I'm curious. If Bush had murdered as many Americans and in the same fashion as Saddam and his sons and regime murdered and tortured his, would you support the removal of Bush?
Try not to answer this with some conspiracy theory that Bush has done that.
USA supports Pakistan. Isn't that a truly evil dictatorship? didn't they give training to Talibans? then why supporting them and making them allies?
Are you suggesting that we should take out every evil dictator? Don't you think that there are many factors involved as to whether we support a dictator or not. Some is just symbolic, some is economic, some is unwarranted, I agree... but that doesn't mean I should have supported Saddam or his loyalists, or be against the coalition against him.
we shouldn't be blinded that Iraq invation was inspired for a complex mix of economical-geopolitical interests and not for the love of freedom or war againt terrorism
Whatever the reason (obviously we'll disagree there) we can still agree to be happy about his removal and therefore when many people (look at the posts) try to condemn Bush, give credence to Saddam, etc etc... I have to ask can't you just take a deep breath and be glad that he's gone? (you said you are happy about it - so fine, be happy - we all know there are many other things going on in the world and in Iraq - but that doesn't mean we can't stop to say Hooray for Iraq!)
I'm just saying stop and smell the flowers along the way. There is always time for debate.
Comments like your last one make me think that some people like yourself don't want to acknowledge the event that happened today.. like you want to just ignore it as if it hadn't happened and rush off to complain about something else. It gets old. I'm not saying we shouldn't discuss other issues - but come on man - stop and smell the roses along the way.
That's why we are trying to turn power over to them in the most reasonable time frame allowable.
I don't support any truly evil dictatorship. What's your point?
You just made my point. Obviously I wouldn't dance in the streets because he truly isn't an evil dictator. You knew that when you asked it. It would have been a good point if most people would have danced in the streets if Bush was removed from power, except for his supporters, but we all know that most people wouldn't. Saddam on the other hand caused a different reaction when he was removed. Actual dancing in the streets. Good point AC.
Of course not. But, you have to generalize to some extent when discussing things of a national matter. As you admit, you can't apply the feel to everyone in the country, no matter what. That is hopefully a given in a conversation such as this. Would I say that EVERY Iraqi is grateful? Of course not. But when I say "The Iraqis are grateful", I mean it in a broad sense. This is the type of language used when solving global issues such as this.
You can't please everybody all the time, nor should you try.
I have seen several incidences on television where families had just lost a loved one, but were still grateful for the US led war effort. To them, it's worth it. Freedom is worth it. This is the concept you need to grasp to understand why these people are literally dancing in the streets as we speak (write).
By not supporting the effort to remove the evil killer, you are in effect supporting the effort to keep him in power.
You are confusing friendly fire with collateral damage. I believe the question was in regards to friendly fire.
But, I do appreciate your last-ditch attempt to support Saddam in this trying time for him.
Freedom is always a relative thing.
What country shall we compare with?
Name me a non 3rd world country, and I will list at least 2 (like you) things that I would not consider freedoms.
My AC friend. There has been NO war in the history of the world that has had less "collateral damage" than this.
The Iraqis are grateful. If you can't see this then you are truly blind.
Benjamin Franklin:
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
It's called empathy. Put yourself in their shoes. Imagine your mom got raped in front of you, and then they cut off her breast and through it on the ground.
Imagine your brother looked longingly at one of Saddam's son's mistresses without knowing and was fed to the lions.
Imagine... oh never mind...
It's called empathy. That's what makes it relevant.
I appreciate your view. Even though I disagree with your logic, I can at least appreciate your view. There are many "naysayers" who just seem to beat down everything and anything Bush does - even if it's something they would applaud if "their guy" had done it.
I get so tired of the people who always see negative in everything Bush does without using any logic whatsoever. I sincerely believe Bush could solve world hunger, and those freaks would find something wrong with it.
Bottom line - I just ask the perpetual Bush "naysayers" to ask yourself when you criticize him - If you'd honestly do the same if XYZlib was doing it. If so, fine - go for it. But stop the mindless bashing.
