I think anybody that doesn't suck at IT has been burned or attempted burned at some point in their career, usually early on, then we all learn, then employers wonder why nobody stays over 3 years at their company in IT. Maybe we need to make skills marketing a part of the CIS curriculum. Still, there's some stuff worth working hard for, just none of it is located at any type of for profit business, well maybe r&d.
Sorry indeed, some people are so into computers and tech they don't realize that they're being abused by their employer as a result. It's something I've had to learn to deal with too, I get asked to do minor stuff in hats other than the code realm because I know them and they're on my resume, but if its something major like come be our DBA til we hire a new one, that requires a pay raise or a bonus (I try to be easy to work with).
Also, I'm happy answering questions, like where is this located, where does this pull from, or where can I find the password to this, if it's how does this work, or can you help me get this working, that requires a consulting fee, no idea why it would be anything else. My time will always be more valuable than theirs.
Yep, when you have physical access to the ISP to plant your MITM hardware/software its do-able. I think we're saying the same thing which is basically if you have unlimited access to high level networks like the government seems to, google MITM is easy to do, but the original post I was responding to said ANYBODY can do google MITM, which is completely untrue.
It may sound completely foreign to you but some people take pride in their work and accept responsibility for what they do and are thus available after they leave to help with stuff they've done. My rule is if its only something I'd know I'll answer, if its an under-sight or technical incompetence, or just pure laziness, I don't respond. I've also never answered a cold call from a former employer. If it's important enough they can leave a voicemail.
Neither one of your methods is scalable to monitor ALL google users. Also, you couldn't set up a bridge w/o having access to a privileged network first, at the client, isp, or server level.
1. It's MITM attacks that intercept traffic, wireshark would be a tool used to log it, not intercept it. 2. MITM on this scale is unfeasible, they have a backdoor to google.
Tapping an IX... maybe, but more likely the backdoor.
Also my money's on they're going to say the brits tipped them off with their "known" wiretapping program preying on the public's ignorance of BGP routing.
but... they stopped 58 terrorist plots according to the NSA. They just missed Boston because the bombers only had "ties" to terrorists, they weren't terrorists themselves... oh wait, what's a terrorist again?
They also missed the fort shooting, the school shootings, the theater, embassy bombings, trail derailing (can we blame the terrorists for these yet?), and random factory explosions. But 58... that's a big real number.
Feel free to chime in with anything else they've missed like common sense.
There's nothing simple about intercepting client server anonymous traffic on the net. Much less the scope of the data that google processes. Also ssl doesn't matter if google is forking over the data internally.
Well... he certainly brought change. Just not the kind he was voted in for. Perhaps we should start making over presidents sign contracts like the lesser folk stating here's what we need and here's what you'll deliver.
You want the government to hold your hand and tell you what's right and wrong because you are too stupid and fearful to decide for yourself. Fear... everything, fear me, fear snowden, fear slashdot, fear till it kills you...
Also,
We prefer to control private parties so they don't gain too much power.
Do you think you're the Illuminati or something?
You're either trolling or are bat shit crazy, either way take your idea of government and shove it.
I'm willing to bet all this will get a lot easier as the technology matures, and you will ALWAYS find people who will complain about how hard something is to use.
Now I don't own one, but correct me if I'm wrong...
Calibration is automatic Leveling it on a floor is common sense, esp if the instructions require it Any printer ever made requires maintenance
It's probably harder with less mature technology to ensure #1 is right and #3 is being done, but give it a few years especially if demand picks up and it'll be just as easy as maintaining your laser printer.
There's printers out there going for over 10k right now.... why? many reasons, but in short they can do more faster & longer than typical printers. Same thing with 3d printing, the size of what it can print seems to be a price point, possibly the types of plastic material it can work with another. While it will get cheaper, we'll see better ones in the 2k price range emerge. A 20% failure rate does sound pretty bad at the moment though, I'd start by making them more reliable and then worrying about the parts costs.
I think somewhere behind all this is a refusal by Chinese companies to let the USA oversee and audit their manufacturing processes. It's not that they're smarter its that you can't ever fully security test an application much less a piece of hardware because of the possibility of code being triggered by a specific sequence that you may or may not guess to put it simply.
I do think that this is more of a shotgun better safe than sorry approach that happens to highlight our distrust of China.
