There are conceptual cross-overs which are required. Managers need to: a] understand *why* they're employees are doing what they do b] know enough to know when the employees are trying to screw them for what they can get and c] know enough to know which people are worth listening to.
An example: a company which shall remain nameless was started in the UK as a network carrier, ISP and so on. A man had an idea and found some people to help him fund it, and some other people to work like hell to put it together. I was employee number 23, which by some standards is quite late. Some very talented and dedicated people built the company, made it work, and put a great deal of effort into the idea.
To get more money, some venture capitalists were approached, who a] put in lots of money, but micromanaged (badly) until a (6-month predicted) network meltdown taught them to listen to a couple of people, and b] decided to make the company multi-national. Hey, good idea. So they hired a man to run the German branch of this company. They gave him the senior managing directorial position in a telco/ISP, and a position on the board with more weight strategically than his UK counterpart (who had a working, revenue-earning company) because they liked him, he'd made them alot of money with a previous venture.
A *Fax*Spam* venture. And for this he got a role in developing a new idea in the German Telco market; and because of this didn't have a clue, and because of that the company has all sorts of problems.
Go figure.
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Basically make sure that IBM cannot conduct international trade with India on order of the federal government. India can become a rouge nation and all problems are solved.
*boggle*. Am I actually reading this in what looked at first glance like a forum for the intelligent?
~cHris
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It appears that the poster alread HAS connectivity. Take a pill, dude.
Heh. Yeah, I missed that dig.. I got very annoyed by the apparent arrogance of the posters opinions. As sips' reply to me made clear, he didn't actually think the way it looked like he did.
And as someone else has succinctly said above, IBM et al are *not* playing savior to third world: they're in it strictly for the money.
`ttfn,
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Disclaimer: I think your original article made it sound as if you held views to a fervour which you apparently don't. I apologise for ranting. However:
We shouldn't be bailing out another country and leave our own with slaves.
You aren't. Trust me, IBM are making money. Maybe not immediate money, but the development of infrastructure is definitely in their interest.
Oh yes, and half their programmers live in india, too.
I have one land line and a 2400 baud modem. And I run linux.
Ah. Snippage here btw. All of a sudden a whole different rant is developing here. You're complaning, not that some inherent right to having internet connectivity is being infringed, but that you have chosen to use a collection of software which the ISP you have chosen to use is not friendly with. I *can't* believe that you don't have a choice of ISP. I *can't* believe that *none* of the available options will let you use standard PPP dialup. Even the European ISP's let you do that.
Your initial post very much sounded as if you believed that network connectivity was a 'self-evident' right for all americans and that so long as you didn't have connectivity, no networks should ever be built outside the united states. I realize now that you do not believe this. My apologies for ranting.
However, you do still seem to believe that a bunch of Indian peseants aren't the focus of society or industry for Americans to worry about. Excuse me? In what way does nationality impact on internet access? And in what way is IBM (to quote the original company) or in fact any other company like Cisco, HP, whatever, an 'American' industry? They may have started there, but they certainly aren't contained there. (Some might wish they were... not I, I must add.)
you *cannot* justify to me that it isn't a right. Probably true, but all this statement means is that you have a closed mind on the topic. Assuming you're talking about internet access here: of course it's not a freaking right. Any more than university education is a right. University education is expensive, demanding, takes time to go through, and gives substantial rewards if used wisely, but not if not. It's a very good parallel for access to the "information age", to use a cliche. It is a requirement for alot of life's benefits. *AND?* You work for it, you get the breaks, you qualify for it. That's the same with the internet: I have connectivity because I've worked my ass off to learn how to use it and to get a job which allows me to afford it.
It's just simply baffling why people ignore linux with regard to the use of free ISPs.
Using a free ISP is a choice, not a right, nor is it something forced on anyone. You choose to use a free ISP, you choose to use windows, is basically what you're saying. Where's the problem? Choose to pay for your internet access, get a better service. That's economics in action in everyday life. You pays your money, you makes your choice. Free internet access *is*not* a right.
you can bypass the ads on windows as well with a little bit of clever programming knowledge. Which in the case of a market-signifcant percentage of the population you can guarantee the user does not posess if they use windows. In the OS community, the chances of your user being a programmer are significantly higher. But beyond that, the point about linux is that the user is in control. The point about free ISP's is that the ISP is control. Do the math.
~cHris
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What irritates me is that a company is funding the development of network infrastructure and connectivity when people who live in the USA are still without net access. It's kind of like dealing with African refuges when we have homeless, poor, and disadvantaged right here at home.
Uhhhhhhm I'm sorry: precisely *what* makes you believe that you, as a resident of the USA, in some manner have a 'right' to connectivity, such that a company devoting resources to connectivity outside the US is an infringement on you?
Go out and buy a freakin' phone line and a modem. If you have a decent job, get DSL or a leased line. Don't complain in a public forum because other countries in the world are getting basic 8-year-old comms technology developed?
There is *NO* way anyone with a rational mind can argue that an american has any right to connectivity. You have what you pay for / invest time, energy and smarts in learning to use. That's life.
The TransAtlantic cable, which was used to carry telephone conversations across the pond, was never taken off line during world war II. In fact, a german sub attempted to cut it on numerous occasions, and failed.
Hmmmm.. what the might of the Wehrmacht couldn't achieve, Cable and Wireless have done 3 times in 10 years...
