Question... Are these 'secret inaudables' also on the CDs themselves?
If so, what happens when I buy a CD, get tired of it and sell it to a used CD store, which turns around and sells it to someone else, and they distribute 10,000 copies of it?
Two years ago, he was against using the Stratigic Oil Reserve, but it an election year, he's all for it.
In his book, Earth in the Balance, he advocates raising the Federal Gas Tax to such a point where no one drives, yet because it's an election year, he changes his mind.
Gore also has advocated moving all chemical companies out of the US, to prevent their pollution.... Of the US. Of course, this won't help the rest of the world, because the US has some of the most strict environmental laws.
And now, in an attempt to keep this slightly on topic... Of course Al Gore's against violence on the internet. He invented it, after all....
Only now have they started their journey towards fixing the nefarious bugs in RH7.
As has been said before, the release of 7.0 by RH was quite probably a marketing decision. Was it a good one as far as the programmers/linux geeks are concerned?
Probably not.
But that doesn't matter. What matters is that they are correcting the existing issues in a timely fashon. Yes, I agree, some of them shouldn't have been in there at all, but that's life.
As the old saying goes, when life gives you lemons, make lemonade.
And as the new saying goes, when RH gives you a buggy kernel, patch it, and recompile. Just let everyone else know what you did.
Christ. This is like an extension of the usual slashdot 'gimme' mentality -- 'Gimme life insurance even though I know I'm going to die early and require you to pay it all out'.
Which begs the question, what if you don't know? I have a couple of friends who were adopted. They don't know, and haven't been able to find out who their birth parents are; consequently, when they are asked by insurance companies if there is any history of cancer, or whatever, in their family, they answer that they don't know. And because of this, a couple insurance companies wanted to raise their rates, or deny them coverage... They got lucky, tho... They found an agent who was an adoptee himself, and he cut through the BS for them...
The fact is that if you've had a DNA test and there's no problem then you will be getting an advantage - companies will be more likely to insure you at a much cheaper rate.
And if there is a problem, say a genetic indicator which shows you more likely to develop cancer, then you will either have higher rates, or be denied coverage.
Remember, we don't have control over what our genetic makeup is - much to the average teenager's delight, it really is their parents fault (and their grandparents, etc).
And a pair of mirrorshades for viewing.... Game controls built into the pockets... Instead of being bored while on the bus or in class, you can be raising your kill count in Quake...
Stay away from flight sims, tho... That much twitching is bound to cause notice.
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...but all the definitions are based on a term that makes no sense to me at all 'polynomial time'. Can anyone help?
Sure. Given n items to process, they are completed in n raised to some value number of operations. This is also known as O( ) or big-O notation.
For example, a problem with O(n^2) complexity would take on the order of 25 operations for an input size of 5. I say 'on the order of' because big-O notation ignores such things as constants before the polynomial; so problems with complexity of 3*n^2, 7*n^2, and even 10000*n^2 all have a big-O of n^2. This is because for relatively large input sets, the constants don't make that much difference.
The P=NP problem has been the death of many a young researcher because it is such a hard problem and there are many subtleties involved in such a proof. Every year there are genuinely smart people who propose a proof one way or another and it requires a significant amount of peer review and analysis to spot the mistake in their proof.
Yep. I'm one of them (graph colorization, which is why this article interested me). Never submitted my work for review, though, cause I don't understand why, or if, it works. I just don't have the graph theory background.
All I know is I have something that looks like it works, it gives correct answers on the, admittedly, small subset of graphs I've tested it on, I just can't prove it.
And, damn, don't I wish I could prove it, one way or the other... If I could prove it wrong, then I could stop working on the damn thing...:)
Gamefan is getting screwed as much as anyone else- Express.com bought Gamefan erroniously and doesn't even want it
Ok, how does a company buy something erroneously? I mean, I can see how an individual can do this, as I have multiple copies of the same book, but I don't quite get this one...
