Ack. Rather than do an exact quote (to spare me from storing such garbage in my buffer), but Bill Gates as early as 1995 saw the the Internet? Hmm. What happend to the 1995 quote "The Internet will never amount to anything". Or something dogedly similar. He failed to mention they rewrote and rereleased that book after they realized the Internet boat was leaving without them.
And oh yeah, let us not forget that OSS had nothing to do with the Internet.
This is bad. the reason why is a whole lot of people will believe these lies.
Heh, here is a challenge. Tell everyone the truth, and let them decide on choice of software.
Oh yeah, I forgot, they asked marketing for what the current truth is, and they haven't finished it yet.
The fact is, computer users aren't retarded. When I go to a doctor, lawyer, engineer, plumber, whatever, they don't expect me to know what they do. But they know their fields. Computers are not their field. Do you think after you get a cavity filled and leave the dentists office the dentist says "What a retard, he couldn't fix his own problem, and is completely dental illiterate." No, of course not. But most tech support people I have met do just that. They equate intelligence with computer knowledge. While they can't perform surgery, or fix a simple pipe leak, somehow, because they know what a.dll is, this makes them smarter than everyone else. They aren't. The customers just haven't invested the time and money into knowing what the tech support people know. And many times, it is a waste of their time. Hire someone to do the work for them.
The customers aren't retarted, the tech support and their elitist attitudes, they are the real retards.
Whats even funnier is you don't get it..NET is, at this point, still all vapor. Lots of press releases with promises. And of course, Microsoft delivers on all its promises.
And those poor old Java programmers, in many markets making more money than coders in any other languages, as well as having more available jobs. Java isn't weak. Not by a long shot.
Microsoft is on it's way down. Even bastions of pro MS zealots like zdnet are turning into bastions of MS hate. I don't really care what OS/platform people use. But to believe that Microsoft isn't doing anything but heading into the toilet at this point is delusion. Lawsuits right and left. The DOJ case looming over it head. Microsofts biggest expense right now all the used toilet paper they have to buy to print up new stock certificates on to make sure they don't record the big losses they are sufering.
I use the Internet today. I have no intention of doing the following-
1. Waiting 5 years for a working(?) version of.NET to be implemented.
2. Paying a MS tax to access my own data, while being bled dry by all the additional software costs. (No better way to force people into the upgrade cycle than to possess the customers data.
3. Being very limited in where I can actually go today.
.NET has nothing to do with innovation. It has nothing to do with a great new idea for networking. It has to do with control and expansion. They are desperate. Then again,.NET may actually work well enough someday to where MS will actually allow it to be used on their machines.
Seems like everytime MS does something like this, and new MS owned version pops up.
May be a good idea, for them,at least. Make MS look good and other OSes bad. With all the heat they take for thier products.
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You get the idea. We've seen it a million times before
The best way to describe Jon Katz, from what I have read of him, is that he has no clue as to the real world.
Cyberculture? On machines which are owned by people, bits fly across lines owned by corporations. Here's a clue - you're not in cyberspace. You are in a chair in your living room, office, whatever.
A few weeks ago, there was an article on Suck.com about geeks just don't get it. At the top of the list is Jon Katz. I wish I had the URL handy, so he could read it.
The fact is while he is dreaming about an end to politics, those "have-been" politicians just keep taxing us, and taking our rights away. They keep closing their stranglehold on us, while Katz closes his eyes. and dreams about a happy place.
This stuff isn't going away, in fact, it's getting worse. More restrictive laws, more taxes.
The politicians draw their noose tighter in the real world, whilst geeks sit in front of their monitors, with no clue, thinking it is geeks who are making the rules. Sigh, one born every minute.
We need real world changes, not fantasies. In the meantime, let Katz goes where he belongs - in the cubilcle next to Fred Moody.
EFF, ACLU support, registering to vote is all good, but here is another suggestion which has worked for me.
Bear in mind, that the lawyer, etc., are in the "real world". Internet activism is kinda useless, in the sense you are fighting in two different arenas.
