The supremes have tossed this back into the hands of Bill's lapdogs on the 9th circuit court. We know those guys well by now - If they aren't on Bill's payroll, it's darn hard to tell. Why did we even bother to hope for anything different?
So the legal system has dropped the ball. Bill's favorite kangaroo court will come up with a bunch of bogus opinions that have little to do with the facts or logic of the case and don't have to make sense, they just have to fill paper. Then back to the Supremes who will rubber stamp it all without even needing to explain why. We can expect Bill to get off with a wrist pat, and straight back to the old cynical lawbreaking, this time with a mandate from the highest court. Huh. The guy who told enough lies in federal court to earn any less-well-heeled person a good long time in the slammer.
So nothing has changed. As it was before, it's up to *us* to bring Bill down. His pals in the high courts obviously aren't going to. Let's not forget that we are winning the fight against Bill and Co. We're going to keep winning it. Damm, it feels good. Hey, there's one bright spot, this way we know for sure we did it, without help from the gov. Let's get personal now. Let's code Bill and his gang of thugs right into oblivion.
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They had scans of Dreamcast game covers, manuals, CD's, and more on the site. THAT IS COPYRIGHT INFORMATION IN WHICH YOU NEED
PERMISSION TO USE. If Sega does not want you to use them, then I can ask you to cease and desist. The boot CD is also their property, because it
was done using Sega proprietary information, not reverse engineering (despite what Utopia says).
My boldface. Just a little slip there, using the word 'I' instead of 'they'. Shouting is another clue, where have I seen that before? Hmmm. Astroturfers are scum of the earth. --
Unfortionatly, it's not the usage of their hardware that's the issue. It's the posting of the specs of the protocol used by the hardware for software use. This
is *NOT* a 'clean room' implementation, either. The actual hardware was used to do it.
So what? On the planet I live on, you can't copyright or patent an interface, and reverse-engineering for the purpose of interoperating is legal. If somebody is trying to say otherwise, we don't play little clean-room games, we call Bullshit! good and loud. And go ahead doing what is right, and what is our right. --
Explorer has crashed on me several times, and depending on hardware configurations, Win2k Professional has frozen up on me as well with no
additional software installed.
Just because you have not had any problems does not mean that other people that are having problems are doing something wrong, believe me. I have
gotten into this argument many times, and I have taken your position in the past, but as I have learned, it is just plain wrong.
It's an old story - I've been hearing it for years - "Windows is too, stable! It never crashes for me, you must be doing something wrong or installing crappy software'. I used to think people saying that were just plain evil, because I'd had plenty of experience to the contrary. But once I happened to be visiting, and I saw Windows crash right there, and get rebooted. I said, 'uh, didn't you just reboot Windows?' And he said, oh yeah, but believe me, but that was an exception, normally it never crashes.
Now I realize that these people aren't really evil, they're just lying to themselves. Human nature? --
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But now the flamewars will be about straight-up technical merit, or perhaps the relative merits of C++ vs good old C for development and deployment.
Such flamewars mainly have good effects. If you don't believe me, you haven't read the linux-kernel list enough. Most good things that happen in the kernel seem to require a flamewar somewhere along the line. Flamewars force participants to do their homework, and to engage in a continuous cycle of technical oneupsmanship. Flamewars force participants to produce results.
Regardless of the prospects for ever-more-entertaining-and-productive flamewars, the door is now open for real interoperability between Gnome and KDE. --
Do those who work with computers all day find they play these games all night or is it mostly people who are in non-computer
related jobs that spend hours gaming?
I think you're driving at a truth there - most computer professionals don't really have that much time for gaming. On the other hand, we do tend to have plenty of money for playtime, so picking up a game box just for a couple of hours of amusement, cutscenes and maybe a little play-through on "don't hurt me" difficulty is something you can do strictly on impulse. And some of us have kids.
But the bottom line is - it doesn't really matter whether this is a huge area for Linux or a tiny one. PC Gaming is Microsoft's last stand. If we can do something to advance the cause there, we will, and that includes buying Linux editions of games, or throwing in the odd hack just to keep things moving.
