Hell yeah access to alt.sex.stories, and alt.sex.stories.moderated and others. And massive archives if my regular news server fucks up. Actually you can get really juicy stuff off deja if you look.
In some cultures budity isn't really seen as that bad. What I think gradually happens is that once the shock of seeing a woman naked wares off you start to notice more of the things that mentally and socially makes her a woman instead of just the physical. Sure I can sit all day looking at women at the train station or a bus stop, or hell even the pristine library and think about various sexual encounters with them but that gets boring really, really, really fast. If I am married I think more of the person who I married than the body.
Throughout my childhood I was raised in a lower middle class family in America. In general we couldn't just buy any fool thing off the TV and so I eventually figured out I didn't need that junk and I think am a better person for it. I can now not be tempted when some stupid pop-up banner ad or slashdot ad decides to sell me another piece of junk I don't need again for the 18th time. Also notice the loss of effectiveness that banner ads are having and you get the general jist of it.
They also have pokemon?? Coincidence?? I think not;) But seriously pedophiles really should be given some good porn and let them scuttle off to wack off to it than let them bugger another kid. Represed sexual drive and all that good Freudian stuff. PS. How exactly are the Nielson ratings calculated? How do ratings actually work?
This reminds me of the "witch trials" of Salem, Massachusetts in the early 17th century. People accusing others of heineous crimes (being a witch) and people got screwed for it. There is nothing stopping me from calling Rob Malda or William Jefferson Clinton a sex offender. But what you can be sure of is that unlike 1619 people are smarter than that. You are innocent until *proven* guilty for any crime under the sun. It is impossible to prevent the senario you described if people instantly react. However the is a standard of reason that prevents such things.
Actually all the things you have named are individuals uninformed and biased interpretation of information. Let me please clear some things up for you. 1. You really would have no bounds for charging anyone with a sex offense with false evidence. Eventually you will be found to be a fraud and most likely cuonter sued at least, or worst you may find yourself getting a shotgun in the face by a man in black clothing. 2. Your child really must be (no offense) dumber than dirt to be influenced by some stupid ex-farmer from Iowa who decided to but his neo-Nazi web site up for fun and kicks. Give kids more credit than that. Hell it's common knowledge amongst my younger brothers and sisters that the telletubbies is just a from for the portrayl of a gay childrens character. Kids are not stupid. 3. So like if I say "Andover.net is a sham business they hire slaves in Cambodia to moderate posts" that will automatically prove to be the downfall of slashdot right? Most companies are smarter than that and most large brokerages are *way* smarter than that. The only way anyting close to this is going to happen without a lot of luck is if Cletus is the majority stock holder. 4. Information has side affects. You know more and become wiser for it. What people are seeing now is that people are becomming less and less able to be essentially talked into doing anything and more likely to follow their bliss. What you are saying is that you fear that little Billy is going to see the naked people on the internet and become a child molester right? As far as I can tell most sex offenders are usualyl not over sexed porn addicts but repressed middle aged men who never married, had a steady girl or anything resembling good sexual relations with anyone. Hell maybe providing freer access to porn would actually *prevent* sexual battery and the like.
In short your ideas are not really that remarkable. People can be suckered and fooled in almost any time. That dosn't mean that we should totally restrict things because of a few outcries of data outliers in the system.
That's where people really fall flat. For example if you say out of the 4,000 people who I have met in Alabama 300 of them are rednecks or something liek that. Remember sterotypes are in fact the improper application of statistics on a population without proper attribution of source or relative strength of the sample.
I remember looking at what Bess was filtering at my local highschool a number of years ago and the arrogant bastards had filtered all of *.geocities.com* and all sorts of other free homepage sites. Along with blocking the regular porn their justification for this was that on their homepage as I recall that if you have a free homepage you can use it for vulgar, profane, or pornographic speech. Naturally I got quite irritated at this. It seemed that you have to have money for you opinions to be worth a damn.
