When you read a website, YOU HAVE SPARE CYCLES I never claimed to not have any. I just said that the client is using more than just the spare ones. The reason is that the default priority is MEDIUM. That would be a higher priority than LOW. Ok, so just change the prio to LOW, you say. Mmmmmkay, but when it returns from screensaver mode, guess what. The prio is now MEDIUM again.
The other guy was right, somewhat - much of the problem is in the OS (NT4.0), not the client. However, when you change the priority of a task, it should by God stay there. Maybe this also is NT's fault, I don't know enuf about it to say.
I do know that on my Linux machine it regularly consumes over 90% of my processor and I can't even tell due to -nice 20.
I've been running it on my Linux box at home w/ -nice 19 and it uses 80-90% of the processor, yet I wouldn't even know it's running if I didn't check the CPU meter or top once in a while.
I also agree w/ Lamont that rc5 is becoming pointless. They've essentially proved that DES-64 sux and RC5-64 rox. What's the point in continuing? They should get the OGR client done asap and drop the crypto stuff.
I also found that it works ok on NT w/ priority set to low, but the default is medium which kills my P2-333. Also when it returns from screensaver mode, the priority is set back to medium if you've changed it to low.
You should be able to run multiple clients if you put them in different directories. When the client cranks up, it creates a bunch of *.txt files. These files must be kept segregated since they contain the data being analyzed.
After Dark (the screen saver) had a Penrose tile option. It's a wonder he didn't sue them too! That would be like Einstein suing someone for using E=mc^2.
I don't have the book in front of me either and it's been a while since I read it. But iirc his assertion was that the brain solves problems in a quantum manner. All 'possible' solutions exist simutaneously in a state of superposition until the state vector collapses to a single solution. This effectively parallelizes the solution to the problem. One manefestation of this process is when solutions pop into your head out of the blue when you're thinking about something else entirely.
I'll agree that the evidence of all this was less than overwhelming, but he admitted that in the book. I think it was mostly presented as food for thought and to try to spur on some research in directions heretofore unexplored. He may have modified this argument somewhat in the second book, as I said, I understood little of that one.
In any case, along the way I learned a lot about chaos, number theory, relativity & quantum mechanics, all of which I find more interesting than AI anyway.
I really dug it and didn't see any of what I would consider hand waving. Yes, it was pretty longwinded and he used a very roundabout path to get where he was going, but I thought it was an interesting path. I perceived his argument as more along the lines of: deep down, the mind doesn't work like a digital computer, it works more like a quantum computer so we can't expect a digital computer to mimic the operation of an intelligent mind.
Now his follow-up book left me in the dust; I barely understood a word of it. That smacked of hand waving I suppose, but I attributed it to my quantum computer not having enough states.
Didn't know about the toilet paper suit - that's funny. What was it all about? (Not that it has anything to do with this thread)
Hmmm, I was thinking more along the lines of Roger Penrose. I read with fascination his musings in "The Emporer's New Mind" and I'd be curious to see how this book compares.
I think you're right. Espcially given the context in which the Star Wars likenesses were portrayed (M$ henchmen cast as Imperial Storm Troopers). If I were George, I be a bit peeved too that my characters were being associated with those guys. AJ
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ever heard of LOWpriority????????
Yes.
When you read a website, YOU HAVE SPARE CYCLES
I never claimed to not have any. I just said that the client is using more than just the spare ones. The reason is that the default priority is MEDIUM. That would be a higher priority than LOW. Ok, so just change the prio to LOW, you say. Mmmmmkay, but when it returns from screensaver mode, guess what. The prio is now MEDIUM again.
The other guy was right, somewhat - much of the problem is in the OS (NT4.0), not the client. However, when you change the priority of a task, it should by God stay there. Maybe this also is NT's fault, I don't know enuf about it to say.
I do know that on my Linux machine it regularly consumes over 90% of my processor and I can't even tell due to -nice 20.
Thanks for your helpful comments.
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hehe, agreed. I stand corrected.
I've been running it on my Linux box at home w/ -nice 19 and it uses 80-90% of the processor, yet I wouldn't even know it's running if I didn't check the CPU meter or top once in a while.
I also agree w/ Lamont that rc5 is becoming pointless. They've essentially proved that DES-64 sux and RC5-64 rox. What's the point in continuing? They should get the OGR client done asap and drop the crypto stuff.
I also found that it works ok on NT w/ priority set to low, but the default is medium which kills my P2-333. Also when it returns from screensaver mode, the priority is set back to medium if you've changed it to low.
g
You should be able to run multiple clients if you put them in different directories. When the client cranks up, it creates a bunch of *.txt files. These files must be kept segregated since they contain the data being analyzed.
g
...but there goes my keyrate. The odds of cracking rc5 are much better than my finding an extra-terrestrial signal, but this thing is way cool.
The 'spare cycles' bit is bogus tho. If you run it all the time expect a big performance hit.
g
Well, this is kind of getting off topic, but...
After Dark (the screen saver) had a Penrose tile option. It's a wonder he didn't sue them too! That would be like Einstein suing someone for using E=mc^2.
I don't have the book in front of me either and it's been a while since I read it. But iirc his assertion was that the brain solves problems in a quantum manner. All 'possible' solutions exist simutaneously in a state of superposition until the state vector collapses to a single solution. This effectively parallelizes the solution to the problem. One manefestation of this process is when solutions pop into your head out of the blue when you're thinking about something else entirely.
I'll agree that the evidence of all this was less than overwhelming, but he admitted that in the book. I think it was mostly presented as food for thought and to try to spur on some research in directions heretofore unexplored. He may have modified this argument somewhat in the second book, as I said, I understood little of that one.
In any case, along the way I learned a lot about chaos, number theory, relativity & quantum mechanics, all of which I find more interesting than AI anyway.
g
I really dug it and didn't see any of what I would consider hand waving. Yes, it was pretty longwinded and he used a very roundabout path to get where he was going, but I thought it was an interesting path. I perceived his argument as more along the lines of: deep down, the mind doesn't work like a digital computer, it works more like a quantum computer so we can't expect a digital computer to mimic the operation of an intelligent mind.
Now his follow-up book left me in the dust; I barely understood a word of it. That smacked of hand waving I suppose, but I attributed it to my quantum computer not having enough states.
Didn't know about the toilet paper suit - that's funny. What was it all about? (Not that it has anything to do with this thread)
g
Hmmm, I was thinking more along the lines of Roger Penrose. I read with fascination his musings in "The Emporer's New Mind" and I'd be curious to see how this book compares.
I think you're right. Espcially given the context in which the Star Wars likenesses were portrayed (M$ henchmen cast as Imperial Storm Troopers). If I were George, I be a bit peeved too that my characters were being associated with those guys.
AJ