Personally I have seen this idea of "progress" and all it means is just more expensive products for the end consumer. A bunch of incompatable and incomphrensible motherboard designs that change every 6 months and prevent easy upgrades, a lack of a standard for anything that lasts even 20 minutes. Yeah that's the kind of thing I like to see. Personally I want a computer that actually *works* that is inexpensive, that has lots of open source applications that are stable, lean, and work, etc. And personally I havn't seen any platform like that.
I once got a check for 14 CENTS (the other 32 cents went for the stamp - Damn!) from a Blue Cross class action suit in Maryland. The suit was for BC overcharging
on premiums. That year my premiums went up over $300. Oh, and I never signed up for the suit. Who made money on that one? The lawyers.
Not entirely unusual by any means. Usually these suits just increase prices for everyone else. That is the part that sucks.
I wonder. Can I sue the goverment for overpayment of taxes due to the surplus. I would love to have a class action against my garbage collectors who find it difficult to
get the trash into the truck rather than on the ground - if they pick it up at all. Can I sue for the pshychological abuse administered by the D.C. Motor Vehicles
Administration (similar to experiencing the Spanish Inquisition).
You can sue for almost any reason under the sun. Usually if you have enought money you can sue.
About your points for 1 and 2 aren't most prices in California usually massively overpriced anyway? Housing, food, cars, almost everything is more expensive same as living in New York.
3. Uhhh What about all those commercial unixes and other operating systems like QNX that are not free (yet) there are still a few.
I'm guessing, from experience with previous class action lawsuits, if the state wins, any person who has purchased certain MS products in the state of California will be
entitled to a rebate in the mail. You'll probably have to do the footwork on this yourself, as in, it won't be mailed to you, you need to go out and find this for yourself,
mail it in, along with proof of purchase, etc...
Yeah that will be a big savings. Wow gee you get $40 that might buy a candy bar.
I can get a copy of windows far cheaper where I live and there isn't all that extremism. People can whine about microsoft but they cannot change what they have no control over. Like it or not I think microsoft will last at least as long As Ford.
Ok the spy in me wants to know how exactly did they find out. Personally I probably could (with enough cash) come up with a method of taking pictures and the like without their knowing very easily. Just take a miniture pinhole camera and then put it into your briefcase lining or in a bowtie or something similar. Do they have massive surveylance or do they have some sort of electromagnetic detector?
I certainly would not get something because it said so on Freenet. I mostly just like the idea of freenet and the power that one could have. I take money and money related items very seriously when it comes to my money. Too many people have been scammed on the internet.
like http://www.intel.com or http://www.amd.com or http://www.pcmag.com or any of several others that aren't run by a single point of failure about a single topic that a person must take at face value. Unlike most people on this site I don't have an extra 20,000 somolians lieing around to spend on hardware. I have to take the cheap stuff. What about something about getting the cheapest real computer that will run linux or how about preformance differences of say early Pentiums (a comptuer I actually might buy in the near future). Things like that. I don't have sound hardware, I don't have massive and strange video cards, I can't (I wish I could) just pop in a new CPU that actually works, things like that. Personally with a lot of money riding on something I don't see how I can trust a fly by night operation and quite frankly I don't trust the internet very much.
I thought and still think from various sources over the years that getting a computer meant that the damn thing was supposed to work for an indefinite period of time. It's supposed to be an *investment* afterall and one of the rules of investments should be a good rate of return. Overclocking is and has been known to dangerously decrease the length of a computer's processor and it's ability to function properly. I never have been able to overclock mine and I doubt if anyone ever bothered to publish a book from a reputable source indicating how exactly in no uncertain terms how it should have been done. I't just not a good idea. I don't have extensive training in electronics and the like and I don't like hardware to die. Reliability is the main and in fact should be the only thing gudeing a purtchess after price. Where will reliability go if you start overclocking something that wasn't meant to be actually *run* at the speed that it's been forced to run at. Sure a model T can be forced to run the Indy 500 but that isn't going to be good for even 1 lap at those speeds. My point is if I am paying anyone anything I expect quality for my money not some device that was designed for people to monkey aroudn with it to get it to even work properly. No that that's out of the way I think that Intel is making a double standard by preventing people from shooting themselves in the foot by taking the gun and shooting everyone else's feet first. It's just bad manners.