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You'd think Loki, of all companies, would understand the need to provide direct links for large download files, instead trying to stuff the whole thing down the throat of my browser with a cgi script. It's no fun to have the download quit on the 160th of 170 megs, and be unable to resume. Please understand this: I do not want you to get fancy when I'm trying to download a file. Just give me a direct URL to the file, please, and I'll download it with the transfer program of my choice. --
I'm kind of curious why you didn't mention sponsors - this is not the same as contributors. A sponsor is generally an interested party that would benefit from your work. This would include any company that would benefit from more and better network software on Linux. Keep this in mind: the bigger the company, the more the benefit in absolute terms. So hit up the big guys: IBM, Cicso, HP, Intel. How much is it going to cost you to send around a nicely worded letter to a few key people in each? Pick up a champion in the company and you'll find your Patron.
Speaking of patrons, remember there are a bunch of new penquin-millionaires. Don't be shy - hit up Larry and Bob. They can afford it, and they'll probably get even more back from your effort than they toss into the pot.
And don't forget the organizations like Collabra that are making it their business to put together sponsors with projects. --
$1 Million won't even begin to pay the legal bill. OTOH, this case isn't finished yet. I expect MS will have to pony up quite a bit more before it's over --
I had something to say about this a couple of days ago. The new industry-sponsored Open Source Development Lab may be your answer. Why not try to get your stuff on the agenda there? As I understand it, this is an exact fit with the Lab's mandate.
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No copyright gives you smaller average size of recording company, home recording enthusiasts, people who don't mind looking after the business side
for themselves, probably more acoustic music, and people who (for the large part erroneously) believe that they have something important to say to the
world.
Err - you mean, former music execs playing banjo on the street? --
Good enough for me. As far as I'm concerned, Sony's memory stick doesn't exist any more and they might as well stick it up their... Ah, just forget all the proprietary storage format BS ok? I just have no use for it. --
If Microsoft can get it for 'some configuration' of NT, we should be able to get it for Linux. The only sticking point is the testing, documentation, time and money required. Maybe this lab can help.
Negative results are ok. Give us some negative results stated in nice clear terms and we'll fix them.
Maybe we can go Microsoft one better and get some kind of security clearance for a machine that's actually connected to a network.:-) --
But an economist who has surveyed the personal computer software market
contends that the 70,000 figure is grossly overstated. There are probably
fewer than 10,000 Windows programs in use today and most users probably
have no more than a handful on their computers, according to the economist,
Richard B. McKenzie, a conservative scholar at the University of California at
Irvine.
There are 100,000's or millions of enterprises out there that have written their own Windows applications. There is no way in hell you can justifiably limit this kind of survey to shrinkwrapped applications when you're trying to judge what the barriers to entry really are.
This looks like just another piece of Microsoft-sponsored astroturfing to me. --
But an economist who has surveyed the personal computer software market
contends that the 70,000 figure is grossly overstated. There are probably
fewer than 10,000 Windows programs in use today and most users probably
have no more than a handful on their computers, according to the economist,
Richard B. McKenzie, a conservative scholar at the University of California at
Irvine.
There are 100,000's or millions of enterprises out there that have written their own Windows applications. There is no way in hell you can justifiably limit this kind of survey to shrinkwrapped applications when you're trying to judge what the barriers to entry really are.
The 70,000 figure is conservative if anything.
This looks like just another piece of Microsoft-sponsored astroturfing to me. --
I installed the Galeon rpm after I installed the Mozilla RPM from the Eazel site. Imported my Netscape bookmarks and it worked immediately! I'm sure everbody can do that!!
I got the latest rpm from rpmfind. I initially had trouble getting it to work with SUSE, either via rpm or source compilation (library soup) but the latest rpm installed and ran without a hiccup.
I'm responding with Galeon now. If you can see this post, you know it works.:-) --
As Escient has been changed the terms of licence for accessing CDDB, some programmers complained
that the new licence includes certain terms that threatens them in a way they cannot accept: If you want to
access CDDB, you are not allowed to access any other CDDB-like database (this one, for example) and
- while accessing the database - the programmer has to ensure, that a CDDB-logo is displayed (Funny
sidenote: One programmer told me, that his cd-player will be banned if he is refusing to display the
CDDB-logo. His software is a console-based program (it does not produce any graphical output) for blind
people...).
Always being able to choose is one of the advantages if the internet. If Escient forbids the use of other
sources now, you can easily think of things coming next...
Furthermore, many people submitted the information without charging anybody and they thought their help
would remain free, because the initital licence was GPL (see: www.gnu.org for more information on GPL).
