I think the poster was referring to the fact that OS X's interface (Aqua) is very slow. YellowDog Linux and KDE or Window Maker is *much* faster than MacOS X and Aqua. I had heard (rumor only) that in order to get MacOS X out (and stop any potential developper bleed), Apple had to compromise and write Aqua in Carbon instead of Cocoa. The good news is that this could certainly explain the performance problems with Aqua, and better news is that it probably means that there is room for a lot of improvement in future releases. Until then, I'll run YDL (and probably afterwards anyway).
So, you shouldn't let a little thing like that stop you from reading the rest of the article, it isn't that bad.
For starters, more operating systems on your hardware mean more choices, and I've never seen a case where more choices was a bad thing. Besides, having some serious competition on their own hardware will just keep Apple honest, and maybe keep their prices down (MacOS X is overpriced IMO).
Also, if you have any older PPC hardware, such as pre G3 machines, OS X isn't an option and Linux runs quite well on the older hardware. Why throw out that PPC7200, it makes a great IP Router or nice mail server, or decent http server... etc. etc.
and then there's Mac OS X. OS X has most of the cool stuff you can get out of a *NIX box, plus a really nice GUI.
While I agree that the GUI in MacOS X is pretty, the rest of the OS leaves a lot to be desired. On my Dual Processor G4s, the most recent release runs slower than the public beta did. Also, I'm had a hell of a time getting open source software to compile on MacOS X that was a breeze to install on Linux. PostgreSQL, SSH are a couple that I just gave up on, and eventually I gave up on MacOS X altogether.
I also have many issues with MacOS X, other than getting decent software to compile on it. 1) It doesn't ship with up to date utilities (vi, but not VIM is an example). 2) I'm really more of a BASH kind of person 3) I really HATE all those @#$@#$ directories with uppercase letters!!! I'm writing a shell script, not a @#$@#% novel! 4) The performance leaves a lot to be desired. 5) I like windowmaker damnit! Why can't Apple put the NeXT interface into MacOS, at least as an option. It isn't like they didn't buy the damn company! 6) Anti-alised fonts all over the place give me a headache.
I could go on, but this isn't an anti-MacOS X thread.
Besides, I now have several G4s running Linux and they have been rock solid. More info on these servers here.
maybe they'll be the first to make a Linux distro for PPC that doesn't suck
Well, I don't know what distros you've been using, but I've been very happy with YellowDog, and they are about to ship version 2.0, starting tomorrow.
And, no, I don't work for Terrasoft (the distributors of YellowDog), I simply really like their product.
Please, someone explain this movie to me. I don't get why it is so popular.
Well, I can't explain why others like the film, but I can tell you what I liked about it:
From what I can tell, the Wachowski brothers are *big* Hitchcock fans. There are several direct quotes from several classic films. Example: The scene where the agent is chasing Trinity on the roof is a *direct* quote from Hitchcock's Vertigo (only they are running in the opposite direction). They also quote Vertigo in other places in the film, most notably the scene when the camera is looking down the stairwell in the run-down building.
Another classic film quote is a play on a theme that was first introduced in Orson Well's Citizen Cain. If you don't know it, it was a very important moment/idea in film, where for the first time the viewer was now disassociated from the physical reality that he/she was watching. This was done by having the camera zoom from outside of a building... through a window and continue into the room in a seemless motion (Well's used lightning to hide the edit). This theme is repeated all over The Matrix, the most notable one is going through the video screen when Neo is about to be interrogated by the agents. Very cool.
As a musician (I'm a music technology student) I find the score to be really good, and the editing was fantastic! I loved the bar scene-->alarm clock edit.
A couple of other cool things that many people miss are the numbers on the doors. Neo's door has the number 101 (a binary number), and Trinity's door (at the beginning of the film) has the number 303. Very subtle, but it shows that the Wachowski bros are most definitely paying a lot of attention to detail. I only wish that the door going to Morpheus would have been 202, but maybe that would have been too obvious.
My absolute favorite angle in the entire film however is the shot of the cop about to put the handcuffs on Trinity as seen through the triangle of her arm on her head. What a fantastic shot.... this also shows a huge comic influence (which is also very evident all throughout the film).
Anyway, I could go on about this for ever, and there are others that are much more qualified and articulate...
That's pretty easy. Login to OS X as >console with no password,
This is one thing I really like in the OS X PB. Don't get me wrong, I thought the PB was a fantastic improvement over OS9.x, and the eye candy was something else. I just don't see it replacing any of my server machines for a while.
We are contemplating migrating to OS X for one of our PostgreSQL machines however as the current (stable) Linux PPC kernels don't support SMP yet. So, OS X will actually allow us to *use* that second processor.:-)
No, the power of Unix *is* the command line; it's *linux* that has the power to "configure/modify/recompile/disable/enable" any system part (except that which you do not have the source for).
