In short, countries such as England (which rely on the Gulf Stream to be habitable at all!) will become uninhabitable waste-lands within a relatively short space of time.
then you type this:
These are the correct terms. You confuse dynamic equilibriums with static equilibriums. Easy to do, but only if you've never really got into science.
Sounds like your foundation in science isn't that great to be accusing people of "not getting into science". Put in a little ad hominem and withdraw your head in the sand the sky is withdrawing mentality in your previous post, and walla we self moderate to 2 points.
I mean, come on...statements like this: IMHO, humanity has seriously blown it, and the best anyone can really do now is create gene banks of all existing species, with sufficient variation to create viable populations. Humanity's greed and obsession with dominion over everything (including other humans) =may= have brought about the end of humanity itself. From the perspective of those who can't realistically make any difference, no matter what the reality turns out to be, the best bet is to act as if. Preserve the preservable, in case the worst happens. If the worst doesn't happen, then you've still prevented the extinction of any species you've got in the gene bank, which may save other species from the worst that can happen to them.
Are pure drivel. How can you even claim any sort of scientific background and spout crap like this with a straight face?
You're also neglecting that if the North Pole is melting, then the glaciers probably are, too, given that they're a lot closer to the equator. In addition, if the warming is symmetrical, there will be similar melting at the South Pole, which is almost entirely on land.
You're making some fast and loose assumptions. First of all, the mechanism by which glaciers recede and the polar cap melts are two different mechanisms. The polar cap is diminishing because of increased water temperature, while the glaciers would melt from increased ambient air temperature (which of course can affect the polar cap as well, but not as much as ocean currents do).
But is this even man-made? Well, the Earth is a gigantic dynamic system, which will ALWAYS move towards stable points. It's irrelevent, for the purposes of this, as to whether the stable points are termed "strange attractors" (Chaos) or "points of preferred condition" (Gaia). What matters is why the shift is even taking place.
Here's where jd throws in some technobabble to make his argument sound informed. "Gaia" and "strange attractors". Hate to break it to you, but the Earth is anything but a stable system. The fact that we've had a relatively stable few million years doesn't make a stable system.
It's indisputable that humans have had an impact on the atmosphere. A =SUSTAINED= impact. Natural phenomina may have an immediate impact that is far greater, but few natural phenomina of that magnitude last for more than a few days, maybe a few weeks. Humans have been sustaining the level of activity which could -potentially- be destabilising for over a century.
I see your knowledge is as weak as your logic. There are lots of natural phenomina that have large impacts over years, decades, centuries and longer. Take the eruption of Mount Pinatubo in the Phillipines. Lowered the global temperature an average of 1 C for a whole year. That was just one minor volcano. El Nino and La Nina have tremendous effects on climate.
Throw in the fact that we're not dealing with the nice linear system above, but a horribly complex non-linear system with constantly varying inputs from other non-linear systems, and the best guess you could possibly make will be way way out from whatever the reality will be.
I notice how this doesn't stop you from portending doom. Translation: jd's best guess is way way out from whatever the reality will be.
Back in the horror days when I worked for GTE (for their ADSL development...hint, don't buy it), they stuck 6 of us in a corner conference room (the small kind) with poor ventilation (ie, no air conditioning) on the side facing the afternoon sun. This was in summer. In Texas. It regularly got 90+ degrees in the office around 4 pm. It didn't help that we also had 6 computers in there (and an asshole "architect" who just loved Microsoft and VB and insisted on turning the lights on everytime we turned them off even though he was never in the office, er conference, er room from hell).
You mean like Ted Kaczynski? What was his quote? Too many airplanes not enough bombs?
No one is going to blame global warming on liberal extremists, but don't let that stop you from blaming any and all conservatives you can for it. Never mind that most Americans (liberal and otherwise) are too lazy to recycle, too busy fueling up their gas guzzling SUVs to worry about CO2 and water vapor emissions from said SUVs. People forget its a somewhat democratic process and the public just doesn't give a damn by and large. It doesn't help that the science on global warming isn't firmly in the camp that humans are the causitive agent.
What gets me with "liberals environmentalists" (who are usually green on the outside, red on the inside) is their penchant for thinking that the world was some Garden of Eden before humans staggered up off of all fours, and thats the way the Earth should stay in perpetuity, when reality is that the world has been constantly evolving and changing, and its been downright unpleasant (compared to now and the near future, as long as the super volcano under Yellowstone doesn't light up). As a famous economist once said, the only thing that matters is the short run, because in the long run we are all dead.
I live in DC, we have no voting rights, taxation without representation, clear and simple, AND we are prohibited from owning handguns.
