in. But it's really fucking hard to stay profitable as a PC-maker because PC-makers put together a bunch of commodity components anyone can buy, which means that the Chinese have your quality at a better price and everyone knows it. Just go down the list of top-10 PC manufacturers in the late 70s/early 80s. Almost all are gone completely. Most of the rest went bankrupt, and were forced out of the PC business completely.
HP is a PC manufacturer today that was around then, but it wasn't a major PC manufacturer in 1978-1984. Dell claims lineage to '84, but Dell wasn't a major PC company until the mid-90s.
He's Vice president of fucking MARKETING. Of course he's gonna over-exaggerate Apple's accomplishments.
And it's not that much of an exaggeration. In marketing speak today a computer is intended for sale to a consumer. It's usually a desktop, but laptops sometimes count. Since there were no laptops in 1984 (luggables were the portable technology everyone loved) and he's a marketing drone he could only mean desktop PC sales to consumers. Which HP didn't do in that era.
And in the '78-'84 era he's referring to the major companies who made computers do not have a good survival rate. Wang, Compaq, Osborn, Commodore, Tandy (remember IBM-Tandy compatibles? If you don't you shouldn't be talking about the history of computing) are simply gone. IBM, Atari, Texas Instruments survived by getting out of the computer business.
Why am I not surprised this comment comes from a guy with Texas in his name...
The OP's in a subdivision, not a 500-acre ranch. He is almost certainly boxed in by his neighbors. None of his neighbors have access to the equipment one needs to dig a ditch through a stream, and (this being South Carolina) there is almost certainly at least one of two between them and modern internet infrastructure.
Moreover if he had 100% support from his neighbors he would simply have gotten an agreement signed by all of them and somebody would be running cables above-ground. So there's one guy who doesn't want his lawn dug up, and in any state but Texas that guy has the right to do things like call the Sheriff and get all his neighbors arrested for trespassing when they disobey his wishes.
If you built it yourself and then said hey AT&T hook up for free you'd clearly be fine. Anybody else who expressed interest could simply be offered the same deal. But you'd have to maintain the cables yourself.
I suspect if you set yourselves up as a private, for-profit corporation you could give the cables to AT&T. If corporations can't give each things the entire private economy becomes illegal.
Depending on the precise legal status of your Home Owner's Association you might be able to run it through them. If they're government you might have problems, if they're officially a private entity that a bunch of private people have given certain rights then they'd be fine.
Hell even if they are government, what does "offered" mean? Does it mean you put a press release in the local small town paper saying "we're giving these cables away to the first taker who can give us decent internet," and you're cool? Or do you have to make a presentation in the board rooms of every ISP in the state?
The best people to ask this are actually your state government elected officials. They know the ins and outs of state law, in some cases their opinion may be legally binding (in Michigan an "Opinion of the Attorney General" is legally binding until some court over-rules him), and most importantly they're the ones who would have to decide to nail your ass to the wall. If they're sympathetic to your internet project then it doesn't really matter whether it's technically an illegal subsidy, because they have Prosecutor Discretion to not arrest you.
It's actually an Academic term because "town, city, village, and hamlet" are very hard to define.There are legal definitions, which frequently contradict each-other, economic definitions, etc.
"Micropolitan" refers to a rural region where the main town is big enough that it's hard to call it a "small town," but has trouble claiming the mantle of "City." Population is in the 10k-50k range. In California a Micropolitan region would typically be a single rural County, whereas in Michigan it would have it's full complement of 36 townships plus, plus the main city, plus a couple small towns.
The consensus of advice is that you need to a) change the Covenant, b) put up five figures of your neighborhood's money, or c) find a new neighborhood. Depending on your state's laws and precisely how many of your neighbors are willing to show up at the same HOA meeting a) could be doable.