Speaking as someone who would rather be given a single gunshot wound to the head and dumped into the Alaskan wilderness than deal with having a processor not last as long because of overclocking I wonder how many other chips are in fact overclocked and consequently offer false advertising in the form of fraud? I don't know why this is going on at all but I don't like the sound of it. I knew that modern hardware seemed more unstable than it should be from it's past. Is this the reason?
I mean spending almost a grand on the stupid processor and then have to reduce speed on them (presumably the reasn you spent so much money). That really isn't a good idea.
So let me get this straight why is a company doing a procedure that they themselves don't recommend to anyone? Also wasn't there a slashdot piece of shady computer companies that were supposedly selling overclocked chips in their machines to rip people off what about suing?
You mean they didn't engage in overclocking which is not recommended by intel because of reduced processor life and stability and generating a large ammount of heat? I'd say that "conservative" is pretty stardard practice.
Intel does indeed have labs they can do testing at. I personally doubt that some hobbiest on the internet was the first one or in fact the only one including the people at Intel's own R&D labs that found the problem. Personally I question a person who goes it alone and does all this work himself without thinking that he is either an AMD plant or works for another concern like Microsoft to discredit everyone except whom he is supposed to discredit. My question is who pays this "Tom" guy's wage?
1. Comparable preformance to a 486
2. Costs the same used (roughly I can get now a low end pentium 90 for $100 ).
3. Dosn't need massive hardware requirements for it's native OS.
4. Actually sold by lots of local vendors (I currently reside in SLC, Ut for now) I have never seen a vendor that sold Sun hardware within 100 miles of my location.
Personally I thought that the affinity with communism was basically dead after the Regan years and such but I guess the young never learn easily.
Well, if you want proof. then just look at the benchmarks, and the overall chip design.
What that the countries are broke and people are starving en mass. Nope.
These huge corporations keep getting bigger and bigger, allowing themselves a stranglehold on the industry, and in doing so, they become hugely beauracratic,
heirarchical, and conservative.
Under capitalism you don't need to be big. In fact early American merchants who operated under capitalism didn't have problems. In fact it took almost roughly 50-75 years to see a glimmer of problems. Even that wasn't bad because these developments appear to actually develop society.
So some horrible design issue is found in one of Intel's products, something that would guarantee failure for a smaller company, and what happens? Intel denies a
few allegations, issues a few workarounds to Microsoft, and hires a few new spin doctors to make sure everything works okay.
Those things are called lies. Kind of like "We are at war with Eurasia we have always been at war with Eurasia" and like the Russian films that were still being played in 1980's Moscow that depicted America living in the Great Depression right? Learn to read a history book along with all those O' Reiley publications.
The computer industry is just catching on to this. The oil and tobacco industries have been doing it for years. Microsoft shows an uncanny brilliance for turning a
bumbling mistake into a "feature." But at least, unlike Shell, they're covering up system crashes and not genocide.
Whoa hold on there now I actually want you to show me that Shell is operating concentration camps or commiting mass murder before you make statements like that. I think you are stretching the truth.
And preventing bad news from becomming public has been a feature of men in high places since Sumeria it won't stop any time soon.
It took Communism around 80 years to become so big and unwieldy that it collapsed under it's own weight. After 114 years of corporate rule (SANTA CLARA
COUNTY v. SOUTHERN PACIFIC RAILROAD COMPANY ), it seems that the incredible arrogance of corporate capitalism is putting it on the same route.
Corporations are not exactly the best model for capitalism. More like mom and pop types of things. The whole idea of capitalism was for *anyone* to start selling *now* instead of getting billions in venture capital to get it going.
Oh and nice going the Railroad monopolies were broken at least 100 years ago and they havn't been back since. Remember Credit Mobielaire? This isn't the Grant Administration.
I can actually attest that the kernels *prior* to the 1.0 release worked on x86 hardware of the day. Case in point I have a copy of a debian beta that works on kernel 0.99 or something and it worked when I decided to install it on my 486/66 proof enough for you?
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Personally I have seen this idea of "progress" and all it means is just more expensive products for the end consumer. A bunch of incompatable and incomphrensible motherboard designs that change every 6 months and prevent easy upgrades, a lack of a standard for anything that lasts even 20 minutes. Yeah that's the kind of thing I like to see. Personally I want a computer that actually *works* that is inexpensive, that has lots of open source applications that are stable, lean, and work, etc. And personally I havn't seen any platform like that.