I'm not convinced that this is accurate. I don't have the source for much of the software on my Solaris boxes, but I can still get easy access to many system components and lock down/remove/configure what I need to. This is near impossible in MacOS, sure you can remove extensions, but what if I wanted software foo to use port X instead of port Y? MacOS extensions are near closed (unless you get lucky with Resedit). This is also difficult in Windows (unless you *enjoy* editing the system registry).
And for those who want at the real power of Unix, simply fire up Terminal.app, and start typing away.
The terminal is hardly the 'real power of Unix'. The real power of (especially) linux is the ability to configure/modify/recompile/disable/enable any component you need with relative ease. I've played around with OS X PB, and IMO it is an improvement over the current MacOSes, but the system configuration is a bit of a mess... at least from a Linux user perspective. Perhaps BSD users might have a happier time?
Anyway, my G4s (see URL above) will be running YellowDog Linux for a while. We might integrate MacOS X for some uses, but it will be a while before it replaces Linux.
A couple of corrections regarding your post:
First generation NeXT machines were 68030 (I believe), the NeXT Cube, Turbo and NeXTstation (+-color) were 68040s at 25 or 33 Mhz.
Like even the Macs at the time, NeXTs had an internal and external SCSI bus, so adding a faster/bigger external HD was easy. I don't know of anyone serious who had a NeXT station without a HD.
Also, the statement 'The DSP never got used for anything intresting' is completey false. IRCAM (a federally funded research orginization in France) used the NeXT to create the ISPW (Ircam Signal Processing Workstation) and there are probably still some NeXT cubes being used today for live/interactive DSP (although most of the components of the ISPW have been ported over to the Mac in MAX/MSP - www.cycling74.com or in IRCAM's jMax). This probably made the NeXT machine one of the coolest DSP machines ever.
I do agree that the NeXT is a very cool looking machine, and I don't plan on getting rid of mine at all. It is/was incredibly stable and its attractive design makes a great terminal/discussion piece for the living room.
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How many huge corporate mergers are we going to have? Soon we're just going to have one giant corporation controlling everything.
We already do. The company is called Sony (Columbia/Coka Cola/Paramount)
If Apple and Sun were to merge, the new company name would be Snapple.
If Apple and IBM were to merge, the new company name would be IBM.
and what is this about aqua being "down"?
I think the poster was referring to the fact that OS X's interface (Aqua) is very slow. YellowDog Linux and KDE or Window Maker is *much* faster than MacOS X and Aqua. I had heard (rumor only) that in order to get MacOS X out (and stop any potential developper bleed), Apple had to compromise and write Aqua in Carbon instead of Cocoa. The good news is that this could certainly explain the performance problems with Aqua, and better news is that it probably means that there is room for a lot of improvement in future releases. Until then, I'll run YDL (and probably afterwards anyway).
So, you shouldn't let a little thing like that stop you from reading the rest of the article, it isn't that bad.
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Check out:
http://www.thedukeofurl.org/reviews/misc/yellowdo
from the review, or more specifically:
http://devel.yellowdoglinux.com/rp_yup.shtml
I certainly preferred this rather than some lamer posting 'Weee 1st post!'.
I'm going to submit them to www.fuckedcompany.com.
Should be in the hall of fame soon.
As a PowerPC owner, why should I care?
For starters, more operating systems on your hardware mean more choices, and I've never seen a case where more choices was a bad thing. Besides, having some serious competition on their own hardware will just keep Apple honest, and maybe keep their prices down (MacOS X is overpriced IMO).
Also, if you have any older PPC hardware, such as pre G3 machines, OS X isn't an option and Linux runs quite well on the older hardware. Why throw out that PPC7200, it makes a great IP Router or nice mail server, or decent http server... etc. etc.
and then there's Mac OS X. OS X has most of the cool stuff you can get out of a *NIX box, plus a really nice GUI.
While I agree that the GUI in MacOS X is pretty, the rest of the OS leaves a lot to be desired. On my Dual Processor G4s, the most recent release runs slower than the public beta did. Also, I'm had a hell of a time getting open source software to compile on MacOS X that was a breeze to install on Linux. PostgreSQL, SSH are a couple that I just gave up on, and eventually I gave up on MacOS X altogether.
I also have many issues with MacOS X, other than getting decent software to compile on it. 1) It doesn't ship with up to date utilities (vi, but not VIM is an example). 2) I'm really more of a BASH kind of person 3) I really HATE all those @#$@#$ directories with uppercase letters!!! I'm writing a shell script, not a @#$@#% novel! 4) The performance leaves a lot to be desired. 5) I like windowmaker damnit! Why can't Apple put the NeXT interface into MacOS, at least as an option. It isn't like they didn't buy the damn company! 6) Anti-alised fonts all over the place give me a headache.