I wish that they had waited two more months and released Redhat 7.0 with a more reliable installation program, Linux 2.4 and KDE 2.0. But they will probably have to fix these defects with the release of RedHat 7.1.
Probably another case of the marketing wankers pushing something out the door before it was ready. Don't they realize yet that putting out an incomplete and buggy release hurts their rep more than having it come out a couple months later?
By your own "admission", eh? Sorry, you've revealed otherwise elsewhere in this thread.
You assume I have some reason to lie to you. I don't. You aren't worth the effort.
I also hated it. That's why I went back to programming and am now making less that I was before. But at least I'm doing something I like.
You like it because of the feeling of superiority it brings you. "Anybody can do marketing, but nearly nobody can do programming, so I'm better than that."
No... I never said anything about why I liked it. You're assuming again. It was just that I wasn't happy in marketing. I didn't have anything in common with my coworkers, I didn't like my boss, and the office had this ugly peach wallpaper. (Though that last was hardly the breaking point.)
Not anybody can do marketing, period.
Then please explain why business is where all the washouts from 'technical' majors end up? Most of them in marketing??
Your characterization of the noble science of marketing as "90% basic math and bullshit skills" just shows you unability to grasp it.
Ok, maybe not the standard defination of basic math, but my defination. I've taken high level Statistics courses, Numerical Linear Algebra, four semesters of Calculus (including Vector Calc), and Differential Equations. Anything below Diff. Eq. is basic math to me.
And as far as marketing being a noble science, let us take that apart, shall we?
'Noble' - can't say I usually consider any profession to be noble, with the possible exception of medical professionals or social workers.
'Science' - Hmmm... Wait, let me check... Nope, none of the Business Majors on the local campus give a BS for their degrees, just BAs. That would be Bachelor of Arts, in case you missed it.
Your preference for a programming job, and your dismissal of marketing as "trivial" just proves you have the Slashdot Syndrome (also known as the "IANAL but I can program, so here's some advice" syndrome).
No... My preferance for a programming job over a marketing job merely shows that I prefer programming over marketing. My prefered job, Deep Space Explorer, doesn't exist yet.
And I never refered to marketing as 'trivial', which your quotations would seem to indicate. This all started because I say I would rather have a tech person than a marketing person. And as you seem to be a marketing person, I now have another reason why.
NecroPuppy -- Just another example of Slashdot Arrogance.
Yet another case of Slashdot Arrogance, the belief that because one is good at computer, one is automatically smart enough to do anything else. You are obviously no good for marketing, or for law, for that matter.
Yet another case of Eladio arrogance. Or is that ignorance? With you it's so hard to tell.:)
I've done marketing. I was rather good at it. I also hated it. That's why I went back to programming and am now making less that I was before. But at least I'm doing something I like. And I don't have an incipient ulcer anymore.
90% of marketing is basic math skills and a good ability to bullshit. I have both. (As can be seen by my current karma rating.)
And as for law, I never said I was good at law. I just happen to know some, know where to look up the rest, and have five or six people readily at hand to give actual professional opinions on it.
NecroPuppy ---
Godot called. He said he'd be late.
When you get a true blue, Intel Inside processor, you are assured of a) having received the best technology,
That's debateable. For the longest time people bought IBM computers because of the brand, and the thought that they were the best around. Then people realized that they could get the same thing for much less by going with an 'off-brand' like Dell or Gateway.
Of course, now Dell and Gateway are two of the major brands, and they put together the overpriced systems.
b) that the company that sold your processor will be around for many years,
An assumption, and given the tech field of the last couple of years, not necessarily a good one. Given the speed of the 'game' out there, it's possible for Intel to make a couple of bad decisions and be belly-up by this time next year. Now, do I think that this is likely? No. But it is possible.
Of course, it's also possible for an AC to make a calm, rational post. Haven't seen one of those either...
c) that your processor will be the standard (if the AMD offerings behave differently due to a design error, AMD is the one in the wrong, not the other way around!), that you can get the latest technology that everybody will cloning the earliest, and many such advantages.