Most American government is designed so the people who show up can dominate the proceedings. This is because the default is typically "nothing changes," and there generally isn't a person whose got the power to fight that default. You have to do that yourself, and you aren't allowed to skype that shit in from your business trip in Ohama. In many other countries they don't have all these tiny little boards of obscure officials that nobody bothers to vote for, and are therefore dominated by the curmudgeonly types who DO know the homeowner's association bylaws; they have tiny little boards of obscure officials that are appointed by the local equivalent of the Governor, Mayor or President.
The latter type can be influenced by people who didn't show up at the meeting because those people voted in the Gubenatorial/Presidential/etc. election and therefore their email from their business trip in Omaha is as important as some unemployed curmudgeon bitching about petty shit because he has nothing to do on Tuesday at 8 PM except bitch about petty crap.
And tell people precisely *why* you're moving. If you're selling your house then this will increase supply of house in your area, hurting property values. If you're stopping a rental this won't affect property values as directly, but it will affect demand for rentals.
Since most Americans retirement is their equity in their house by moving you will convince people that a) you were serious about the internet, and not just whining, and b) that if they don't fix the internet their home's value will collapse, and they will be unable to buy a spot in a decent retirement community.
And tell people precisely *why* you're moving. If you're selling your house then this will increase supply of house in your area, hurting property values. If you're stopping a rental this won't affect property values as directly, but it will affect demand for rentals.
Since most Americans retirement is their equity in their house by moving you will convince people that a) you were fucking serious about the internet, and not just whining, and b) that if they don't fix the internet their home's value will collapse, and they will be unable to buy a spot in a decent retirement community.
What exactly is a "a semi-rural micropolitan area"?
A place where "hipsters" live? Oh, i dont live in a subdivision like you do, i live in a "a semi-rural micropolitan area"
It's actually the opposite. "Micropolitan" means that you're in a region where the local "city" is 10k-50k, and it is so isolated the government hasn't put it into the Statistical Area that includes a bigger. Semi-rural probably means that he isn't within the City limits.
Option 1) isn't just restricted to the Feds. States have more powers to deal with things like this then the Feds because they can do literally anything that isn't specifically forbidden by the Constitution. They have no "enumerated" powers.
A city could also do a lot to screw with a Homeowner's Association because it has the power to say "Fuck you, we're running above-ground utilities."
The problem is that they don't tend to use these powers unless a whole lot of local voters get off their asses and bitch about the tyranny of the HOA, but if a whole lot of voters are doing that they could just vote in the HOA to do something.
He's in Ireland's ruling party. He's not in the Cabinet, so it probably won't become law, but he's got more clout then most other TDs.
Assuming he's using "open source web browser" (what else could he be using it to mean? he clearly doesn't know what an actual open source web browser is) to refer to the Silk Road website and TOR network, his idea isn't that different from US Government policy. Or any official government policy.
I believe he's a non-techy abusing technical language he doesn't understand. He seems to be referring to the Silk Road, and it's replacement, with the words "open source browser." Silk Road is the only major source of illegal shit that's recently been shut down in the US, and it has (predictably) already been replaced. He also seems to be lumping various other initiatives (like TOR) with the same words.
It seems like he's an Irish ted Stevens. Some staffer has explained these concepts to him well enough that he kinda gets them, but not well enough for him to remember the words everyone else uses.
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If you're gonna be so pedantic that you don't assume he was referring to major PC manufacturers from those days (and Dell wasn't major until the 90s), you're still wrong. Dell's predecessor company from 1984 wasn't founded in January.
moreover the "Mac days" arguably started in '78 when development started, or in '83 when the Lisa came out.
Dude, why are you making this so complicated?
It's a statement from a marketing VP, not an essay by George Washington on the true meaning of the Second Amendment.
It's also clear you didn't read the quote, because the quote says computer but quickly clarifies by using the acronym "PC" in the next sentence. You just read the article summary, clearly written by an HP marketing flak, and then rather then spending five minutes tracking down the actual Apple marketing quote you spent five minutes over-analyzing the HP marketing spin.
