It's already in progress as per John Carmac's 5-19-99 plan file:
I know SMP is a que for all the BeOS folks to ask about ports, so I'm going to head that off: Be has all the code for Q3 (and Q2, for that matter), and a version of Q3test should be available by the time they ship a release OS with OpenGL hardware acceleration.
A quote from Andrew Kimpton, the fellow doing the BeOS port (from an email to the BeUserTalk Mailing list 5-28-99):
On the matter of release dates it's important to remember that what has currently been released for Linux, Windows, MacOS et al is Q3Test this NOT Quake 3: Arena. It's a test program to explore hardware compatibility issues and the like. The final release date for Quake 3:Arena has not been set (to the best of my knowledge) however I believe it's expected it to be later in the year perhaps late Summer/Fall or there abouts. By which time Genki will have been released and undoubtedly installed in many a system.
Quake 2 has been released (gotta have a 3dfx video card though). Genki's shiped but the buzz is Q3 won't be released until Be's OpenGL supports multitexturing.
Board games have been a very popular genre back though the ages. With all the technical advances (ie plastic pieces, printed money, n-sided dice) the premise remains essentially the same. How much longer do you expect the genre to be popular?
Sorry about missing the first one that was my bad. My only excuse is I was too lazy to look through 150+ posts for what turned out to be mostly the same argument.
*sigh* You are witnessing a typo, which has been covered in this thread as well.
I did see the second thread and I think even with the correction to your typo you're still very wrong. I'd venture to say that most people who are vegan are in better health than the majority of people who eat meat. Anyone who's going to be vegan for any length of time has to care about what they eat, they choose not to eat the majority of the junkfood most people consume, fast food, candy, soda, etc.
Sorry to nitpick but I'd just like to see some of the common vegan/vegitarian myths disaperar. As you can see from the Walden quote they same myths have been around for quite a while.
Also, thinking about all the vegans and vegetarians out there. They don't want to eat animals (ok, that comment was broad-sweeping.. I'll admit right now that that is not the rationale for all of them.. for those that it is, that is who the following is concerned with, alright?). Well.. guess what? Plants are alive too! Just because they can't run off, they aren't "deserving" of life? Because they can't scream, you assume they can't feel? By that line of reasoning, a mute amputee would not be deserving of life either.
Think about it from a thermodynamics-ish view, to get one pound of beef it takes 10 pounds of grain (this is a statistic I heard long ago, I'm assuming it's validity for the sake of argument, feel free to correct me). That 10 pounds of grain could have fed a bunch more people, more nutritiously, than the pound of beef.
Now come up with the pseudo-math of suffering, assuming that all suffering is equal. You first kill the wheat (some very big number of plants die) which is quite a lot of suffering to be sure. The wheat is then fed to a cow, which is killed and also suffers quite a bit. Well if you'd just fed the grain to the people (never having raised the cow for slaughter) only the wheat dies. For a 600 pound cow that's 6000 pounds of grain, 600 pounds of beef will feed quite a few people but 6000 pounds of grain will feed more people for longer. Feel free to do the pseudo-math for feeding people only beef, a lot more grain dies and then you kill the cows. Eating only grain (or vegetables) causes less suffering. I met a guy who's goal was to prevent suffering on all levels his diet consisted of fruit and nuts, and he'd been eating it, healthfully I might add for twenty something years.
Think about it. (also think about how sick vegans and such get because it's so hard to maintain a healthy diet without eating any kind of animal product)
I'm curious what caused your belief that vegans are by nature sick. Did you have a friend who just one day decided to stop eating dairy? They probably didn't do any research about proper nutrition. I know people who have been vegan for years and I know people who have tried it for weeks. It's all about eating properly, something most people don't do anyway.
I get a kick from this quote from Walden by Henry David Thoreau:
One farmer says to me, "You cannot live on vegetable food solely, for it furnishes nothing to make bones with"; and so he religiously devotes a part of his day to supplying his system with the raw material of bones; walking all the while he talks behind his oxen, which, with vegetable-made bones, jerk him and his lumbering plow along in spite of every obstacle.
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The major problem I see between software doing the filtering and (as one clever reader put it) wetware is that software rules aren't flexible. It's a given that things change, authors have changes of hart, flamers burn out, and hopefully script kiddies grow up. Ignore software doesn't take this into account, once I've ignored you, even if you have a complete change of heart and are coming up with truly insightful things, I won't know because I'm still ignoring you.