I've been using an AMD chip for over a year. The only times I've had any issues with my machine have been because Windows didn't like something.
(Ok, I never really did understand why MM:VII wouldn't run from my C drive, but did run from my D drive...)
Now, I realize that this isn't necessarily indicitive of AMD performance in general, but they do put out a comparative product at a more competitive price.
The higher price also pays for the incredibly talented marketing crew that informs you of all these factors that g**k websites such as the one linked in this story neglect, so you have a chance of not getting screwed over in your choice by unreliable or incomplete data such as the cited in the linked article.
I'd rather pay for tech people that marketing wankers any day... After all, anyone can do marketing.... All you need is a smoke machine, some mirrors, a pair of hip waders, and a shovel.
Slashdot g**ks, however, seem to be massively oblivious to these factors, due to their ideological commitments, aversion to the science of marketing and irrational sympathy for the underdog.
Hmmm... I can't tell if this is sarcasm, or you just being bitter about something.
*shrug*
NecroPuppy ---
Godot called. He said he'd be late.
So what does this mean? If somebody writes "The US government must be brought down" in an email then deletes it, and 6 months and a day later the US government isn't brought down, but someone using undelete accidently dredges it up, they shouldn't be accused of a crime, but if its less than 6 months when this is discovered then they should.
Actually, it isn't a crime either way, as there is no law against sedition in the US.
You can talk about bringing down the government all you want, and it isn't a crime. However, that talk could be used as evidence against you if you were to actually do something.
Case in point, the Unibomber Manifesto. If he had just written the thing, it would have been shrugged off; sure, he may have gone into the FBI's 'nut' file, but there wouldn't have been charges filed. But since he did blow things up, it could be used against him.
NecroPuppy ---
Godot called. He said he'd be late.
Errr, IANAL either (Surprise!), but I'm pretty sure they can't nail you for destroying evidence if you shred your files BEFORE they come to arrest you. It doesn't become evidence until then.
No, then it's obstruction of justice.
NecroPuppy ---
Godot called. He said he'd be late.
Are you telling me the entire legal industry (police, courts etc) will just ignore evidence of crimes just because its 6 months and one day old?
Laughable, just laughable. This will not take off in any country in the world, ever.
Actually, if such a law were passed, then yes, it would be enforced. Improperly gathered and mishandled evidence is probably the number one cause for dismissals in court cases.
There are long standing rules of evidence, and most judges don't like them being ignored.
That being said, I still don't think any law like this will be passed, as much as I may want it to.
NecroPuppy ---
Godot called. He said he'd be late.
One instance usually isn't hate speech, unless it's a blanket statement, which could be argued under egregious behavior, and therefor not protected.
What about criminals conspiring to break the law - their emails to each other are inadmissable after 6 months?
The tone of this, seems to apply more towards civil than criminal law, but again, such criminal activity could also be considered extenuating circumstances.
I personally think it's a good idea, one whose time has come. But, as others have said, it probably won't be implemented.
NecroPuppy ---
Godot called. He said he'd be late.
Slashdot Mirror
A digital camera in the nose? A wireless LAN connection?
Even better than Furbies... I can see that the FBI will have to update their banned equipment list for Federal Buildings.
Now someone needs to strap a Furby onto an Aibo 2, and send them into an FBI office or SS post.
Of course, you'd have to plan on being talked to for a while... These people have no sense of humor...
Question... Are these 'secret inaudables' also on the CDs themselves?
If so, what happens when I buy a CD, get tired of it and sell it to a used CD store, which turns around and sells it to someone else, and they distribute 10,000 copies of it?
Am I the one who gets hammered?
And here I was, sitting in my cube this morning, thinking about how much fun it would be to have this sucker cracked and not tell anyone....
Until it was released...
Gore's superior intelligence
And superior turnarounds.
Two years ago, he was against using the Stratigic Oil Reserve, but it an election year, he's all for it.
In his book, Earth in the Balance, he advocates raising the Federal Gas Tax to such a point where no one drives, yet because it's an election year, he changes his mind.