One suggestion, which is an extension of what I have used for the efforts of promoting Linux is what amounts to grassroots activism. Actually leave your computer and go out and talk to people. Spread the facts. How many people out there believe they own their copy of Windows, and not just a license to use it? The point is, many people who vote, or have influence, really have no idea what is going on. But, as geeks, we have an enormous benefit - that people listen and respect what we say when it comes to technology. These people have checkbooks as well, as well as a vote. User groups, such as LUGs, can organize to spread information, have people sign petions, raise funds, etc. As you do this, you gain influence.
An example of this is a place I worked about 3 years ago. I basically installed and got their whole computer system up and running. The owner was in such awe of what I did. (Not saying I am good, but relative to him, I appeared to be a genius.) He actually asked my to speak at one of his Businessmens clubs meetings. Which gives me the opportunity to speak to many people, who actually come to listen to me, and what I have to say. Presenting them with facts of how these laws hurt their businesses, this gives them reason to help support what I am for. Whether it be getting them to switch to Linux for their servers, or getting them to write a $500 (tax deductible) to the EFF, with the hopes that no law will be passed that might say, allow monitoring of their email. These types of opportunities present themselves often to those who seek them out.
On another note - don't think lawyers are technically unsavvy. As I have mentioned before, my brother is an IT lawyer. He spends half his time in school learning electronics, coding, an other computer related technologies. The reason is obvious, the more he knows, the more he can win, and the higher his price tag becomes.
The reason I believe so firmly in this type of activism is it works. And well, and has for a long time, on many issues. I can rant and rave and post my ass off, but these don't change anything. Getting the truth out to those people who repect me, well, that helps a lot.
Movies will not be free, as will not many other things. The whole concept of "you can't stop us" is ridiculous. No, it can't be stopped totally. But let's just give a lot of lawyers with a lot of money time. The DCMA is a good start. In a few years, no, MP3 traffic will not be stopped. But everyone will suffer. Laws will just be passed that infringe upon our rights. Lawyers, like a lot of people consider the IT field to be hot. And because of a bunch of greedy bastards who don't want to pay for works from other, our rights will slowly be strangled. On another note, let's see how that attitude holds up when the FBI comes to your house with a warrant, and you spend a couple of years in the crossbar hotel, follwed by a leisurely life where MCDonalds won't even hire you because of your record. They won't get everyone, but they will get some. Any idealistic volunteers? It will happen. My brother, an IT lawyer just told me a few days ago about new and wonderful ways prosecuters will start using RICO to imprison and impoverish offenders. The attitude of "you can't stop us" will cause many people a painful lesson in the error of their logic.
Not to mention something else. Movies cost a tremendous amount of mony to make, as does a lot of music and some software. I will stick to movies here. They cost a lot to make. Cast, crew, props, all cost money. Producers invest because they think that, like all other investments, that this will make them even more than they spent. Do you think they will just say "Hmm, let's spend 100 million bucks so that I can give my movie to people for free. I am sure they will respond by feeding my family for me, maybe even deliver it to the door of my cardboard box.
On another note - the RIAA. Musicians have to sign those contracts too. I like this reasoning - A band starves for years, trying to enter the big time. Their dream is that one day, a record company will sign them. Most don't make it. Some do. They finally get their dream, and get a contract. The RIAA makes lots of money, but so do the musicians. Riding around in limos, tearing up hotels, indulging in everything their little hearts desire. And with plenty of cash left over. This of course is unacceptable, so we must steal their music to help fight the RIAA for giving them exactly what they worked for and wanted. No one made the musician sign that contract. No one made them cash their checks either, or the residual checks they will recive for life. How noble.
That letter does seem a bit defensive. I also detect a sense of desperation in there as well. I use Gnome, but I think KDE is no second ran. However, the Gnome Foundation is a powerful statement from big business who will, unfortunately, shape a lot of what will happen with Linux in general. It isn't uncommon for even the best projects to fall by the side of road. KDE is no exception.
I use Gnome by choice, just as I use Linux by choice. But this development can do a lot to seriously affect our choices. I still use Windows for games. That is what most game companies develop for. I just hope that this Foundation doesn't wind up doing the same thing in favor of KDE.
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Ack. Rather than do an exact quote (to spare me from storing such garbage in my buffer), but Bill Gates as early as 1995 saw the the Internet? Hmm. What happend to the 1995 quote "The Internet will never amount to anything". Or something dogedly similar. He failed to mention they rewrote and rereleased that book after they realized the Internet boat was leaving without them.