Everything submitted to this site will be GPLed
Then if Apple hardware is truly superior, people will buy it to run Linux. Loyal Mac users would be especially likely to do this. Likewise, as long as Apple software has some kind of bottom-line advantage it's going to be used by a certain number of people. These two things taken together mean to me that Apple is likely to hang on to its market share.
Perhaps if Window's market share starts to shrink dramatically Apple will actually see its share grow, though obviously Linux will be leading the way. It's tough to compete with free. --
Why not just start a mass backup of the CDDB into FreeDB and pick up where it left us off?
Right on. This looks like an absolutely clear example of good versus evil. Though there are far greater injustices out there that need to be corrected, this is a good place to start. Lets test our power. --
1) Transit to satellite: 120ms
2) Unknown delay: x
3) Transit to groundstation: 120ms
4) Some typical ping time on wired Internet (roundtrip from groundstation to ping site to groundstation): y
5) Transit to satellite: 120ms
6) Unknown delay: x
7) Transit to home: 120ms
Add it all up and we have 480ms + 2x + y. Seems to me that could easily be 900ms.
Yes: a total of 480 ms is explainable by the distance and another 40% or so is unnecessary cruft. But granted, 540 ms is still an anacceptable ping time for a twitch game. The bottom line is that a geosync satllite link is useless for playing Quake, and this is enforced by the laws of physics.
A low-earth-orbit satellite network could do much better, in theory.
--
A couple of weeks or so ago I got the formal invitation in my email to get in to the program early as a beta tester. I turned it down for several
reasons.
Guess you beta-tested their contract for them and found buts in it, huh?
What the previous poster didn't mention was this was because you were buying a whole new friggin computer...you can't use any old machine you got laying around, you MUST by a new one from them, and use their OS (Windows) and...
Sounds like another case of tieing, much like other practices for which Microsoft has already been tried and found guilty, though the supremes haven't had their say yet. Hang in there, Microsoft gets the book thrown at them - and they probably will - you'll have the last laugh. In the meantime take your business elsewhere... ah, you already did that, didn't you?
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You don't have to be much of a wiz to do the math. *** pulls out kcalc ***
Google turns up 35785 km as height to geosync orbit (on the first hit as usual - loves Google). Dividing by C=300000 km/sec gives about.12 secs/trip, and the round trip is.24 secs. Whether the satellite is on the horizon or straight above doesn't make much difference in this case because the geometry of the situation roughly cancels the effect.
So your 900 ms ping is not explained by the distance.
--
At parties these days you don't exchange phone numbers any more, you exchange ICQ numbers and Emails. This is fun, but I want to be able to exchange public encryption keys too. How do I do that? The key is waaaay too long to write on the back of a napkin. So the easiest way I've thought of so far is to print it on a card as a barcode, and later scan it in. With a cuecat, I guess. Anybody with me on this? --
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The supremes have tossed this back into the hands of Bill's lapdogs on the 9th circuit court. We know those guys well by now - If they aren't on Bill's payroll, it's darn hard to tell. Why did we even bother to hope for anything different?
So the legal system has dropped the ball. Bill's favorite kangaroo court will come up with a bunch of bogus opinions that have little to do with the facts or logic of the case and don't have to make sense, they just have to fill paper. Then back to the Supremes who will rubber stamp it all without even needing to explain why. We can expect Bill to get off with a wrist pat, and straight back to the old cynical lawbreaking, this time with a mandate from the highest court. Huh. The guy who told enough lies in federal court to earn any less-well-heeled person a good long time in the slammer.
So nothing has changed. As it was before, it's up to *us* to bring Bill down. His pals in the high courts obviously aren't going to. Let's not forget that we are winning the fight against Bill and Co. We're going to keep winning it. Damm, it feels good. Hey, there's one bright spot, this way we know for sure we did it, without help from the gov. Let's get personal now. Let's code Bill and his gang of thugs right into oblivion.
--
They had scans of Dreamcast game covers, manuals, CD's, and more on the site. THAT IS COPYRIGHT INFORMATION IN WHICH YOU NEED PERMISSION TO USE. If Sega does not want you to use them, then I can ask you to cease and desist. The boot CD is also their property, because it was done using Sega proprietary information, not reverse engineering (despite what Utopia says).
My boldface. Just a little slip there, using the word 'I' instead of 'they'. Shouting is another clue, where have I seen that before? Hmmm. Astroturfers are scum of the earth.