What Schiller meant is that in the late 70s early 80s a lot of companies sold computers to consumers. Today almost none of them do. Except Apple. None of the top companies from that era still sell PCs to consumers.
HP may have technically been one of those companies, because they did have a PC-style product, but given that almost nobody used it I suspect it was only sold to businesses.
You do realize that if they can't use Intel's parts there's no reason for them to try? These are the people who design their own processors for their phones. They don't need Intel or Nvidia or anyone else.
If Intel/NVidia/etc. wants to be a dick about not redesigning a part then Intel/AMD/etc. won;t get the contract and they know it. So as long as Apple is willing to pay them for then inconvenience of re-designing said part they will do so.
And how is this relevant? BTW did you know that PC's way back in the days of Mac used standard components? It is only Mac that uses stupid custom components giving them some of the worst repair ratings in the industry.
I know, I know.
It's terrible that instead of buying a part on some website everyone on Slashdot has ever heard for cheap, and then doing the work myself, I insist on going to a physical store, having them order the part, and then having them install it themselves. It's almost like I don't want to be the computer equivalent of the guy who does his own car repairs.
Back in the real world, while you are arguing with FedEx over the location of some part I don't have to learn the name of; I will be getting work done. I will probably pay for the privilege, but not as much as you think because I;m very good at convincing the Apple Store gurus to throw in the work for free.
But not making anything resembling a PC longer then Apple because the Apple II invented the PC market in the US. The machine you linked to came out a whole two months before the Mac shipped, and it's predecessors didn't come out until the Mac team had been designing for a year or two.
Moreover they weren't a major manufacturer of PCs. I payed close enough attention to the history of that era that I know about Osborn, TI, Atari, Compaq, etc., but until I'd seen this article I would have sworn HP didn't make a PC until the 90s. I suspect they only marketed to engineering firms, so while their machines had the same specs as truly Personal Computers, they were not intended to be personal in the sense you could buy one for your sister for Christmas.
From the context it's pretty clear he meant "around and making personal computers." Which means this was a statement from marketing that is only untrue if you a) intentionally distort the context, and b) insist on rigorous definition of "personal computer" that includes things like calculators.
Be honest. When's the last time your company's marketing guy was that close to the truth.
Why are you parsing a statement from a marketing fuck so closely? Do you want your head to explode with rage?
"Macintosh era" could mean when it came to market in January of '84. that would still beat Dell by 10 months. But it could also mean when they started developing the damn thing in '78, or when they released the Apple Lisa in January of '83. Moreover that company wasn't called Dell. Dell-badged computers wouldn't be created until '88.
The best way to interpret this is that he was referring to the entire late 70s/early 80s era because he's marketing and they don't remember things like dates very precisely. He was also only referring to major companies, because if you're talking about the top dozen or two PC manufacturers from any point in that era odds are the only one that's still around and selling PCs to consumers is Apple.
Well yeah they kind of invented the fucking things.
Bletchley park called, and they'd like their place in computing history back.
He didn't challenge it. He's talking about mass-produced computers you sell to anyone with a checkbook, with a CRT as an interface, and a QWERTY-keyboard as a controller. Which Bletchley Park did not do.
The Apple II may not have technically been the first of those to exist, but it was definitely the first to make a major impact on the US market.
That's kinda the point.
The title of PC manufacturer sucks, so IBM sold it to the Chinese and kept a stealth-PC-manufacturing business in selling servers.
Which means that of major PC manufacturers from the early 80s Apple is the only that still tries to make money on selling personal computers.
Dude, this is a quote from marketing. Applying engineering-level precision to it is just cruel. Particularly since you know what he meant from the context.
He clearly meant that the big companies that everyone would have recognized as manufacturers of the things we call PCs today (ie: desktops for sale to consumers, but the luggables used as laptops also count), is no longer in the business of making desktops or laptops.