And oh yeah, let us not forget that OSS had nothing to do with the Internet.
This is bad. the reason why is a whole lot of people will believe these lies.
Heh, here is a challenge. Tell everyone the truth, and let them decide on choice of software.
Oh yeah, I forgot, they asked marketing for what the current truth is, and they haven't finished it yet.
No, this is why tech support people suck -
.dll is, this makes them smarter than everyone else. They aren't. The customers just haven't invested the time and money into knowing what the tech support people know. And many times, it is a waste of their time. Hire someone to do the work for them.
The fact is, computer users aren't retarded. When I go to a doctor, lawyer, engineer, plumber, whatever, they don't expect me to know what they do. But they know their fields. Computers are not their field. Do you think after you get a cavity filled and leave the dentists office the dentist says "What a retard, he couldn't fix his own problem, and is completely dental illiterate." No, of course not. But most tech support people I have met do just that. They equate intelligence with computer knowledge. While they can't perform surgery, or fix a simple pipe leak, somehow, because they know what a
The customers aren't retarted, the tech support and their elitist attitudes, they are the real retards.
Whats even funnier is you don't get it. .NET is, at this point, still all vapor. Lots of press releases with promises. And of course, Microsoft delivers on all its promises.
.NET to be implemented.
.NET may actually work well enough someday to where MS will actually allow it to be used on their machines.
And those poor old Java programmers, in many markets making more money than coders in any other languages, as well as having more available jobs. Java isn't weak. Not by a long shot.
Microsoft is on it's way down. Even bastions of pro MS zealots like zdnet are turning into bastions of MS hate. I don't really care what OS/platform people use. But to believe that Microsoft isn't doing anything but heading into the toilet at this point is delusion. Lawsuits right and left. The DOJ case looming over it head. Microsofts biggest expense right now all the used toilet paper they have to buy to print up new stock certificates on to make sure they don't record the big losses they are sufering.
I use the Internet today. I have no intention of doing the following-
1. Waiting 5 years for a working(?) version of
2. Paying a MS tax to access my own data, while being bled dry by all the additional software costs. (No better way to force people into the upgrade cycle than to possess the customers data.
3. Being very limited in where I can actually go today.
.NET has nothing to do with innovation. It has nothing to do with a great new idea for networking. It has to do with control and expansion. They are desperate. Then again,
Seems like everytime MS does something like this, and new MS owned version pops up.
,at least. Make MS look good and other OSes bad. With all the heat they take for thier products.
May be a good idea, for them
Welcome to Microsofts bug.net. Please only use IE, asNetscape has an unresolved issue which will cause your computer to catch fire when you click refresh-
This months new reported bugs -
MS Windows (All flavors) - 0!
Linux (All flavors) - 11,843
*BSD - 1,253
MacOS - 1
Commercial Unix (except IBM) - 27
IBM (All flavors) - 12,335,672
News
New Mindcraft show new bug.net as most relaible for bug reports.
You get the idea. We've seen it a million times before
The best way to describe Jon Katz, from what I have read of him, is that he has no clue as to the real world.
Cyberculture? On machines which are owned by people, bits fly across lines owned by corporations. Here's a clue - you're not in cyberspace. You are in a chair in your living room, office, whatever.
A few weeks ago, there was an article on Suck.com about geeks just don't get it. At the top of the list is Jon Katz. I wish I had the URL handy, so he could read it.
The fact is while he is dreaming about an end to politics, those "have-been" politicians just keep taxing us, and taking our rights away. They keep closing their stranglehold on us, while Katz closes his eyes. and dreams about a happy place.
This stuff isn't going away, in fact, it's getting worse. More restrictive laws, more taxes.
The politicians draw their noose tighter in the real world, whilst geeks sit in front of their monitors, with no clue, thinking it is geeks who are making the rules. Sigh, one born every minute.
We need real world changes, not fantasies. In the meantime, let Katz goes where he belongs - in the cubilcle next to Fred Moody.
Well, it does have a nice thing about it. That post a bug report icon right on the desktop. That is the one thing they should keep for the release :P
EFF, ACLU support, registering to vote is all good, but here is another suggestion which has worked for me.
Bear in mind, that the lawyer, etc., are in the "real world". Internet activism is kinda useless, in the sense you are fighting in two different arenas.