So move. DC isn't a state, its treated as an administered territory much like Puerto Rico and Guam, thus you don't get the rights guaranteed under the Constitution to the American nations who reside in states.
Carnivore is a system that they have to physically place at an ISP under the aegis of a wiretap, so it takes a court order. Sure, broad warrants are easily drawn up, but thats a different issue altogether (the authorization to gather information clandestinely as opposed to the methods used to gather it).
Carnivore is such a small battle to fight when there are a lot greater injustices and civil liberty violations going on (Diallo for example).
If you don't want anyone reading your email, from the local hacks at the ISP office or your local FBI shop, then use PGP. Its not that hard to do. If you get busted by the FBI for doing something illegal over the wire, chances are its because you were pretty damn stupid and didn't bother to permanently delete things and encrypt the things you didn't delete.
Abuses of police and judicial power aren't anything new under sun, and at least Carnivore has to follow the letter of the law, even if the spirit will be violated, which is a hell of a lot more than you can say about the NSA and their intercept activities.
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I wrote: Congratulations for stating the obvious. Assuming someone has had freshman high school biology, this should be pretty apparent.
The Alik wrote: Go look up the thread a few comments. Notice the people talking about lasers made from plants and biological nanotech. So much for apparent facts.
I actually didn't get given the "organic == carbon" fact until I took organic chem in college. Maybe you had it in freshman high school bio, but many people didn't.
And besides, this is Slashdot. Stating the obvious is generally necessary.
Point taken. Actually I can't remember when they pounded in that organic = carbon, but it was before organic chem. Sorry for jumping on your case.
This is an article by Courtney Love where she explains the way a publisher net $6.5 million on $10 million in album sales and the band will gross $2 million and net $170,000 (split between 4 or 5 band members) on a record. How, even though the band supposedly gets 20% of the gross receipts of album sales, almost all of that money gets "recouped" by the record label to pay for CD manufacturing, album production, video production, and marketing efforts. How record labels choose which bands to push not by the quality or potential appeal of the music, but by the margin of profit guaranteed to the label if they push Band A or Band B.
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Oh boyo boyo. You type this:
In short, countries such as England (which rely on the Gulf Stream to be habitable at all!) will become uninhabitable waste-lands within a relatively short space of time.
then you type this: These are the correct terms. You confuse dynamic equilibriums with static equilibriums. Easy to do, but only if you've never really got into science.
Sounds like your foundation in science isn't that great to be accusing people of "not getting into science". Put in a little ad hominem and withdraw your head in the sand the sky is withdrawing mentality in your previous post, and walla we self moderate to 2 points.
I mean, come on...statements like this:
IMHO, humanity has seriously blown it, and the best anyone can really do now is create gene banks of all existing species, with sufficient variation to create viable populations. Humanity's greed and obsession with dominion over everything (including other humans) =may= have brought about the end of humanity itself. From the perspective of those who can't realistically make any difference, no matter what the reality turns out to be, the best bet is to act as if. Preserve the preservable, in case the worst happens. If the worst doesn't happen, then you've still prevented the extinction of any species you've got in the gene bank, which may save other species from the worst that can happen to them.
Are pure drivel. How can you even claim any sort of scientific background and spout crap like this with a straight face?
Yeah, gotta watch those water vapor emissions. Now, please excuse me while I die laughing.
Hey, its the tree huggers that moan about water vapor emissions. Two of the byproducts of hydrocarbon combustion are CO2 and H2O.
You're also neglecting that if the North Pole is melting, then the glaciers probably are, too, given that they're a lot closer to the equator. In addition, if the warming is symmetrical, there will be similar melting at the South Pole, which is almost entirely on land.
You're making some fast and loose assumptions. First of all, the mechanism by which glaciers recede and the polar cap melts are two different mechanisms. The polar cap is diminishing because of increased water temperature, while the glaciers would melt from increased ambient air temperature (which of course can affect the polar cap as well, but not as much as ocean currents do).
But is this even man-made? Well, the Earth is a gigantic dynamic system, which will ALWAYS move towards stable points. It's irrelevent, for the purposes of this, as to whether the stable points are termed "strange attractors" (Chaos) or "points of preferred condition" (Gaia). What matters is why the shift is even taking place.
Here's where jd throws in some technobabble to make his argument sound informed. "Gaia" and "strange attractors". Hate to break it to you, but the Earth is anything but a stable system. The fact that we've had a relatively stable few million years doesn't make a stable system.