--
Unfortionatly, it's not the usage of their hardware that's the issue. It's the posting of the specs of the protocol used by the hardware for software use. This is *NOT* a 'clean room' implementation, either. The actual hardware was used to do it.
So what? On the planet I live on, you can't copyright or patent an interface, and reverse-engineering for the purpose of interoperating is legal. If somebody is trying to say otherwise, we don't play little clean-room games, we call Bullshit! good and loud. And go ahead doing what is right, and what is our right.
--
Explorer has crashed on me several times, and depending on hardware configurations, Win2k Professional has frozen up on me as well with no additional software installed. Just because you have not had any problems does not mean that other people that are having problems are doing something wrong, believe me. I have gotten into this argument many times, and I have taken your position in the past, but as I have learned, it is just plain wrong.
It's an old story - I've been hearing it for years - "Windows is too, stable! It never crashes for me, you must be doing something wrong or installing crappy software'. I used to think people saying that were just plain evil, because I'd had plenty of experience to the contrary. But once I happened to be visiting, and I saw Windows crash right there, and get rebooted. I said, 'uh, didn't you just reboot Windows?' And he said, oh yeah, but believe me, but that was an exception, normally it never crashes.
Now I realize that these people aren't really evil, they're just lying to themselves. Human nature?
--
But now the flamewars will be about straight-up technical merit, or perhaps the relative merits of C++ vs good old C for development and deployment.
Such flamewars mainly have good effects. If you don't believe me, you haven't read the linux-kernel list enough. Most good things that happen in the kernel seem to require a flamewar somewhere along the line. Flamewars force participants to do their homework, and to engage in a continuous cycle of technical oneupsmanship. Flamewars force participants to produce results.
Regardless of the prospects for ever-more-entertaining-and-productive flamewars, the door is now open for real interoperability between Gnome and KDE.
--
Do those who work with computers all day find they play these games all night or is it mostly people who are in non-computer related jobs that spend hours gaming?
I think you're driving at a truth there - most computer professionals don't really have that much time for gaming. On the other hand, we do tend to have plenty of money for playtime, so picking up a game box just for a couple of hours of amusement, cutscenes and maybe a little play-through on "don't hurt me" difficulty is something you can do strictly on impulse. And some of us have kids.
But the bottom line is - it doesn't really matter whether this is a huge area for Linux or a tiny one. PC Gaming is Microsoft's last stand. If we can do something to advance the cause there, we will, and that includes buying Linux editions of games, or throwing in the odd hack just to keep things moving.
--
You'd think Loki, of all companies, would understand the need to provide direct links for large download files, instead trying to stuff the whole thing down the throat of my browser with a cgi script. It's no fun to have the download quit on the 160th of 170 megs, and be unable to resume. Please understand this: I do not want you to get fancy when I'm trying to download a file. Just give me a direct URL to the file, please, and I'll download it with the transfer program of my choice.
--
I'm kind of curious why you didn't mention sponsors - this is not the same as contributors. A sponsor is generally an interested party that would benefit from your work. This would include any company that would benefit from more and better network software on Linux. Keep this in mind: the bigger the company, the more the benefit in absolute terms. So hit up the big guys: IBM, Cicso, HP, Intel. How much is it going to cost you to send around a nicely worded letter to a few key people in each? Pick up a champion in the company and you'll find your Patron.
Speaking of patrons, remember there are a bunch of new penquin-millionaires. Don't be shy - hit up Larry and Bob. They can afford it, and they'll probably get even more back from your effort than they toss into the pot.
And don't forget the organizations like Collabra that are making it their business to put together sponsors with projects.
--
$1 Million won't even begin to pay the legal bill. OTOH, this case isn't finished yet. I expect MS will have to pony up quite a bit more before it's over
--
I had something to say about this a couple of days ago. The new industry-sponsored Open Source Development Lab may be your answer. Why not try to get your stuff on the agenda there? As I understand it, this is an exact fit with the Lab's mandate.
--
No copyright gives you smaller average size of recording company, home recording enthusiasts, people who don't mind looking after the business side for themselves, probably more acoustic music, and people who (for the large part erroneously) believe that they have something important to say to the world.
Err - you mean, former music execs playing banjo on the street?