Now I personally know of a few means of screwing over proxies and filters. For one foreign language sites or sites that use non arabic derived characters (like Polish, Russian, etc) were easily able to get through. I remember getting a few jollies looking at some Polish porn site through the filter. Then there was the time that I was able to take the anonymizer proxy base url and use it to get to Playboy.com. That was damn funny. The point is that when the shitty proxy went up I immediately began to think up ways to bypass it almost from the beginning. When you say that you are filtering anything it becomes like your mother not to look at those girlie magazanes because they are bad. What is usually the first thing that Billy does? He goes for the first porn mag he can find because it's automatically evil. Oh and images aren't constrained to graphics pixels. Ascii art renderers such as aview can take your busty broad and convert her into letters of the ascii character set. Then with a good enough computer (any modern machine with plenty of ram will work) you can make a large dump of the image and then cut it into many pieces vertically and horizontally and make billboard size porn from this and a good laserprinter (black and white works best).
In ecconomic theory there is a point of diminishing returns or essence the derivitive of the utility function. If you were to totally censor a connection then it would appear very literally useless and few people would use it but it would be secure. However if it's left wide open teenage libidio would make sure that porn would be found and a number might leave thus loosing utility for many. As many posters have said public embarassment is perhaps one of the best ways to keep rifraf inline and follow the rules. I think that censoring anything is bad in and of itself. What should be made clear is the purpose of the computer facility in question. People really need to have a good idea of the purpose of things when they get into them. Kind of like a Church now I don't really go to church but I would thing that in all (almost all) churches a copy of Hustler wouldn't exactly be seen as good reading material for the place. Also at a baseball game reading War and Peace is out of place. Peer pressure is a good thing so take it to the logical extreme.
Use a web of trust to validate sites that are in fact basically porn free. Make this a distributed effort and have it coordinated via multiple trusted parties for information. Then you can take something like wget or lynx and crawl those sites for the basic data that people need for reports or other stuff regularly (say every week). Other stuff like email serivices could be prvided via known spam blocking parties (if you really don't like the *interesting* spam getting in). Another thing would be to perhaps take a realtime network sniffer and take all url streams you come accross. Then get one of those nifty little LCD projectors and have it project the workstation number of what each prson is seeing and have it on the wall in a central location. Billy will be a little less likely looking at http://www.straponlesbians.com if he is going to have that broadcast on the wall.
A beaver is instinctually given a set of abilities from it's genetic structure and it's parents. Basically it needs a home and because it has seen others build and maintain log dams and the like and because it feels "right" to do they do such. What differentitates man is that he can do something that perhaps he wasn't originally thinking about or that he "feels" is initially correct. For example I can spend my life living in the wilds of Afghanistan or Africa but because of my ability to reason my reasoning will essentially work for survival say in New York or Bejing. The ability of man to adapt aprart from DNA is pure biology is what makes him supreme throughout the land. Other creatures do not live they simply live long enough to reprouduce and then oftentimes they die rather rapidly after that. Not a happy life at all. Also self awareness isn't something that most animals you can name. Being sentient is a quality that is what allows for true world change.
If people hadn't tried to change the world human history would nto have changed very much in 3,000,000 odd years of evolution. In fact in eastern philosophy animal instincts are the lowest forms of thinking but man is the only creature with true enlightment. Animals do not have any sufficiently logical reason to advance any form of civilization. The closests things are maybe schools of dolphins or tribes of apes and they really don't keep written reccords or anything. The world is adaptable and changeable in some form. What would have happened to the inventor of the PC if he/she thought that it was easier not to change the world than to change it? I guess as profesdsor frink would say computers would be 10 times larger and only the 5 richest kings of Europe would have them now I guess.
Here's a good idea just run a web browser like say lynx. Then they get access to the net and all you have to deal with is the written smut and the like ( I personally am very font of written smut but that's a discussion for another day). Another good idea. Would be to do a content grabbing method like spidering or crawling the web. Want to know a really good secret. Operate a proxy server that you route the stuff through and keep your cached documents on that you grabbed. Lynx basically can already do this and has for some time. Only problem is when applied to slashdot you get crap when you want the comments. My solution to this is actually to get the lynx2-7 code and compile it. However it does need one little change there is a conflict in the interpretation of basic error logging in one file in the WWW library when building that conflicts with stdio.h. It's their fault and you just change the applicted file with the correct line in stdio.h. That being said it allows for crawling via slashdot and keeps nested mode (which relies on nested tables) working and you can keep your login via the login string in your Preferences that slashdot allows.