In the world of common sense they'd only be used when they needed to be... once. Say on a preemptive attack. Sound unlikely? Nobody predicted Pearl harbor either. Also, I'm going to make an assumption too and that's neither the NSA or MS are going to divulge that information to you, so your statement is actually an assumption.
I guess... do you really understand what a backdoor is?
An OEM can easily add a number of things that are undetectable and can be activated when needed. I think the real hesitation here is that the gov probably has a process for auditing the code hardware and software from development to deployment to ensure there isn't dormant code waiting to activate on a signal to give root to a remote attacker. It's not that they think China will backdoor them, it's that they can't be 100% sure with Chinese manufacturing.
Then again, maybe the NSA should develop a NAT system for us to filter such iffy traffic so the government could use lenovos? Sounds perfectly justifiable to me (satire for those of below average IQ).
So... what will you do when that one individual without political apathy comes along that abuses their power to tie it all in together through bribery, murder, and corruption?
The whole point of our system is to provide checks and balances to stop such an individual however what we're seeing more and more of is that rubber band has lost its elasticity.
I think its time to hit the ballots and ask ourselves what do we really want, what have we done against terrorism these past 300 years that's worked, that for some reason doesn't work now (how about not messing with the governments of other nations for fun on taxpayer money). We've created so many laws that doing just about anything is illegal. We've given too much power to authority that they act like assholes and get away with it with a smile. Realize that if we allowed firearms on planes, 9/11 would've never happened, the patriot act would've never happened, hundreds of thousands of people wouldn't have died in the decade long wars to follow. So ask yourself, who are we really protecting here through all these government programs.
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In V they put black bags over people's heads and made them disappear, we've had Guantanamo for years. And... remember anthrax?
I think anybody that doesn't suck at IT has been burned or attempted burned at some point in their career, usually early on, then we all learn, then employers wonder why nobody stays over 3 years at their company in IT. Maybe we need to make skills marketing a part of the CIS curriculum. Still, there's some stuff worth working hard for, just none of it is located at any type of for profit business, well maybe r&d.
Sorry indeed, some people are so into computers and tech they don't realize that they're being abused by their employer as a result. It's something I've had to learn to deal with too, I get asked to do minor stuff in hats other than the code realm because I know them and they're on my resume, but if its something major like come be our DBA til we hire a new one, that requires a pay raise or a bonus (I try to be easy to work with).
Also, I'm happy answering questions, like where is this located, where does this pull from, or where can I find the password to this, if it's how does this work, or can you help me get this working, that requires a consulting fee, no idea why it would be anything else. My time will always be more valuable than theirs.
Yep, when you have physical access to the ISP to plant your MITM hardware/software its do-able. I think we're saying the same thing which is basically if you have unlimited access to high level networks like the government seems to, google MITM is easy to do, but the original post I was responding to said ANYBODY can do google MITM, which is completely untrue.
Ummm....
http://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Remote-Control-finder-Glasses/sim/B002II81N0/2
5 seconds of google. YW. Still doesn't fix the root cause of why you can't find your remote in the first place though!
You don't think the NSA wants to take the time to brute force your wifi key do you?
Everything here with the addition of asking why something was done the way it was if you're unfamiliar with it.
It may sound completely foreign to you but some people take pride in their work and accept responsibility for what they do and are thus available after they leave to help with stuff they've done. My rule is if its only something I'd know I'll answer, if its an under-sight or technical incompetence, or just pure laziness, I don't respond. I've also never answered a cold call from a former employer. If it's important enough they can leave a voicemail.
"Sorry it was hot out and I don't have AC, please refer to the following studies stating it was not my fault"
Neither one of your methods is scalable to monitor ALL google users. Also, you couldn't set up a bridge w/o having access to a privileged network first, at the client, isp, or server level.
*shrug*
This is a standard tactic in the SEO realm. The PR generated once it was found out however... that marketer's gone.
Two things...
1. It's MITM attacks that intercept traffic, wireshark would be a tool used to log it, not intercept it.
2. MITM on this scale is unfeasible, they have a backdoor to google.
Tapping an IX... maybe, but more likely the backdoor.