--
Good enough for me. As far as I'm concerned, Sony's memory stick doesn't exist any more and they might as well stick it up their... Ah, just forget all the proprietary storage format BS ok? I just have no use for it.
--
What's this "we" crap? Are you a linux developer? Just because you like the whole idea of open source doesn't mean you make one bit of difference.
Oh yes.
Get over yourself.
You're in more trouble than you think, Mr. Coward
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If Microsoft can get it for 'some configuration' of NT, we should be able to get it for Linux. The only sticking point is the testing, documentation, time and money required. Maybe this lab can help.
:-)
Negative results are ok. Give us some negative results stated in nice clear terms and we'll fix them.
Maybe we can go Microsoft one better and get some kind of security clearance for a machine that's actually connected to a network.
--
This looks like just another piece of Microsoft-sponsored astroturfing to me.
--
The 70,000 figure is conservative if anything.
This looks like just another piece of Microsoft-sponsored astroturfing to me.
--
I installed the Galeon rpm after I installed the Mozilla RPM from the Eazel site. Imported my Netscape bookmarks and it worked immediately! I'm sure everbody can do that!!
:-)
I got the latest rpm from rpmfind. I initially had trouble getting it to work with SUSE, either via rpm or source compilation (library soup) but the latest rpm installed and ran without a hiccup.
I'm responding with Galeon now. If you can see this post, you know it works.
--
From the FreeDB site: Looks safe to me.
--
Then if Apple hardware is truly superior, people will buy it to run Linux. Loyal Mac users would be especially likely to do this. Likewise, as long as Apple software has some kind of bottom-line advantage it's going to be used by a certain number of people. These two things taken together mean to me that Apple is likely to hang on to its market share.
Perhaps if Window's market share starts to shrink dramatically Apple will actually see its share grow, though obviously Linux will be leading the way. It's tough to compete with free.
--
Why not just start a mass backup of the CDDB into FreeDB and pick up where it left us off?
Right on. This looks like an absolutely clear example of good versus evil. Though there are far greater injustices out there that need to be corrected, this is a good place to start. Lets test our power.
--
I think the sequence goes something like this:
1) Transit to satellite: 120ms
2) Unknown delay: x
3) Transit to groundstation: 120ms
4) Some typical ping time on wired Internet (roundtrip from groundstation to ping site to groundstation): y
5) Transit to satellite: 120ms
6) Unknown delay: x
7) Transit to home: 120ms
Add it all up and we have 480ms + 2x + y. Seems to me that could easily be 900ms.
Yes: a total of 480 ms is explainable by the distance and another 40% or so is unnecessary cruft. But granted, 540 ms is still an anacceptable ping time for a twitch game. The bottom line is that a geosync satllite link is useless for playing Quake, and this is enforced by the laws of physics.
A low-earth-orbit satellite network could do much better, in theory.
--
A couple of weeks or so ago I got the formal invitation in my email to get in to the program early as a beta tester. I turned it down for several reasons.
Guess you beta-tested their contract for them and found buts in it, huh?
What the previous poster didn't mention was this was because you were buying a whole new friggin computer...you can't use any old machine you got laying around, you MUST by a new one from them, and use their OS (Windows) and...
Sounds like another case of tieing, much like other practices for which Microsoft has already been tried and found guilty, though the supremes haven't had their say yet. Hang in there, Microsoft gets the book thrown at them - and they probably will - you'll have the last laugh. In the meantime take your business elsewhere... ah, you already did that, didn't you?
--
You don't have to be much of a wiz to do the math. *** pulls out kcalc ***
.12 secs/trip, and the round trip is .24 secs. Whether the satellite is on the horizon or straight above doesn't make much difference in this case because the geometry of the situation roughly cancels the effect.
Google turns up 35785 km as height to geosync orbit (on the first hit as usual - loves Google). Dividing by C=300000 km/sec gives about
So your 900 ms ping is not explained by the distance.
--
At parties these days you don't exchange phone numbers any more, you exchange ICQ numbers and Emails. This is fun, but I want to be able to exchange public encryption keys too. How do I do that? The key is waaaay too long to write on the back of a napkin. So the easiest way I've thought of so far is to print it on a card as a barcode, and later scan it in. With a cuecat, I guess. Anybody with me on this?
--
in sub-notebooks it gives a 30 to 40 per cent increase in battery life
It does? And no fan? Hot damm, where can I buy one? I want it yesterday.
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