It's indisputable that humans have had an impact on the atmosphere. A =SUSTAINED= impact. Natural phenomina may have an immediate impact that is far greater, but few natural phenomina of that magnitude last for more than a few days, maybe a few weeks. Humans have been sustaining the level of activity which could -potentially- be destabilising for over a century.
I see your knowledge is as weak as your logic. There are lots of natural phenomina that have large impacts over years, decades, centuries and longer. Take the eruption of Mount Pinatubo in the Phillipines. Lowered the global temperature an average of 1 C for a whole year. That was just one minor volcano. El Nino and La Nina have tremendous effects on climate.
Throw in the fact that we're not dealing with the nice linear system above, but a horribly complex non-linear system with constantly varying inputs from other non-linear systems, and the best guess you could possibly make will be way way out from whatever the reality will be.
I notice how this doesn't stop you from portending doom. Translation: jd's best guess is way way out from whatever the reality will be.
Back in the horror days when I worked for GTE (for their ADSL development...hint, don't buy it), they stuck 6 of us in a corner conference room (the small kind) with poor ventilation (ie, no air conditioning) on the side facing the afternoon sun. This was in summer. In Texas. It regularly got 90+ degrees in the office around 4 pm. It didn't help that we also had 6 computers in there (and an asshole "architect" who just loved Microsoft and VB and insisted on turning the lights on everytime we turned them off even though he was never in the office, er conference, er room from hell).
You mean like Ted Kaczynski? What was his quote? Too many airplanes not enough bombs?
No one is going to blame global warming on liberal extremists, but don't let that stop you from blaming any and all conservatives you can for it. Never mind that most Americans (liberal and otherwise) are too lazy to recycle, too busy fueling up their gas guzzling SUVs to worry about CO2 and water vapor emissions from said SUVs. People forget its a somewhat democratic process and the public just doesn't give a damn by and large. It doesn't help that the science on global warming isn't firmly in the camp that humans are the causitive agent.
What gets me with "liberals environmentalists" (who are usually green on the outside, red on the inside) is their penchant for thinking that the world was some Garden of Eden before humans staggered up off of all fours, and thats the way the Earth should stay in perpetuity, when reality is that the world has been constantly evolving and changing, and its been downright unpleasant (compared to now and the near future, as long as the super volcano under Yellowstone doesn't light up). As a famous economist once said, the only thing that matters is the short run, because in the long run we are all dead.
I live in DC, we have no voting rights, taxation without representation, clear and simple, AND we are prohibited from owning handguns.
So move. DC isn't a state, its treated as an administered territory much like Puerto Rico and Guam, thus you don't get the rights guaranteed under the Constitution to the American nations who reside in states.
Carnivore is a system that they have to physically place at an ISP under the aegis of a wiretap, so it takes a court order. Sure, broad warrants are easily drawn up, but thats a different issue altogether (the authorization to gather information clandestinely as opposed to the methods used to gather it).
Carnivore is such a small battle to fight when there are a lot greater injustices and civil liberty violations going on (Diallo for example).
If you don't want anyone reading your email, from the local hacks at the ISP office or your local FBI shop, then use PGP. Its not that hard to do. If you get busted by the FBI for doing something illegal over the wire, chances are its because you were pretty damn stupid and didn't bother to permanently delete things and encrypt the things you didn't delete.
Abuses of police and judicial power aren't anything new under sun, and at least Carnivore has to follow the letter of the law, even if the spirit will be violated, which is a hell of a lot more than you can say about the NSA and their intercept activities.
I wrote:
Congratulations for stating the obvious. Assuming someone has had freshman high school biology, this should be pretty apparent.
The Alik wrote:
Go look up the thread a few comments. Notice the people talking about lasers made from plants and biological nanotech. So much for apparent facts.
I actually didn't get given the "organic == carbon" fact until I took organic chem in college. Maybe you had it in freshman high school bio, but many people didn't.
And besides, this is Slashdot. Stating the obvious is generally necessary.
Point taken. Actually I can't remember when they pounded in that organic = carbon, but it was before organic chem. Sorry for jumping on your case.
Forget Microsoft, which by and large has been beneficial to developers and consumers alike over the long term.
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The RIAA rips off artists and it rips off consumers to pad their own pockets.
http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love
This is an article by Courtney Love where she explains the way a publisher net $6.5 million on $10 million in album sales and the band will gross $2 million and net $170,000 (split between 4 or 5 band members) on a record. How, even though the band supposedly gets 20% of the gross receipts of album sales, almost all of that money gets "recouped" by the record label to pay for CD manufacturing, album production, video production, and marketing efforts. How record labels choose which bands to push not by the quality or potential appeal of the music, but by the margin of profit guaranteed to the label if they push Band A or Band B.