Also my money's on they're going to say the brits tipped them off with their "known" wiretapping program preying on the public's ignorance of BGP routing.
but... they stopped 58 terrorist plots according to the NSA. They just missed Boston because the bombers only had "ties" to terrorists, they weren't terrorists themselves... oh wait, what's a terrorist again?
They also missed the fort shooting, the school shootings, the theater, embassy bombings, trail derailing (can we blame the terrorists for these yet?), and random factory explosions. But 58... that's a big real number.
Feel free to chime in with anything else they've missed like common sense.
With ease?
Are u sure u know how all this works?
There's nothing simple about intercepting client server anonymous traffic on the net. Much less the scope of the data that google processes. Also ssl doesn't matter if google is forking over the data internally.
Well... he certainly brought change. Just not the kind he was voted in for. Perhaps we should start making over presidents sign contracts like the lesser folk stating here's what we need and here's what you'll deliver.
You're a coward...
You want the government to hold your hand and tell you what's right and wrong because you are too stupid and fearful to decide for yourself. Fear... everything, fear me, fear snowden, fear slashdot, fear till it kills you...
Also,
We prefer to control private parties so they don't gain too much power.
Do you think you're the Illuminati or something?
You're either trolling or are bat shit crazy, either way take your idea of government and shove it.
I'm willing to bet all this will get a lot easier as the technology matures, and you will ALWAYS find people who will complain about how hard something is to use.
Now I don't own one, but correct me if I'm wrong...
Calibration is automatic
Leveling it on a floor is common sense, esp if the instructions require it
Any printer ever made requires maintenance
It's probably harder with less mature technology to ensure #1 is right and #3 is being done, but give it a few years especially if demand picks up and it'll be just as easy as maintaining your laser printer.
Yes & no...
There's printers out there going for over 10k right now.... why? many reasons, but in short they can do more faster & longer than typical printers. Same thing with 3d printing, the size of what it can print seems to be a price point, possibly the types of plastic material it can work with another. While it will get cheaper, we'll see better ones in the 2k price range emerge. A 20% failure rate does sound pretty bad at the moment though, I'd start by making them more reliable and then worrying about the parts costs.
It can frustrate 3rd world oppressive governments with sniffing capabilities (there's a few) thats about it.
I think somewhere behind all this is a refusal by Chinese companies to let the USA oversee and audit their manufacturing processes. It's not that they're smarter its that you can't ever fully security test an application much less a piece of hardware because of the possibility of code being triggered by a specific sequence that you may or may not guess to put it simply.
I do think that this is more of a shotgun better safe than sorry approach that happens to highlight our distrust of China.
In the world of common sense they'd only be used when they needed to be... once. Say on a preemptive attack. Sound unlikely? Nobody predicted Pearl harbor either. Also, I'm going to make an assumption too and that's neither the NSA or MS are going to divulge that information to you, so your statement is actually an assumption.
How presumptive of you.
I guess... do you really understand what a backdoor is?
An OEM can easily add a number of things that are undetectable and can be activated when needed. I think the real hesitation here is that the gov probably has a process for auditing the code hardware and software from development to deployment to ensure there isn't dormant code waiting to activate on a signal to give root to a remote attacker. It's not that they think China will backdoor them, it's that they can't be 100% sure with Chinese manufacturing.
Then again, maybe the NSA should develop a NAT system for us to filter such iffy traffic so the government could use lenovos? Sounds perfectly justifiable to me (satire for those of below average IQ).
You forgot the best part: The electoral college: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_(United_States) . It's a road map for where to make your bribes go the furthest for those running for office who can't figure it out.
So... what will you do when that one individual without political apathy comes along that abuses their power to tie it all in together through bribery, murder, and corruption?
The whole point of our system is to provide checks and balances to stop such an individual however what we're seeing more and more of is that rubber band has lost its elasticity.
I think its time to hit the ballots and ask ourselves what do we really want, what have we done against terrorism these past 300 years that's worked, that for some reason doesn't work now (how about not messing with the governments of other nations for fun on taxpayer money). We've created so many laws that doing just about anything is illegal. We've given too much power to authority that they act like assholes and get away with it with a smile. Realize that if we allowed firearms on planes, 9/11 would've never happened, the patriot act would've never happened, hundreds of thousands of people wouldn't have died in the decade long wars to follow. So ask yourself, who are we really protecting here through all these government programs.