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but he is SOOO mean to his characters!
... You say that like it's a bad thing...
~cHris--
Chris Naden
"Sometimes, home is just where you pour your coffee"
Don't like RedHat? Buy SuSE or Turbo or Corel or Stampede or Debian or one of several others.
Now, stop me if I'm wrong, but isn't this kind of missing the whole point? Why buy a distro at all...
~confused, UK *8-)--
Chris Naden
"Sometimes, home is just where you pour your coffee"
However, comma:
There are conceptual cross-overs which are required. Managers need to: a] understand *why* they're employees are doing what they do b] know enough to know when the employees are trying to screw them for what they can get and c] know enough to know which people are worth listening to.
An example: a company which shall remain nameless was started in the UK as a network carrier, ISP and so on. A man had an idea and found some people to help him fund it, and some other people to work like hell to put it together. I was employee number 23, which by some standards is quite late. Some very talented and dedicated people built the company, made it work, and put a great deal of effort into the idea.
To get more money, some venture capitalists were approached, who a] put in lots of money, but micromanaged (badly) until a (6-month predicted) network meltdown taught them to listen to a couple of people, and b] decided to make the company multi-national. Hey, good idea. So they hired a man to run the German branch of this company. They gave him the senior managing directorial position in a telco/ISP, and a position on the board with more weight strategically than his UK counterpart (who had a working, revenue-earning company) because they liked him, he'd made them alot of money with a previous venture.
A *Fax*Spam* venture. And for this he got a role in developing a new idea in the German Telco market; and because of this didn't have a clue, and because of that the company has all sorts of problems.
Go figure.~cHris
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Chris Naden
"Sometimes, home is just where you pour your coffee"
*boggle*. Am I actually reading this in what looked at first glance like a forum for the intelligent?
~cHris
And as someone else has succinctly said above, IBM et al are *not* playing savior to third world: they're in it strictly for the money.
`ttfn,
~cHris
Oh yes, and half their programmers live in india, too.
I have one land line and a 2400 baud modem. And I run linux.
Ah. Snippage here btw. All of a sudden a whole different rant is developing here. You're complaning, not that some inherent right to having internet connectivity is being infringed, but that you have chosen to use a collection of software which the ISP you have chosen to use is not friendly with. I *can't* believe that you don't have a choice of ISP. I *can't* believe that *none* of the available options will let you use standard PPP dialup. Even the European ISP's let you do that.
Your initial post very much sounded as if you believed that network connectivity was a 'self-evident' right for all americans and that so long as you didn't have connectivity, no networks should ever be built outside the united states. I realize now that you do not believe this. My apologies for ranting.
However, you do still seem to believe that a bunch of Indian peseants aren't the focus of society or industry for Americans to worry about. Excuse me? In what way does nationality impact on internet access? And in what way is IBM (to quote the original company) or in fact any other company like Cisco, HP, whatever, an 'American' industry? They may have started there, but they certainly aren't contained there. (Some might wish they were... not I, I must add.)
you *cannot* justify to me that it isn't a right. Probably true, but all this statement means is that you have a closed mind on the topic. Assuming you're talking about internet access here: of course it's not a freaking right. Any more than university education is a right. University education is expensive, demanding, takes time to go through, and gives substantial rewards if used wisely, but not if not. It's a very good parallel for access to the "information age", to use a cliche. It is a requirement for alot of life's benefits. *AND?* You work for it, you get the breaks, you qualify for it. That's the same with the internet: I have connectivity because I've worked my ass off to learn how to use it and to get a job which allows me to afford it.
It's just simply baffling why people ignore linux with regard to the use of free ISPs. Using a free ISP is a choice, not a right, nor is it something forced on anyone. You choose to use a free ISP, you choose to use windows, is basically what you're saying. Where's the problem? Choose to pay for your internet access, get a better service. That's economics in action in everyday life. You pays your money, you makes your choice. Free internet access *is*not* a right.
you can bypass the ads on windows as well with a little bit of clever programming knowledge. Which in the case of a market-signifcant percentage of the population you can guarantee the user does not posess if they use windows. In the OS community, the chances of your user being a programmer are significantly higher. But beyond that, the point about linux is that the user is in control. The point about free ISP's is that the ISP is control. Do the math.
~cHris
What irritates me is that a company is funding the development of network infrastructure and connectivity when people who live in the USA are still without net access. It's kind of like dealing with African refuges when we have homeless, poor, and disadvantaged right here at home.
Uhhhhhhm I'm sorry: precisely *what* makes you believe that you, as a resident of the USA, in some manner have a 'right' to connectivity, such that a company devoting resources to connectivity outside the US is an infringement on you?
Go out and buy a freakin' phone line and a modem. If you have a decent job, get DSL or a leased line. Don't complain in a public forum because other countries in the world are getting basic 8-year-old comms technology developed?
There is *NO* way anyone with a rational mind can argue that an american has any right to connectivity. You have what you pay for / invest time, energy and smarts in learning to use. That's life.
~cHris
The TransAtlantic cable, which was used to carry telephone conversations across the pond, was never taken off line during world war II. In fact, a german sub attempted to cut it on numerous occasions, and failed.
Hmmmm.. what the might of the Wehrmacht couldn't achieve, Cable and Wireless have done 3 times in 10 years...
By accident...