This crap really pisses me off. We've bastardized the whole intent of web pages for all of this new CRAP that we dont really need. It just _LOOKS_ pretty? WTF is wrong with this? Doesn't anyone else see this like fucking lock in? How long after it comes out will we have to use NS7? or 8? HOW LONG IS IT GOING TO BE UNTIL WE ALL HAVE TO USE IE? This is bullshit. I dont know about the rest of you, but needing to have a P3 or an athlon just to view a fucking web page is absurd.
Anyway, sorry to make this such a long message, but I dont have a web server I would be willing to put up to the slashdot effect:P. So heres a message I wrote to wasp@webstandards.org:
WaSP,
I am writing to you in hopes that you will reconsider your position on your "Web standards" browser upgrading project.
Since the incarnation of web browsers, people have been always been pushing for "the next new thing" to be incorporated and integrated into web browsers. The current trend seems to be toward visual and audio content delivered within the web browser. We now have things such as Flash introductions, streaming video, audio, Javascript, Style Sheets, and countless other 'features' that have been added as standards within browsers.
The browsers of today are more bloated implementing but a fraction of these 'features' than their counterparts from five years ago could have even dreamed to include. None of these were the original intent of web browsers, nor could they even be imagined at the design and implementation of the protocols used in their delivery. These protocols have been bastardized for 'the new media' as so-called visionaries call it, and we are starting to heavily feel the problems this raises.
My point being that fighting to force people to upgrade and further load their systems with recent versions of these large browsers is a large detriment to the entire community. The 'web browser' should be, and was intended to be, used to convey information in the form of a text and some images in an easy to format and standardized way. Loading all of this 'new media' crap onto web browsers only hurts new users.
It is not time to create and enforce new standards for webpage creation and viewing. The time has come to stop putting layer upon layer of junk into our web browsers. A new standard needs to be introduced, for new media, audio/visual communications, embedded java applets, and whatever else can be thought up. I would hope you could see this as well, and may consider aiding organizations in the development of a new such protocol, and not aiding the initiative some large corporations have to lock-in users to specific infrastructures.
I thank you for your time and hope you consider these ideas.
Anyone else agree with me? Maybe someone could start some sort of online petition to resist this crap and let us use normal browsers like lynx.
as a 16 year old, i'd say you are for the most part right
personally, i dont like the beatles to much, but thats probably because the only drugs i do is the occasional pot smoking
the new bands you speak of (N'sync, britney spears, etc) do suck REALLY badly. i dont get how any1 could like them/respect their music either.
There are some good new bands tho.. bands i personally like are fear factory, rage against the machine, praga kahn, lords of acid, orbital.. others. All those bands are slightly older than the little pop bands you speak of. a pretty good rule is usually 'if they are own tv, they suck'.. although i dont watch tv anymore, heh:P
also, i like a lot of older bands. led zeppelin, the doors, pink floyd.. amazingly good music.
i find i'm a small minority though.. most people love those pop bands, buy all their music..
one thing i have noticed among those people is that, not that i have much of a right to judge them, but they seem very immature.::shrug::, my opinion, at least...
hope this answers your question.
Sorry, it really was a bad idea to tell people to goto freshmeat and do a search, heh.
I uploaded the 'command.txt' file here, so you can go there to read it.
It's prolly pretty slow, but it works... give it a little while.
I have hated graphical user interfaces for a long time.. and then I came across a document that put my reason into a well formatted document..
goto freshmeat, and search for "butt".. its some program that has to do w/ like speech synthesis or some other audio thing, but thats not what I care about it for.
In that download, there is a file called 'command.txt', i believe it is. It discusses, as I said, why command line interfaces will always be better than GUIs.
I dont know about the mac.. but doesn't the napster client allow u to select a data port? wonder if u could just set that to 80 and have things work...
worth a shot
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This crap really pisses me off. We've bastardized the whole intent of web pages for all of this new CRAP that we dont really need. It just _LOOKS_ pretty? WTF is wrong with this? Doesn't anyone else see this like fucking lock in? How long after it comes out will we have to use NS7? or 8? HOW LONG IS IT GOING TO BE UNTIL WE ALL HAVE TO USE IE? This is bullshit. I dont know about the rest of you, but needing to have a P3 or an athlon just to view a fucking web page is absurd. :P. So heres a message I wrote to wasp@webstandards.org:
Anyway, sorry to make this such a long message, but I dont have a web server I would be willing to put up to the slashdot effect
WaSP,
I am writing to you in hopes that you will reconsider your position on your "Web standards" browser upgrading project.
Since the incarnation of web browsers, people have been always been pushing for "the next new thing" to be incorporated and integrated into web browsers. The current trend seems to be toward visual and audio content delivered within the web browser. We now have things such as Flash introductions, streaming video, audio, Javascript, Style Sheets, and countless other 'features' that have been added as standards within browsers.
The browsers of today are more bloated implementing but a fraction of these 'features' than their counterparts from five years ago could have even dreamed to include. None of these were the original intent of web browsers, nor could they even be imagined at the design and implementation of the protocols used in their delivery. These protocols have been bastardized for 'the new media' as so-called visionaries call it, and we are starting to heavily feel the problems this raises.
My point being that fighting to force people to upgrade and further load their systems with recent versions of these large browsers is a large detriment to the entire community. The 'web browser' should be, and was intended to be, used to convey information in the form of a text and some images in an easy to format and standardized way. Loading all of this 'new media' crap onto web browsers only hurts new users.
It is not time to create and enforce new standards for webpage creation and viewing. The time has come to stop putting layer upon layer of junk into our web browsers. A new standard needs to be introduced, for new media, audio/visual communications, embedded java applets, and whatever else can be thought up. I would hope you could see this as well, and may consider aiding organizations in the development of a new such protocol, and not aiding the initiative some large corporations have to lock-in users to specific infrastructures.
I thank you for your time and hope you consider these ideas.
Anyone else agree with me? Maybe someone could start some sort of online petition to resist this crap and let us use normal browsers like lynx.
true.. you cant really judge people ur age until years after.. :P
but they just seem *so* stupid!
as a 16 year old, i'd say you are for the most part right :P
::shrug::, my opinion, at least...
personally, i dont like the beatles to much, but thats probably because the only drugs i do is the occasional pot smoking
the new bands you speak of (N'sync, britney spears, etc) do suck REALLY badly. i dont get how any1 could like them/respect their music either.
There are some good new bands tho.. bands i personally like are fear factory, rage against the machine, praga kahn, lords of acid, orbital.. others. All those bands are slightly older than the little pop bands you speak of. a pretty good rule is usually 'if they are own tv, they suck'.. although i dont watch tv anymore, heh
also, i like a lot of older bands. led zeppelin, the doors, pink floyd.. amazingly good music.
i find i'm a small minority though.. most people love those pop bands, buy all their music..
one thing i have noticed among those people is that, not that i have much of a right to judge them, but they seem very immature.
hope this answers your question.
Sorry, it really was a bad idea to tell people to goto freshmeat and do a search, heh.
:P.
I uploaded the 'command.txt' file here, so you can go there to read it.
It's prolly pretty slow, but it works... give it a little while.
Sorry about the delays
I have hated graphical user interfaces for a long time.. and then I came across a document that put my reason into a well formatted document..
goto freshmeat, and search for "butt".. its some program that has to do w/ like speech synthesis or some other audio thing, but thats not what I care about it for.
In that download, there is a file called 'command.txt', i believe it is. It discusses, as I said, why command line interfaces will always be better than GUIs.
I dont know about the mac.. but doesn't the napster client allow u to select a data port?
wonder if u could just set that to 80 and have things work... worth a shot