One suggestion, which is an extension of what I have used for the efforts of promoting Linux is what amounts to grassroots activism. Actually leave your computer and go out and talk to people. Spread the facts. How many people out there believe they own their copy of Windows, and not just a license to use it? The point is, many people who vote, or have influence, really have no idea what is going on. But, as geeks, we have an enormous benefit - that people listen and respect what we say when it comes to technology. These people have checkbooks as well, as well as a vote. User groups, such as LUGs, can organize to spread information, have people sign petions, raise funds, etc. As you do this, you gain influence.
An example of this is a place I worked about 3 years ago. I basically installed and got their whole computer system up and running. The owner was in such awe of what I did. (Not saying I am good, but relative to him, I appeared to be a genius.) He actually asked my to speak at one of his Businessmens clubs meetings. Which gives me the opportunity to speak to many people, who actually come to listen to me, and what I have to say. Presenting them with facts of how these laws hurt their businesses, this gives them reason to help support what I am for. Whether it be getting them to switch to Linux for their servers, or getting them to write a $500 (tax deductible) to the EFF, with the hopes that no law will be passed that might say, allow monitoring of their email. These types of opportunities present themselves often to those who seek them out.
On another note - don't think lawyers are technically unsavvy. As I have mentioned before, my brother is an IT lawyer. He spends half his time in school learning electronics, coding, an other computer related technologies. The reason is obvious, the more he knows, the more he can win, and the higher his price tag becomes.
The reason I believe so firmly in this type of activism is it works. And well, and has for a long time, on many issues. I can rant and rave and post my ass off, but these don't change anything. Getting the truth out to those people who repect me, well, that helps a lot.
Egad, the smell of glue is thick in here.
Movies will not be free, as will not many other things. The whole concept of "you can't stop us" is ridiculous. No, it can't be stopped totally. But let's just give a lot of lawyers with a lot of money time. The DCMA is a good start. In a few years, no, MP3 traffic will not be stopped. But everyone will suffer. Laws will just be passed that infringe upon our rights. Lawyers, like a lot of people consider the IT field to be hot. And because of a bunch of greedy bastards who don't want to pay for works from other, our rights will slowly be strangled. On another note, let's see how that attitude holds up when the FBI comes to your house with a warrant, and you spend a couple of years in the crossbar hotel, follwed by a leisurely life where MCDonalds won't even hire you because of your record. They won't get everyone, but they will get some. Any idealistic volunteers? It will happen. My brother, an IT lawyer just told me a few days ago about new and wonderful ways prosecuters will start using RICO to imprison and impoverish offenders. The attitude of "you can't stop us" will cause many people a painful lesson in the error of their logic.
Not to mention something else. Movies cost a tremendous amount of mony to make, as does a lot of music and some software. I will stick to movies here. They cost a lot to make. Cast, crew, props, all cost money. Producers invest because they think that, like all other investments, that this will make them even more than they spent. Do you think they will just say "Hmm, let's spend 100 million bucks so that I can give my movie to people for free. I am sure they will respond by feeding my family for me, maybe even deliver it to the door of my cardboard box.
On another note - the RIAA. Musicians have to sign those contracts too. I like this reasoning - A band starves for years, trying to enter the big time. Their dream is that one day, a record company will sign them. Most don't make it. Some do. They finally get their dream, and get a contract. The RIAA makes lots of money, but so do the musicians. Riding around in limos, tearing up hotels, indulging in everything their little hearts desire. And with plenty of cash left over. This of course is unacceptable, so we must steal their music to help fight the RIAA for giving them exactly what they worked for and wanted. No one made the musician sign that contract. No one made them cash their checks either, or the residual checks they will recive for life. How noble.
That letter does seem a bit defensive. I also detect a sense of desperation in there as well. I use Gnome, but I think KDE is no second ran. However, the Gnome Foundation is a powerful statement from big business who will, unfortunately, shape a lot of what will happen with Linux in general. It isn't uncommon for even the best projects to fall by the side of road. KDE is no exception.
I use Gnome by choice, just as I use Linux by choice. But this development can do a lot to seriously affect our choices. I still use Windows for games. That is what most game companies develop for. I just hope that this Foundation doesn't wind up doing the same thing in favor of KDE.