Now that being said I really do think that allowing access to the net is almost a necessity for some things. I also believe that people should have all the access they can handle. Someone mentioned smartcards for access to your computer system. I submit that a person should get graduated access to various portions of the web based on some loosely defined age criterion. At first access could be granted via simple under 18 over 18 type of thing. Make people who want to access the over 18 classification in a seperate bank of machines that are kept secluded and away from youngsters. Perhaps a finer tuning for the junior high could be imposed. Just have an initial fee to cover media costs for the smart card media and allow for logging of all sites that are not agreed on via the smart card and then change the parameters.
People who act unreasonably may be the victors of the day but it comes at a very high price. You personally reviewing the materials that people need on a case by case basis might be the only option unless you have the desire to write the first AI bot for web filtering in perl. Whoever picked an area near a junior high should be beaned on the head. I suspect that whatever you choose these kids are going to fully stress test this system.
In theory if this is just some plain ascii text file. What creeps me out is that you fear the government but you don't fear the ivory tower "intellectuals" who are making the list in the first place. I personally would just want to download the list and then edit it as the need arose.
is under control of the FCC and the FTC. Also first ammendment rights and civil rights apply. What do you have to say to that besides a one word refrain?
Really I would love to see some rather wealthy people sue some lazy sysadmins. That would be nice. As I see it if people want to anal about spam that's their business but I don't have to constantly hear people bitch about it. I never receive a piece of spam at all.
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Hell yeah access to alt.sex.stories, and alt.sex.stories.moderated and others. And massive archives if my regular news server fucks up. Actually you can get really juicy stuff off deja if you look.
In some cultures budity isn't really seen as that bad.
What I think gradually happens is that once the shock of seeing a woman naked wares off you start to notice more of the things that mentally and socially makes her a woman instead of just the physical.
Sure I can sit all day looking at women at the train station or a bus stop, or hell even the pristine library and think about various sexual encounters with them but that gets boring really, really, really fast.
If I am married I think more of the person who I married than the body.
Throughout my childhood I was raised in a lower middle class family in America. In general we couldn't just buy any fool thing off the TV and so I eventually figured out I didn't need that junk and I think am a better person for it.
I can now not be tempted when some stupid pop-up banner ad or slashdot ad decides to sell me another piece of junk I don't need again for the 18th time.
Also notice the loss of effectiveness that banner ads are having and you get the general jist of it.
They also have pokemon?? Coincidence?? I think not ;)
But seriously pedophiles really should be given some good porn and let them scuttle off to wack off to it than let them bugger another kid. Represed sexual drive and all that good Freudian stuff.
PS. How exactly are the Nielson ratings calculated? How do ratings actually work?
This reminds me of the "witch trials" of Salem, Massachusetts in the early 17th century. People accusing others of heineous crimes (being a witch) and people got screwed for it.
There is nothing stopping me from calling Rob Malda or William Jefferson Clinton a sex offender. But what you can be sure of is that unlike 1619 people are smarter than that. You are innocent until *proven* guilty for any crime under the sun.
It is impossible to prevent the senario you described if people instantly react. However the is a standard of reason that prevents such things.
Actually all the things you have named are individuals uninformed and biased interpretation of information. Let me please clear some things up for you.
1. You really would have no bounds for charging anyone with a sex offense with false evidence. Eventually you will be found to be a fraud and most likely cuonter sued at least, or worst you may find yourself getting a shotgun in the face by a man in black clothing.
2. Your child really must be (no offense) dumber than dirt to be influenced by some stupid ex-farmer from Iowa who decided to but his neo-Nazi web site up for fun and kicks. Give kids more credit than that. Hell it's common knowledge amongst my younger brothers and sisters that the telletubbies is just a from for the portrayl of a gay childrens character. Kids are not stupid.