I could go on, but this isn't an anti-MacOS X thread.
Besides, I now have several G4s running Linux and they have been rock solid. More info on these servers here.
maybe they'll be the first to make a Linux distro for PPC that doesn't suck
Well, I don't know what distros you've been using, but I've been very happy with YellowDog, and they are about to ship version 2.0, starting tomorrow.
And, no, I don't work for Terrasoft (the distributors of YellowDog), I simply really like their product.
Please, someone explain this movie to me. I don't get why it is so popular.
Well, I can't explain why others like the film, but I can tell you what I liked about it:
From what I can tell, the Wachowski brothers are *big* Hitchcock fans. There are several direct quotes from several classic films. Example: The scene where the agent is chasing Trinity on the roof is a *direct* quote from Hitchcock's Vertigo (only they are running in the opposite direction). They also quote Vertigo in other places in the film, most notably the scene when the camera is looking down the stairwell in the run-down building.
Another classic film quote is a play on a theme that was first introduced in Orson Well's Citizen Cain. If you don't know it, it was a very important moment/idea in film, where for the first time the viewer was now disassociated from the physical reality that he/she was watching. This was done by having the camera zoom from outside of a building... through a window and continue into the room in a seemless motion (Well's used lightning to hide the edit). This theme is repeated all over The Matrix, the most notable one is going through the video screen when Neo is about to be interrogated by the agents. Very cool.
As a musician (I'm a music technology student) I find the score to be really good, and the editing was fantastic! I loved the bar scene-->alarm clock edit.
A couple of other cool things that many people miss are the numbers on the doors. Neo's door has the number 101 (a binary number), and Trinity's door (at the beginning of the film) has the number 303. Very subtle, but it shows that the Wachowski bros are most definitely paying a lot of attention to detail. I only wish that the door going to Morpheus would have been 202, but maybe that would have been too obvious.
My absolute favorite angle in the entire film however is the shot of the cop about to put the handcuffs on Trinity as seen through the triangle of her arm on her head. What a fantastic shot.... this also shows a huge comic influence (which is also very evident all throughout the film).
Anyway, I could go on about this for ever, and there are others that are much more qualified and articulate...
That's pretty easy. Login to OS X as >console with no password,
:-)
This is one thing I really like in the OS X PB. Don't get me wrong, I thought the PB was a fantastic improvement over OS9.x, and the eye candy was something else. I just don't see it replacing any of my server machines for a while.
We are contemplating migrating to OS X for one of our PostgreSQL machines however as the current (stable) Linux PPC kernels don't support SMP yet. So, OS X will actually allow us to *use* that second processor.
No, the power of Unix *is* the command line; it's *linux* that has the power to "configure/modify/recompile/disable/enable" any system part (except that which you do not have the source for).
I'm not convinced that this is accurate. I don't have the source for much of the software on my Solaris boxes, but I can still get easy access to many system components and lock down/remove/configure what I need to. This is near impossible in MacOS, sure you can remove extensions, but what if I wanted software foo to use port X instead of port Y? MacOS extensions are near closed (unless you get lucky with Resedit). This is also difficult in Windows (unless you *enjoy* editing the system registry).
And for those who want at the real power of Unix, simply fire up Terminal.app, and start typing away.
The terminal is hardly the 'real power of Unix'. The real power of (especially) linux is the ability to configure/modify/recompile/disable/enable any component you need with relative ease. I've played around with OS X PB, and IMO it is an improvement over the current MacOSes, but the system configuration is a bit of a mess... at least from a Linux user perspective. Perhaps BSD users might have a happier time?
Anyway, my G4s (see URL above) will be running YellowDog Linux for a while. We might integrate MacOS X for some uses, but it will be a while before it replaces Linux.
George Clinton was the Clinton that didn't forget to inhale.
:-)
P is the funk, is the funk, is the funk, is the funk....
A couple of corrections regarding your post: First generation NeXT machines were 68030 (I believe), the NeXT Cube, Turbo and NeXTstation (+-color) were 68040s at 25 or 33 Mhz. Like even the Macs at the time, NeXTs had an internal and external SCSI bus, so adding a faster/bigger external HD was easy. I don't know of anyone serious who had a NeXT station without a HD. Also, the statement 'The DSP never got used for anything intresting' is completey false. IRCAM (a federally funded research orginization in France) used the NeXT to create the ISPW (Ircam Signal Processing Workstation) and there are probably still some NeXT cubes being used today for live/interactive DSP (although most of the components of the ISPW have been ported over to the Mac in MAX/MSP - www.cycling74.com or in IRCAM's jMax). This probably made the NeXT machine one of the coolest DSP machines ever. I do agree that the NeXT is a very cool looking machine, and I don't plan on getting rid of mine at all. It is/was incredibly stable and its attractive design makes a great terminal/discussion piece for the living room.