Ok AC. Thanks for the tip. I suppose you'd go AC if you told that to the Iraqi people where millions were slaughtered by that thug.
Have you seen them celebrating in the streets? Irrelevant? Go back to AC dreamland.
There is still a lot that needs to be done.
But, that shouldn't take away from the tremendous victory of the Iraqis and the Americans here.
Some people are perpetually negative. This is a great moment for these people. Relish in it. Stop looking for something to whine about... please!
Congratulations Iraq! Congratulations US coalition!
Not to defend e-machines, but the reason for the USB hub is because machines don't have enough USB ports.
An obvious answer to an obvious question.
Your solution is to make the user go out and buy an accessory, as well as take up more volume at their desktop. Wouldn't it make more sense to build it in if it's pretty standard for people to need more ports?
I went from AT&T to Nextel on the first day of the portability option. Nextel said I was the first person to switch from with one of their new zones (forget what they called it) even though I was in one of the top market areas. Originally they said I couldn't do it.
I had to call back and insist for an explanation why I couldn't do it and the guy was very helpful. Took an extra 20 minutes, but no problems. Overall process was 3 days.
Overall, very glad I did it. The Nextel temporary number they gave me apparently previously belonged to a drug dealer based on the calls I received.
Bottom line -- a few kinks to get over, but with a good carrier (Nextel), you'll hopefully get ported over.
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I'm curious. If Bush had murdered as many Americans and in the same fashion as Saddam and his sons and regime murdered and tortured his, would you support the removal of Bush?
Try not to answer this with some conspiracy theory that Bush has done that.
USA supports Pakistan. Isn't that a truly evil dictatorship? didn't they give training to Talibans? then why supporting them and making them allies?
... but that doesn't mean I should have supported Saddam or his loyalists, or be against the coalition against him.
... I have to ask can't you just take a deep breath and be glad that he's gone? (you said you are happy about it - so fine, be happy - we all know there are many other things going on in the world and in Iraq - but that doesn't mean we can't stop to say Hooray for Iraq!)
.. like you want to just ignore it as if it hadn't happened and rush off to complain about something else. It gets old. I'm not saying we shouldn't discuss other issues - but come on man - stop and smell the roses along the way.
Are you suggesting that we should take out every evil dictator? Don't you think that there are many factors involved as to whether we support a dictator or not. Some is just symbolic, some is economic, some is unwarranted, I agree
we shouldn't be blinded that Iraq invation was inspired for a complex mix of economical-geopolitical interests and not for the love of freedom or war againt terrorism
Whatever the reason (obviously we'll disagree there) we can still agree to be happy about his removal and therefore when many people (look at the posts) try to condemn Bush, give credence to Saddam, etc etc
I'm just saying stop and smell the flowers along the way. There is always time for debate.
Comments like your last one make me think that some people like yourself don't want to acknowledge the event that happened today
http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/42706.htm
It's a US led coalition of (according to Wikipedia) 45 nations.
That's why we are trying to turn power over to them in the most reasonable time frame allowable.
I don't support any truly evil dictatorship. What's your point?
You just made my point. Obviously I wouldn't dance in the streets because he truly isn't an evil dictator. You knew that when you asked it. It would have been a good point if most people would have danced in the streets if Bush was removed from power, except for his supporters, but we all know that most people wouldn't. Saddam on the other hand caused a different reaction when he was removed. Actual dancing in the streets. Good point AC.
Of course not. But, you have to generalize to some extent when discussing things of a national matter. As you admit, you can't apply the feel to everyone in the country, no matter what. That is hopefully a given in a conversation such as this. Would I say that EVERY Iraqi is grateful? Of course not. But when I say "The Iraqis are grateful", I mean it in a broad sense. This is the type of language used when solving global issues such as this.
You can't please everybody all the time, nor should you try.