3. So like if I say "Andover.net is a sham business they hire slaves in Cambodia to moderate posts" that will automatically prove to be the downfall of slashdot right? Most companies are smarter than that and most large brokerages are *way* smarter than that. The only way anyting close to this is going to happen without a lot of luck is if Cletus is the majority stock holder.
4. Information has side affects. You know more and become wiser for it. What people are seeing now is that people are becomming less and less able to be essentially talked into doing anything and more likely to follow their bliss.
What you are saying is that you fear that little Billy is going to see the naked people on the internet and become a child molester right? As far as I can tell most sex offenders are usualyl not over sexed porn addicts but repressed middle aged men who never married, had a steady girl or anything resembling good sexual relations with anyone. Hell maybe providing freer access to porn would actually *prevent* sexual battery and the like.
In short your ideas are not really that remarkable. People can be suckered and fooled in almost any time. That dosn't mean that we should totally restrict things because of a few outcries of data outliers in the system.
I have been around slashdot lerking on slashdot for some time never heard of it.
That's where people really fall flat. For example if you say out of the 4,000 people who I have met in Alabama 300 of them are rednecks or something liek that.
Remember sterotypes are in fact the improper application of statistics on a population without proper attribution of source or relative strength of the sample.
Or use one of those nice little broadcast utilities like netware has and flafsh a little massage box like Billy is looking at porn. Works for me
I remember looking at what Bess was filtering at my local highschool a number of years ago and the arrogant bastards had filtered all of *.geocities.com* and all sorts of other free homepage sites.
Along with blocking the regular porn their justification for this was that on their homepage as I recall that if you have a free homepage you can use it for vulgar, profane, or pornographic speech. Naturally I got quite irritated at this. It seemed that you have to have money for you opinions to be worth a damn.
Now I personally know of a few means of screwing over proxies and filters. For one foreign language sites or sites that use non arabic derived characters (like Polish, Russian, etc) were easily able to get through. I remember getting a few jollies looking at some Polish porn site through the filter. Then there was the time that I was able to take the anonymizer proxy base url and use it to get to Playboy.com. That was damn funny.
The point is that when the shitty proxy went up I immediately began to think up ways to bypass it almost from the beginning. When you say that you are filtering anything it becomes like your mother not to look at those girlie magazanes because they are bad. What is usually the first thing that Billy does? He goes for the first porn mag he can find because it's automatically evil.
Oh and images aren't constrained to graphics pixels. Ascii art renderers such as aview can take your busty broad and convert her into letters of the ascii character set. Then with a good enough computer (any modern machine with plenty of ram will work) you can make a large dump of the image and then cut it into many pieces vertically and horizontally and make billboard size porn from this and a good laserprinter (black and white works best).
Either way you get screwed
In ecconomic theory there is a point of diminishing returns or essence the derivitive of the utility function.
If you were to totally censor a connection then it would appear very literally useless and few people would use it but it would be secure. However if it's left wide open teenage libidio would make sure that porn would be found and a number might leave thus loosing utility for many.
As many posters have said public embarassment is perhaps one of the best ways to keep rifraf inline and follow the rules.
I think that censoring anything is bad in and of itself. What should be made clear is the purpose of the computer facility in question. People really need to have a good idea of the purpose of things when they get into them.
Kind of like a Church now I don't really go to church but I would thing that in all (almost all) churches a copy of Hustler wouldn't exactly be seen as good reading material for the place.
Also at a baseball game reading War and Peace is out of place. Peer pressure is a good thing so take it to the logical extreme.
Use a web of trust to validate sites that are in fact basically porn free. Make this a distributed effort and have it coordinated via multiple trusted parties for information.
Then you can take something like wget or lynx and crawl those sites for the basic data that people need for reports or other stuff regularly (say every week). Other stuff like email serivices could be prvided via known spam blocking parties (if you really don't like the *interesting* spam getting in).
Another thing would be to perhaps take a realtime network sniffer and take all url streams you come accross. Then get one of those nifty little LCD projectors and have it project the workstation number of what each prson is seeing and have it on the wall in a central location. Billy will be a little less likely looking at http://www.straponlesbians.com if he is going to have that broadcast on the wall.