Dell claims they existed in 1984, but they weren't major. HP is apparently convinced that a calculator in 1984 was the equivalent of a desktop computer, because that's all a consumer could buy from them in 1984. The rest of the modern top 10 are a) Apple, b) Sony, or c) some Chinese company.
Even assuming your spin was true, that doesn't detract from his point.
If desktop computers were an easy business to make money in a company like IBM, which makes a lot of other computer-related products, would have stayed in. But it's really fucking hard to stay profitable as a PC-maker because PC-makers put together a bunch of commodity components anyone can buy, which means that the Chinese have your quality at a better price and everyone knows it. Just go down the list of top-10 PC manufacturers in the late 70s/early 80s. Almost all are gone completely. Most of the rest went bankrupt, and were forced out of the PC business completely.
HP is a PC manufacturer today that was around then, but it wasn't a major PC manufacturer in 1978-1984. Dell claims lineage to '84, but Dell wasn't a major PC company until the mid-90s.
Not possible?
He's Vice president of fucking MARKETING. Of course he's gonna over-exaggerate Apple's accomplishments.
And it's not that much of an exaggeration. In marketing speak today a computer is intended for sale to a consumer. It's usually a desktop, but laptops sometimes count. Since there were no laptops in 1984 (luggables were the portable technology everyone loved) and he's a marketing drone he could only mean desktop PC sales to consumers. Which HP didn't do in that era.
And in the '78-'84 era he's referring to the major companies who made computers do not have a good survival rate. Wang, Compaq, Osborn, Commodore, Tandy (remember IBM-Tandy compatibles? If you don't you shouldn't be talking about the history of computing) are simply gone. IBM, Atari, Texas Instruments survived by getting out of the computer business.
Why am I not surprised this comment comes from a guy with Texas in his name...
The OP's in a subdivision, not a 500-acre ranch. He is almost certainly boxed in by his neighbors. None of his neighbors have access to the equipment one needs to dig a ditch through a stream, and (this being South Carolina) there is almost certainly at least one of two between them and modern internet infrastructure.
Moreover if he had 100% support from his neighbors he would simply have gotten an agreement signed by all of them and somebody would be running cables above-ground. So there's one guy who doesn't want his lawn dug up, and in any state but Texas that guy has the right to do things like call the Sheriff and get all his neighbors arrested for trespassing when they disobey his wishes.
If you built it yourself and then said hey AT&T hook up for free you'd clearly be fine. Anybody else who expressed interest could simply be offered the same deal. But you'd have to maintain the cables yourself.
I suspect if you set yourselves up as a private, for-profit corporation you could give the cables to AT&T. If corporations can't give each things the entire private economy becomes illegal.
Depending on the precise legal status of your Home Owner's Association you might be able to run it through them. If they're government you might have problems, if they're officially a private entity that a bunch of private people have given certain rights then they'd be fine.
Hell even if they are government, what does "offered" mean? Does it mean you put a press release in the local small town paper saying "we're giving these cables away to the first taker who can give us decent internet," and you're cool? Or do you have to make a presentation in the board rooms of every ISP in the state?
The best people to ask this are actually your state government elected officials. They know the ins and outs of state law, in some cases their opinion may be legally binding (in Michigan an "Opinion of the Attorney General" is legally binding until some court over-rules him), and most importantly they're the ones who would have to decide to nail your ass to the wall. If they're sympathetic to your internet project then it doesn't really matter whether it's technically an illegal subsidy, because they have Prosecutor Discretion to not arrest you.
It's actually an Academic term because "town, city, village, and hamlet" are very hard to define.There are legal definitions, which frequently contradict each-other, economic definitions, etc.
"Micropolitan" refers to a rural region where the main town is big enough that it's hard to call it a "small town," but has trouble claiming the mantle of "City." Population is in the 10k-50k range. In California a Micropolitan region would typically be a single rural County, whereas in Michigan it would have it's full complement of 36 townships plus, plus the main city, plus a couple small towns.