I have seen several incidences on television where families had just lost a loved one, but were still grateful for the US led war effort. To them, it's worth it. Freedom is worth it. This is the concept you need to grasp to understand why these people are literally dancing in the streets as we speak (write).
By not supporting the effort to remove the evil killer, you are in effect supporting the effort to keep him in power.
Are you thinking of "friendly fire" rather than "collateral damage"?
Um. Yes. I believe that was the parent question.
You are confusing friendly fire with collateral damage. I believe the question was in regards to friendly fire.
But, I do appreciate your last-ditch attempt to support Saddam in this trying time for him.
35 in 1991.
Less than 12 this war.
Source: CNN.com
Sorry, but I think your comment was completely unresearched in this respect.
Sorry but most people in the US are smarter than you.
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Good point! (insert foot in mouth)
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-09-0
Freedom is always a relative thing.
What country shall we compare with?
Name me a non 3rd world country, and I will list at least 2 (like you) things that I would not consider freedoms.
My AC friend. There has been NO war in the history of the world that has had less "collateral damage" than this.
The Iraqis are grateful. If you can't see this then you are truly blind.
Benjamin Franklin:
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
It's called empathy. Put yourself in their shoes. Imagine your mom got raped in front of you, and then they cut off her breast and through it on the ground. ... oh never mind ...
Imagine your brother looked longingly at one of Saddam's son's mistresses without knowing and was fed to the lions.
Imagine
It's called empathy. That's what makes it relevant.
I appreciate your view. Even though I disagree with your logic, I can at least appreciate your view. There are many "naysayers" who just seem to beat down everything and anything Bush does - even if it's something they would applaud if "their guy" had done it.
I get so tired of the people who always see negative in everything Bush does without using any logic whatsoever. I sincerely believe Bush could solve world hunger, and those freaks would find something wrong with it.
Bottom line - I just ask the perpetual Bush "naysayers" to ask yourself when you criticize him - If you'd honestly do the same if XYZlib was doing it. If so, fine - go for it. But stop the mindless bashing.
My 2 cents.
Like I said ... AC dreamland.
Yeah, it's our fault. The sanctions hurt Saddam and made him kill people and build dozens of palaces.
You got me AC dreamer. You got me.
Ok AC. Thanks for the tip. I suppose you'd go AC if you told that to the Iraqi people where millions were slaughtered by that thug.
Have you seen them celebrating in the streets? Irrelevant? Go back to AC dreamland.
To the people saying that they are anti-war, pro-Saddam arrest ... What? Did you think he was going to surrender?
ditto to: GOOD JOB GUYS!!!!
There is still a lot that needs to be done. ... please!
But, that shouldn't take away from the tremendous victory of the Iraqis and the Americans here.
Some people are perpetually negative. This is a great moment for these people. Relish in it. Stop looking for something to whine about
Congratulations Iraq! Congratulations US coalition!
Really? ...
CBS
And for you Canadians
CTV
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/031211/nyth120_1.html
... there it is ...
2004 Will Be the U.S.'S Best Year Economically in Last 20 Years, The Conference Board Reports in a Revised Forecast
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Not to defend e-machines, but the reason for the USB hub is because machines don't have enough USB ports.
An obvious answer to an obvious question.
Your solution is to make the user go out and buy an accessory, as well as take up more volume at their desktop. Wouldn't it make more sense to build it in if it's pretty standard for people to need more ports?
Allll of a sudden liberals are concerned about too much spending ...
I went from AT&T to Nextel on the first day of the portability option. Nextel said I was the first person to switch from with one of their new zones (forget what they called it) even though I was in one of the top market areas. Originally they said I couldn't do it.
I had to call back and insist for an explanation why I couldn't do it and the guy was very helpful. Took an extra 20 minutes, but no problems. Overall process was 3 days.
Overall, very glad I did it. The Nextel temporary number they gave me apparently previously belonged to a drug dealer based on the calls I received.
Bottom line -- a few kinks to get over, but with a good carrier (Nextel), you'll hopefully get ported over.