I use it pretty much exclusively when I am not at my linux machine.
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Personally I can't stand the stupid paperclip. And Word 2000 still has it
Like War and Peace :). Usually it only took my an hour or so to get mine but I guess I live in another lower population density center than you.
I once got a check for 14 CENTS (the other 32 cents went for the stamp - Damn!) from a Blue Cross class action suit in Maryland. The suit was for BC overcharging
on premiums. That year my premiums went up over $300. Oh, and I never signed up for the suit. Who made money on that one? The lawyers.
Not entirely unusual by any means. Usually these suits just increase prices for everyone else. That is the part that sucks.
I wonder. Can I sue the goverment for overpayment of taxes due to the surplus. I would love to have a class action against my garbage collectors who find it difficult to
get the trash into the truck rather than on the ground - if they pick it up at all. Can I sue for the pshychological abuse administered by the D.C. Motor Vehicles
Administration (similar to experiencing the Spanish Inquisition).
You can sue for almost any reason under the sun. Usually if you have enought money you can sue.
About your points for 1 and 2 aren't most prices in California usually massively overpriced anyway? Housing, food, cars, almost everything is more expensive same as living in New York.
3. Uhhh What about all those commercial unixes and other operating systems like QNX that are not free (yet) there are still a few.
I'm guessing, from experience with previous class action lawsuits, if the state wins, any person who has purchased certain MS products in the state of California will be
entitled to a rebate in the mail. You'll probably have to do the footwork on this yourself, as in, it won't be mailed to you, you need to go out and find this for yourself,
mail it in, along with proof of purchase, etc...
Yeah that will be a big savings. Wow gee you get $40 that might buy a candy bar.
I can get a copy of windows far cheaper where I live and there isn't all that extremism. People can whine about microsoft but they cannot change what they have no control over. Like it or not I think microsoft will last at least as long As Ford.
Both of the examples cited are in fact examples of companies who have lost billions by sueing people for no apparant reason.
Ok the spy in me wants to know how exactly did they find out. Personally I probably could (with enough cash) come up with a method of taking pictures and the like without their knowing very easily. Just take a miniture pinhole camera and then put it into your briefcase lining or in a bowtie or something similar. Do they have massive surveylance or do they have some sort of electromagnetic detector?
I certainly would not get something because it said so on Freenet. I mostly just like the idea of freenet and the power that one could have.
I take money and money related items very seriously when it comes to my money. Too many people have been scammed on the internet.
like http://www.intel.com or http://www.amd.com or http://www.pcmag.com or any of several others that aren't run by a single point of failure about a single topic that a person must take at face value. Unlike most people on this site I don't have an extra 20,000 somolians lieing around to spend on hardware. I have to take the cheap stuff. What about something about getting the cheapest real computer that will run linux or how about preformance differences of say early Pentiums (a comptuer I actually might buy in the near future). Things like that. I don't have sound hardware, I don't have massive and strange video cards, I can't (I wish I could) just pop in a new CPU that actually works, things like that. Personally with a lot of money riding on something I don't see how I can trust a fly by night operation and quite frankly I don't trust the internet very much.
I thought and still think from various sources over the years that getting a computer meant that the damn thing was supposed to work for an indefinite period of time. It's supposed to be an *investment* afterall and one of the rules of investments should be a good rate of return. Overclocking is and has been known to dangerously decrease the length of a computer's processor and it's ability to function properly. I never have been able to overclock mine and I doubt if anyone ever bothered to publish a book from a reputable source indicating how exactly in no uncertain terms how it should have been done. I't just not a good idea. I don't have extensive training in electronics and the like and I don't like hardware to die. Reliability is the main and in fact should be the only thing gudeing a purtchess after price. Where will reliability go if you start overclocking something that wasn't meant to be actually *run* at the speed that it's been forced to run at. Sure a model T can be forced to run the Indy 500 but that isn't going to be good for even 1 lap at those speeds. My point is if I am paying anyone anything I expect quality for my money not some device that was designed for people to monkey aroudn with it to get it to even work properly. No that that's out of the way I think that Intel is making a double standard by preventing people from shooting themselves in the foot by taking the gun and shooting everyone else's feet first. It's just bad manners.
I never actually did that stuff with my computer at all.
What is he a doctor of? And I can probably name some other scientists who know more about hardware than he does. What gives him so much say.