Gore also has advocated moving all chemical companies out of the US, to prevent their pollution.... Of the US. Of course, this won't help the rest of the world, because the US has some of the most strict environmental laws.
And now, in an attempt to keep this slightly on topic... Of course Al Gore's against violence on the internet. He invented it, after all....
Only now have they started their journey towards fixing the nefarious bugs in RH7.
As has been said before, the release of 7.0 by RH was quite probably a marketing decision. Was it a good one as far as the programmers/linux geeks are concerned?
Probably not.
But that doesn't matter. What matters is that they are correcting the existing issues in a timely fashon. Yes, I agree, some of them shouldn't have been in there at all, but that's life.
As the old saying goes, when life gives you lemons, make lemonade.
And as the new saying goes, when RH gives you a buggy kernel, patch it, and recompile. Just let everyone else know what you did.
Christ. This is like an extension of the usual slashdot 'gimme' mentality -- 'Gimme life insurance even though I know I'm going to die early and require you to pay it all out'.
Which begs the question, what if you don't know? I have a couple of friends who were adopted. They don't know, and haven't been able to find out who their birth parents are; consequently, when they are asked by insurance companies if there is any history of cancer, or whatever, in their family, they answer that they don't know. And because of this, a couple insurance companies wanted to raise their rates, or deny them coverage... They got lucky, tho... They found an agent who was an adoptee himself, and he cut through the BS for them...
Not everyone has that advantage...
The fact is that if you've had a DNA test and there's no problem then you will be getting an advantage - companies will be more likely to insure you at a much cheaper rate.
And if there is a problem, say a genetic indicator which shows you more likely to develop cancer, then you will either have higher rates, or be denied coverage.
Remember, we don't have control over what our genetic makeup is - much to the average teenager's delight, it really is their parents fault (and their grandparents, etc).
Possible denial of coverage over something the person had no control over... How lovely...
I'm not surprised, tho... I just wonder how long it will be before this hits the US.
What do you want to wear today?
Microsoft Pants were unable to negotiage Socks connection.
Shutting down. Please remove and reinstall.
I guess I don't understand the 'coolness'
Ummm... Well, you can look kinda like a garage sale Borg without the nifty laser weapons...
For a couple of years, the stigma attached to these devices will reek stronger than walking dressed up as a Vulcan or Klingon to a Trek convention.
And what stigma would that be? That's expected.
Now try walking into an SCA event as a Klingon...
And a pair of mirrorshades for viewing.... Game controls built into the pockets... Instead of being bored while on the bus or in class, you can be raising your kill count in Quake...
Stay away from flight sims, tho... That much twitching is bound to cause notice.
...but all the definitions are based on a term that makes no sense to me at all 'polynomial time'. Can anyone help?
Sure. Given n items to process, they are completed in n raised to some value number of operations. This is also known as O( ) or big-O notation.
For example, a problem with O(n^2) complexity would take on the order of 25 operations for an input size of 5. I say 'on the order of' because big-O notation ignores such things as constants before the polynomial; so problems with complexity of 3*n^2, 7*n^2, and even 10000*n^2 all have a big-O of n^2. This is because for relatively large input sets, the constants don't make that much difference.
Does that help?
The P=NP problem has been the death of many a young researcher because it is such a hard problem and there are many subtleties involved in such a proof. Every year there are genuinely smart people who propose a proof one way or another and it requires a significant amount of peer review and analysis to spot the mistake in their proof.
:)
Yep. I'm one of them (graph colorization, which is why this article interested me). Never submitted my work for review, though, cause I don't understand why, or if, it works. I just don't have the graph theory background.
All I know is I have something that looks like it works, it gives correct answers on the, admittedly, small subset of graphs I've tested it on, I just can't prove it.
And, damn, don't I wish I could prove it, one way or the other... If I could prove it wrong, then I could stop working on the damn thing...