What state are you in?
The consensus of advice is that you need to a) change the Covenant, b) put up five figures of your neighborhood's money, or c) find a new neighborhood. Depending on your state's laws and precisely how many of your neighbors are willing to show up at the same HOA meeting a) could be doable.
Most American government is designed so the people who show up can dominate the proceedings. This is because the default is typically "nothing changes," and there generally isn't a person whose got the power to fight that default. You have to do that yourself, and you aren't allowed to skype that shit in from your business trip in Ohama. In many other countries they don't have all these tiny little boards of obscure officials that nobody bothers to vote for, and are therefore dominated by the curmudgeonly types who DO know the homeowner's association bylaws; they have tiny little boards of obscure officials that are appointed by the local equivalent of the Governor, Mayor or President.
The latter type can be influenced by people who didn't show up at the meeting because those people voted in the Gubenatorial/Presidential/etc. election and therefore their email from their business trip in Omaha is as important as some unemployed curmudgeon bitching about petty shit because he has nothing to do on Tuesday at 8 PM except bitch about petty crap.
And tell people precisely *why* you're moving. If you're selling your house then this will increase supply of house in your area, hurting property values. If you're stopping a rental this won't affect property values as directly, but it will affect demand for rentals.
Since most Americans retirement is their equity in their house by moving you will convince people that a) you were serious about the internet, and not just whining, and b) that if they don't fix the internet their home's value will collapse, and they will be unable to buy a spot in a decent retirement community.
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And tell people precisely *why* you're moving. If you're selling your house then this will increase supply of house in your area, hurting property values. If you're stopping a rental this won't affect property values as directly, but it will affect demand for rentals.
Since most Americans retirement is their equity in their house by moving you will convince people that a) you were fucking serious about the internet, and not just whining, and b) that if they don't fix the internet their home's value will collapse, and they will be unable to buy a spot in a decent retirement community.
What exactly is a "a semi-rural micropolitan area"?
A place where "hipsters" live? Oh, i dont live in a subdivision like you do, i live in a "a semi-rural micropolitan area"
It's actually the opposite. "Micropolitan" means that you're in a region where the local "city" is 10k-50k, and it is so isolated the government hasn't put it into the Statistical Area that includes a bigger. Semi-rural probably means that he isn't within the City limits.
So he's in the ass end of now-where.
Option 1) isn't just restricted to the Feds. States have more powers to deal with things like this then the Feds because they can do literally anything that isn't specifically forbidden by the Constitution. They have no "enumerated" powers.
A city could also do a lot to screw with a Homeowner's Association because it has the power to say "Fuck you, we're running above-ground utilities."
The problem is that they don't tend to use these powers unless a whole lot of local voters get off their asses and bitch about the tyranny of the HOA, but if a whole lot of voters are doing that they could just vote in the HOA to do something.
If he's going to the trouble of running cable then buying a T3 line or a couple T1s and actually being his own goddamn ISP is perfectly possible.
He's in Ireland's ruling party. He's not in the Cabinet, so it probably won't become law, but he's got more clout then most other TDs.
Assuming he's using "open source web browser" (what else could he be using it to mean? he clearly doesn't know what an actual open source web browser is) to refer to the Silk Road website and TOR network, his idea isn't that different from US Government policy. Or any official government policy.
I believe he's a non-techy abusing technical language he doesn't understand. He seems to be referring to the Silk Road, and it's replacement, with the words "open source browser." Silk Road is the only major source of illegal shit that's recently been shut down in the US, and it has (predictably) already been replaced. He also seems to be lumping various other initiatives (like TOR) with the same words.
It seems like he's an Irish ted Stevens. Some staffer has explained these concepts to him well enough that he kinda gets them, but not well enough for him to remember the words everyone else uses.