A beaver is instinctually given a set of abilities from it's genetic structure and it's parents.
Basically it needs a home and because it has seen others build and maintain log dams and the like and because it feels "right" to do they do such.
What differentitates man is that he can do something that perhaps he wasn't originally thinking about or that he "feels" is initially correct.
For example I can spend my life living in the wilds of Afghanistan or Africa but because of my ability to reason my reasoning will essentially work for survival say in New York or Bejing. The ability of man to adapt aprart from DNA is pure biology is what makes him supreme throughout the land. Other creatures do not live they simply live long enough to reprouduce and then oftentimes they die rather rapidly after that. Not a happy life at all. Also self awareness isn't something that most animals you can name. Being sentient is a quality that is what allows for true world change.
If people hadn't tried to change the world human history would nto have changed very much in 3,000,000 odd years of evolution.
In fact in eastern philosophy animal instincts are the lowest forms of thinking but man is the only creature with true enlightment.
Animals do not have any sufficiently logical reason to advance any form of civilization. The closests things are maybe schools of dolphins or tribes of apes and they really don't keep written reccords or anything.
The world is adaptable and changeable in some form.
What would have happened to the inventor of the PC if he/she thought that it was easier not to change the world than to change it? I guess as profesdsor frink would say computers would be 10 times larger and only the 5 richest kings of Europe would have them now I guess.
Here's a good idea just run a web browser like say lynx. Then they get access to the net and all you have to deal with is the written smut and the like ( I personally am very font of written smut but that's a discussion for another day).
Another good idea. Would be to do a content grabbing method like spidering or crawling the web.
Want to know a really good secret. Operate a proxy server that you route the stuff through and keep your cached documents on that you grabbed. Lynx basically can already do this and has for some time. Only problem is when applied to slashdot you get crap when you want the comments. My solution to this is actually to get the lynx2-7 code and compile it. However it does need one little change there is a conflict in the interpretation of basic error logging in one file in the WWW library when building that conflicts with stdio.h. It's their fault and you just change the applicted file with the correct line in stdio.h. That being said it allows for crawling via slashdot and keeps nested mode (which relies on nested tables) working and you can keep your login via the login string in your Preferences that slashdot allows.
Now that being said I really do think that allowing access to the net is almost a necessity for some things. I also believe that people should have all the access they can handle. Someone mentioned smartcards for access to your computer system. I submit that a person should get graduated access to various portions of the web based on some loosely defined age criterion. At first access could be granted via simple under 18 over 18 type of thing. Make people who want to access the over 18 classification in a seperate bank of machines that are kept secluded and away from youngsters.
Perhaps a finer tuning for the junior high could be imposed. Just have an initial fee to cover media costs for the smart card media and allow for logging of all sites that are not agreed on via the smart card and then change the parameters.
People who act unreasonably may be the victors of the day but it comes at a very high price. You personally reviewing the materials that people need on a case by case basis might be the only option unless you have the desire to write the first AI bot for web filtering in perl.
Whoever picked an area near a junior high should be beaned on the head. I suspect that whatever you choose these kids are going to fully stress test this system.
Some are more lethal than others
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What evidence do you have? Name any country in the world and I can name at least 10 things wrong with it.
It's not that hard. You don't want that email hit the Delete key and bam it's gone
I don't consider promotional ads for products and services that I may want to be spam. Therefore I don't receive spam at all.
I check my mail automagically about every 10 minutes dosn't hurt me
In theory if this is just some plain ascii text file.
What creeps me out is that you fear the government but you don't fear the ivory tower "intellectuals" who are making the list in the first place. I personally would just want to download the list and then edit it as the need arose.
is under control of the FCC and the FTC. Also first ammendment rights and civil rights apply. What do you have to say to that besides a one word refrain?
nt
Really I would love to see some rather wealthy people sue some lazy sysadmins. That would be nice. As I see it if people want to anal about spam that's their business but I don't have to constantly hear people bitch about it. I never receive a piece of spam at all.