Gamefan is getting screwed as much as anyone else- Express.com bought Gamefan erroniously and doesn't even want it
Ok, how does a company buy something erroneously? I mean, I can see how an individual can do this, as I have multiple copies of the same book, but I don't quite get this one...
Anyone got details?
I wish that they had waited two more months and released Redhat 7.0 with a more reliable installation program, Linux 2.4 and KDE 2.0. But they will probably have to fix these defects with the release of RedHat 7.1.
Probably another case of the marketing wankers pushing something out the door before it was ready. Don't they realize yet that putting out an incomplete and buggy release hurts their rep more than having it come out a couple months later?
*sigh*
I've done marketing. I was rather good at it.
By your own "admission", eh? Sorry, you've revealed otherwise elsewhere in this thread.
You assume I have some reason to lie to you. I don't. You aren't worth the effort.
I also hated it. That's why I went back to programming and am now making less that I was before. But at least I'm doing something I like.
You like it because of the feeling of superiority it brings you. "Anybody can do marketing, but nearly nobody can do programming, so I'm better than that."
No... I never said anything about why I liked it. You're assuming again. It was just that I wasn't happy in marketing. I didn't have anything in common with my coworkers, I didn't like my boss, and the office had this ugly peach wallpaper. (Though that last was hardly the breaking point.)
Not anybody can do marketing, period.
Then please explain why business is where all the washouts from 'technical' majors end up? Most of them in marketing??
Your characterization of the noble science of marketing as "90% basic math and bullshit skills" just shows you unability to grasp it.
Ok, maybe not the standard defination of basic math, but my defination. I've taken high level Statistics courses, Numerical Linear Algebra, four semesters of Calculus (including Vector Calc), and Differential Equations. Anything below Diff. Eq. is basic math to me.
And as far as marketing being a noble science, let us take that apart, shall we?
'Noble' - can't say I usually consider any profession to be noble, with the possible exception of medical professionals or social workers.
'Science' - Hmmm... Wait, let me check... Nope, none of the Business Majors on the local campus give a BS for their degrees, just BAs. That would be Bachelor of Arts, in case you missed it.
Your preference for a programming job, and your dismissal of marketing as "trivial" just proves you have the Slashdot Syndrome (also known as the "IANAL but I can program, so here's some advice" syndrome).
No... My preferance for a programming job over a marketing job merely shows that I prefer programming over marketing. My prefered job, Deep Space Explorer, doesn't exist yet.
And I never refered to marketing as 'trivial', which your quotations would seem to indicate. This all started because I say I would rather have a tech person than a marketing person. And as you seem to be a marketing person, I now have another reason why.
NecroPuppy -- Just another example of Slashdot Arrogance.
Yet another case of Slashdot Arrogance, the belief that because one is good at computer, one is automatically smart enough to do anything else. You are obviously no good for marketing, or for law, for that matter.
:)
Yet another case of Eladio arrogance. Or is that ignorance? With you it's so hard to tell.
I've done marketing. I was rather good at it. I also hated it. That's why I went back to programming and am now making less that I was before. But at least I'm doing something I like. And I don't have an incipient ulcer anymore.
90% of marketing is basic math skills and a good ability to bullshit. I have both. (As can be seen by my current karma rating.)
And as for law, I never said I was good at law. I just happen to know some, know where to look up the rest, and have five or six people readily at hand to give actual professional opinions on it.
NecroPuppy
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Godot called. He said he'd be late.
When you get a true blue, Intel Inside processor, you are assured of a) having received the best technology,
That's debateable. For the longest time people bought IBM computers because of the brand, and the thought that they were the best around. Then people realized that they could get the same thing for much less by going with an 'off-brand' like Dell or Gateway.
Of course, now Dell and Gateway are two of the major brands, and they put together the overpriced systems.
b) that the company that sold your processor will be around for many years,
An assumption, and given the tech field of the last couple of years, not necessarily a good one. Given the speed of the 'game' out there, it's possible for Intel to make a couple of bad decisions and be belly-up by this time next year. Now, do I think that this is likely? No. But it is possible.