In my subject I said it's not natural, until the software is modeled after a more biological approach I won't use it. Consider cutting your thumb, you won't use it because every time you do it hurts, so you consciously don't pick up things with it. As time passes it heals and though you may still avoid using it but accidentally you might, and since it doesn't hurt any more that "fear" will go away. Ignore features need to be like that, they should wear off over time. If it starts to wear off and you're still a flaming prick well I'll just ignore you again and this time it'll last longer. Eventually it'll reach a threshold where I won't hear from you again unless you make some complete 180 in opinion (which would require some intelligence on the filters part).
Oh well I'll keep dreaming (and sorting through the crap) until then.
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It's already in progress as per John Carmac's 5-19-99 plan file:
A quote from Andrew Kimpton, the fellow doing the BeOS port (from an email to the BeUserTalk Mailing list 5-28-99):
Quake 2 has been released (gotta have a 3dfx video card though). Genki's shiped but the buzz is Q3 won't be released until Be's OpenGL supports multitexturing.
Board games have been a very popular genre back though the ages. With all the technical advances (ie plastic pieces, printed money, n-sided dice) the premise remains essentially the same. How much longer do you expect the genre to be popular?
Sorry about missing the first one that was my bad. My only excuse is I was too lazy to look through 150+ posts for what turned out to be mostly the same argument.
I did see the second thread and I think even with the correction to your typo you're still very wrong. I'd venture to say that most people who are vegan are in better health than the majority of people who eat meat. Anyone who's going to be vegan for any length of time has to care about what they eat, they choose not to eat the majority of the junkfood most people consume, fast food, candy, soda, etc.
Sorry to nitpick but I'd just like to see some of the common vegan/vegitarian myths disaperar. As you can see from the Walden quote they same myths have been around for quite a while.
Think about it from a thermodynamics-ish view, to get one pound of beef it takes 10 pounds of grain (this is a statistic I heard long ago, I'm assuming it's validity for the sake of argument, feel free to correct me). That 10 pounds of grain could have fed a bunch more people, more nutritiously, than the pound of beef.
Now come up with the pseudo-math of suffering, assuming that all suffering is equal. You first kill the wheat (some very big number of plants die) which is quite a lot of suffering to be sure. The wheat is then fed to a cow, which is killed and also suffers quite a bit. Well if you'd just fed the grain to the people (never having raised the cow for slaughter) only the wheat dies. For a 600 pound cow that's 6000 pounds of grain, 600 pounds of beef will feed quite a few people but 6000 pounds of grain will feed more people for longer. Feel free to do the pseudo-math for feeding people only beef, a lot more grain dies and then you kill the cows. Eating only grain (or vegetables) causes less suffering. I met a guy who's goal was to prevent suffering on all levels his diet consisted of fruit and nuts, and he'd been eating it, healthfully I might add for twenty something years.
I'm curious what caused your belief that vegans are by nature sick. Did you have a friend who just one day decided to stop eating dairy? They probably didn't do any research about proper nutrition. I know people who have been vegan for years and I know people who have tried it for weeks. It's all about eating properly, something most people don't do anyway.
I get a kick from this quote from Walden by Henry David Thoreau:
The major problem I see between software doing the filtering and (as one clever reader put it) wetware is that software rules aren't flexible. It's a given that things change, authors have changes of hart, flamers burn out, and hopefully script kiddies grow up. Ignore software doesn't take this into account, once I've ignored you, even if you have a complete change of heart and are coming up with truly insightful things, I won't know because I'm still ignoring you.
In my subject I said it's not natural, until the software is modeled after a more biological approach I won't use it. Consider cutting your thumb, you won't use it because every time you do it hurts, so you consciously don't pick up things with it. As time passes it heals and though you may still avoid using it but accidentally you might, and since it doesn't hurt any more that "fear" will go away. Ignore features need to be like that, they should wear off over time. If it starts to wear off and you're still a flaming prick well I'll just ignore you again and this time it'll last longer. Eventually it'll reach a threshold where I won't hear from you again unless you make some complete 180 in opinion (which would require some intelligence on the filters part).
Oh well I'll keep dreaming (and sorting through the crap) until then.