Speaking as someone who would rather be given a single gunshot wound to the head and dumped into the Alaskan wilderness than deal with having a processor not last as long because of overclocking I wonder how many other chips are in fact overclocked and consequently offer false advertising in the form of fraud? I don't know why this is going on at all but I don't like the sound of it. I knew that modern hardware seemed more unstable than it should be from it's past. Is this the reason?
I mean spending almost a grand on the stupid processor and then have to reduce speed on them (presumably the reasn you spent so much money). That really isn't a good idea.
So let me get this straight why is a company doing a procedure that they themselves don't recommend to anyone? Also wasn't there a slashdot piece of shady computer companies that were supposedly selling overclocked chips in their machines to rip people off what about suing?
You mean they didn't engage in overclocking which is not recommended by intel because of reduced processor life and stability and generating a large ammount of heat? I'd say that "conservative" is pretty stardard practice.
Intel does indeed have labs they can do testing at. I personally doubt that some hobbiest on the internet was the first one or in fact the only one including the people at Intel's own R&D labs that found the problem. Personally I question a person who goes it alone and does all this work himself without thinking that he is either an AMD plant or works for another concern like Microsoft to discredit everyone except whom he is supposed to discredit. My question is who pays this "Tom" guy's wage?
Well let's see what if my application works best on sun hardware and I want to continue to use them as a vendor? Maybe then.
1. Comparable preformance to a 486
2. Costs the same used (roughly I can get now a low end pentium 90 for $100 ).
3. Dosn't need massive hardware requirements for it's native OS.
4. Actually sold by lots of local vendors (I currently reside in SLC, Ut for now) I have never seen a vendor that sold Sun hardware within 100 miles of my location.
All intel and all worked fine with linux. Although windows can tolerate worse memory problems than linux can usually.
Dosn't the ram even in older computers usually have self correcting mechanisms that prevent these types of problems?
Looks interesting
Personally I thought that the affinity with communism was basically dead after the Regan years and such but I guess the young never learn easily.
Well, if you want proof. then just look at the benchmarks, and the overall chip design.
What that the countries are broke and people are starving en mass. Nope.
These huge corporations keep getting bigger and bigger, allowing themselves a stranglehold on the industry, and in doing so, they become hugely beauracratic,
heirarchical, and conservative.
Under capitalism you don't need to be big. In fact early American merchants who operated under capitalism didn't have problems. In fact it took almost roughly 50-75 years to see a glimmer of problems. Even that wasn't bad because these developments appear to actually develop society.
So some horrible design issue is found in one of Intel's products, something that would guarantee failure for a smaller company, and what happens? Intel denies a
few allegations, issues a few workarounds to Microsoft, and hires a few new spin doctors to make sure everything works okay.
Those things are called lies. Kind of like "We are at war with Eurasia we have always been at war with Eurasia" and like the Russian films that were still being played in 1980's Moscow that depicted America living in the Great Depression right? Learn to read a history book along with all those O' Reiley publications.
The computer industry is just catching on to this. The oil and tobacco industries have been doing it for years. Microsoft shows an uncanny brilliance for turning a
bumbling mistake into a "feature." But at least, unlike Shell, they're covering up system crashes and not genocide.
Whoa hold on there now I actually want you to show me that Shell is operating concentration camps or commiting mass murder before you make statements like that. I think you are stretching the truth.
And preventing bad news from becomming public has been a feature of men in high places since Sumeria it won't stop any time soon.
It took Communism around 80 years to become so big and unwieldy that it collapsed under it's own weight. After 114 years of corporate rule (SANTA CLARA
COUNTY v. SOUTHERN PACIFIC RAILROAD COMPANY ), it seems that the incredible arrogance of corporate capitalism is putting it on the same route.
Corporations are not exactly the best model for capitalism. More like mom and pop types of things. The whole idea of capitalism was for *anyone* to start selling *now* instead of getting billions in venture capital to get it going.
Oh and nice going the Railroad monopolies were broken at least 100 years ago and they havn't been back since. Remember Credit Mobielaire? This isn't the Grant Administration.
I can actually attest that the kernels *prior* to the 1.0 release worked on x86 hardware of the day. Case in point I have a copy of a debian beta that works on kernel 0.99 or something and it worked when I decided to install it on my 486/66 proof enough for you?