Of course, it's also possible for an AC to make a calm, rational post. Haven't seen one of those either...
c) that your processor will be the standard (if the AMD offerings behave differently due to a design error, AMD is the one in the wrong, not the other way around!), that you can get the latest technology that everybody will cloning the earliest, and many such advantages.
I've been using an AMD chip for over a year. The only times I've had any issues with my machine have been because Windows didn't like something.
(Ok, I never really did understand why MM:VII wouldn't run from my C drive, but did run from my D drive...)
Now, I realize that this isn't necessarily indicitive of AMD performance in general, but they do put out a comparative product at a more competitive price.
The higher price also pays for the incredibly talented marketing crew that informs you of all these factors that g**k websites such as the one linked in this story neglect, so you have a chance of not getting screwed over in your choice by unreliable or incomplete data such as the cited in the linked article.
I'd rather pay for tech people that marketing wankers any day... After all, anyone can do marketing.... All you need is a smoke machine, some mirrors, a pair of hip waders, and a shovel.
Slashdot g**ks, however, seem to be massively oblivious to these factors, due to their ideological commitments, aversion to the science of marketing and irrational sympathy for the underdog.
Hmmm... I can't tell if this is sarcasm, or you just being bitter about something.
*shrug*
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making a better processor in terms of cost performance?
Yep. That is, if they want to retain market share.
Of course, this does make the 1-GHz and sub 1-GHz processors more affordable... In another couple of months, I may be able to afford one.
NecroPuppy
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Godot called. He said he'd be late.
So you're allowed one sexually harrassing email per six months as long as no-one complains!?
Actually, that would be considered a pattern, and therefor the proposal would apply.
Cases where an e-mail or whatever would not be held against someone, would be where it was a one time occurance or incident.
(By the way, I'm not racist... With my mixed ethnic background, I can't afford to be; it would be like biting myself in the ass.)
NecroPuppy
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Godot called. He said he'd be late.
(If you don't get it, don't worry. You never will.)
So what does this mean? If somebody writes "The US government must be brought down" in an email then deletes it, and 6 months and a day later the US government isn't brought down, but someone using undelete accidently dredges it up, they shouldn't be accused of a crime, but if its less than 6 months when this is discovered then they should.
Actually, it isn't a crime either way, as there is no law against sedition in the US.
You can talk about bringing down the government all you want, and it isn't a crime. However, that talk could be used as evidence against you if you were to actually do something.
Case in point, the Unibomber Manifesto. If he had just written the thing, it would have been shrugged off; sure, he may have gone into the FBI's 'nut' file, but there wouldn't have been charges filed. But since he did blow things up, it could be used against him.
NecroPuppy
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Godot called. He said he'd be late.
Errr, IANAL either (Surprise!), but I'm pretty sure they can't nail you for destroying evidence if you shred your files BEFORE they come to arrest you. It doesn't become evidence until then.
No, then it's obstruction of justice.
NecroPuppy
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Godot called. He said he'd be late.
Are you telling me the entire legal industry (police, courts etc) will just ignore evidence of crimes just because its 6 months and one day old?
Laughable, just laughable. This will not take off in any country in the world, ever.
Actually, if such a law were passed, then yes, it would be enforced. Improperly gathered and mishandled evidence is probably the number one cause for dismissals in court cases.
There are long standing rules of evidence, and most judges don't like them being ignored.
That being said, I still don't think any law like this will be passed, as much as I may want it to.
NecroPuppy
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Godot called. He said he'd be late.
What about hate speech - even one instance?
One instance usually isn't hate speech, unless it's a blanket statement, which could be argued under egregious behavior, and therefor not protected.
What about criminals conspiring to break the law - their emails to each other are inadmissable after 6 months?
The tone of this, seems to apply more towards civil than criminal law, but again, such criminal activity could also be considered extenuating circumstances.
I personally think it's a good idea, one whose time has come. But, as others have said, it probably won't be implemented.
NecroPuppy
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Godot called. He said he'd be late.