thats very true....
makes me curious about two things:
I havent heard of using plutonium in a reactor, what sort of reactor?
and just how much urainum is there, as in if we switch to a nuke based electric system how long will it actualy last?
actualy I dont give a flying f*** about "evil capitalist bastards" it just becomes rather obvious that something is wrong when its almost routine for billions of gallons of oil to be "accidently" spilled into the ocean, or burned into basicly dozzons of poisionous gasses when there are things that havent even been tried or are being squashed by large auto companys, such as good carborators that were invented and outlawed back in the early 60's
in an internal combustion engine the carborator injects gas into the piston in the form of a fine mist or vapor, its still liquid, there are ways of making them that inject it a a gas, not a mist or vapor, this causes it to burn less at much higher temptures, which have litle or no exhaugst besides carbon, something that dosent heur much and might even be usefull as a lubricant...
and as for the economy, it will continue do do exactly what it has allways done, go up, down, crash, and recover, people will continue to buy things and will continue to work for a living untill pigs fly in a frozen hell. replacing oil with something else may make some companys go under, but thats just too bad, they should adapt or die off, as for the people working for them squaking about their jobs, learn a new trade and get a new job, your company and its product sucked anyway
hell, if I was the head of exxon I would allready be prepared for running out of oil, and be ready to switch to selling bottles of clean air, and my employies would be ready too because I would have the forsight to train them.
"See what happens when they disappear."
no big deal, things will continue as though they were never here to begin with, aside from the mess they left and the whole new industry of cleaning up after and replaceing them with something better. capitalisim hasent anything to do with it, oil is just what happened to be convienient and at the moment still seems to be, that however is going to and has to change, and being a tree hugger has nothing to do with it.
heh...
FUD!
sometimes its justified, in the united states there are laws dictating how nuke plants are to be constructed, they were written in the fiftys and are so completely obsolete its astounding.
nuke plants are potentialy just as safe as any other fuel source but we have failed to wade through our own leagl system and arive at a point where the tech can advance.... the military being exempt from these laws has very nice, clean and safe nuke plants powering all sorts of stuff, (lets forgett about the russian sub for a moment)
aircraft cariers go for about 20 years before needing to be refueled.... the question is what are they doing with the leftovers? and what are they going to do when they have used all the urainium?
one of the most amazing sources of energy has yet to be harvested: wave and tidal motion in the ocean, the current between Keywest and Flemming Key just south of florida (for example)are going about 5-8 knots
and they NEVER stop! at the southern tip of flemming key there is a sewer treatment plant so nobody wants to live or hang out their anyway, so why not drop in a series of turbines and make electricty? ecologicly it would be almost totaly impactless, perhaps a bit of mud and silt would get kicked up but it would be minamal compaired to the amount of crap spewed into the air and ocean
by the current power station.
ecologicly it would do squat, fish would swim right past it, the current wouldent diminish much, not that that would matter, keywest has allready killed just about everything in that area already, and the only thing that would have to be replaced is the moving parts of the turbines themselves...
ok, ok, I will get to the point:
if we use the tides etc, to generate electrisity, we can use that power to make hydrogen, freeze nitrogen, power citys and still have lots left over for what ever we need it for... ooooh! electric cars, busses, trains, hell, motercycles!
hmmm you could make electric foundrys for building turbines, electric trucks and boats for getting them where you need them.
oh... one last thing, is it hydrogen or alchol that produces water as its byproduct? I seem to be confused on that point....
gee wizz!
how sad, oil producing countrys going belly up!
thats an awefull idea!
nitrogen is what most of the atmosphere is made up of allready, I dought that we would do much other than to suck some out and freeze it while slowly putting it back as we go bombing around looking for work after our job at OPEC fizzles out.
what I am not sure about is how it would work logisticly:
- its not exactly easy to turn nitrogen into a liquid, it requires (cough) energy....
- liquid nitrogen is MUCH smaller then "room" tempture nitrogen, and it requires (ahem, scuse me) more energy to keep it cold which you would have to do in order to store it, basicly as your car sits in the driveway it would be warming up and expanding, so you would need a vent, that makes it a rather perishable fule product...
- a good pile up on an LA freeway would be horrendous, car goes smack into another and its fuel tank pops, freezes part of the driver who than shatters into ity bity chunks which than thaw into goo... yuck
there are other interesting ideas, like hydrogen fuel cells, where they inject hydrogen into porus blocks of metel which keep it from being explocive.... the byproduct of burning hydrogen (if I remember correctly) is water, the tire industry will LOVE this, tires would be more expencive as the roads would allways be wet!
oh... tires are made out of oil.... how ironic...
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thats very true.... makes me curious about two things: I havent heard of using plutonium in a reactor, what sort of reactor? and just how much urainum is there, as in if we switch to a nuke based electric system how long will it actualy last?
you car fails because of nitrogen emmisions???? are you sure its not carbon monoxide? nitrogen isint smog, its air. maybe I am confused.... am I?
actualy I dont give a flying f*** about "evil capitalist bastards" it just becomes rather obvious that something is wrong when its almost routine for billions of gallons of oil to be "accidently" spilled into the ocean, or burned into basicly dozzons of poisionous gasses when there are things that havent even been tried or are being squashed by large auto companys, such as good carborators that were invented and outlawed back in the early 60's in an internal combustion engine the carborator injects gas into the piston in the form of a fine mist or vapor, its still liquid, there are ways of making them that inject it a a gas, not a mist or vapor, this causes it to burn less at much higher temptures, which have litle or no exhaugst besides carbon, something that dosent heur much and might even be usefull as a lubricant... and as for the economy, it will continue do do exactly what it has allways done, go up, down, crash, and recover, people will continue to buy things and will continue to work for a living untill pigs fly in a frozen hell. replacing oil with something else may make some companys go under, but thats just too bad, they should adapt or die off, as for the people working for them squaking about their jobs, learn a new trade and get a new job, your company and its product sucked anyway hell, if I was the head of exxon I would allready be prepared for running out of oil, and be ready to switch to selling bottles of clean air, and my employies would be ready too because I would have the forsight to train them. "See what happens when they disappear." no big deal, things will continue as though they were never here to begin with, aside from the mess they left and the whole new industry of cleaning up after and replaceing them with something better. capitalisim hasent anything to do with it, oil is just what happened to be convienient and at the moment still seems to be, that however is going to and has to change, and being a tree hugger has nothing to do with it.
heh...
FUD!
sometimes its justified, in the united states there are laws dictating how nuke plants are to be constructed, they were written in the fiftys and are so completely obsolete its astounding.
nuke plants are potentialy just as safe as any other fuel source but we have failed to wade through our own leagl system and arive at a point where the tech can advance.... the military being exempt from these laws has very nice, clean and safe nuke plants powering all sorts of stuff, (lets forgett about the russian sub for a moment)
aircraft cariers go for about 20 years before needing to be refueled.... the question is what are they doing with the leftovers? and what are they going to do when they have used all the urainium?
one of the most amazing sources of energy has yet to be harvested: wave and tidal motion in the ocean, the current between Keywest and Flemming Key just south of florida (for example)are going about 5-8 knots
and they NEVER stop! at the southern tip of flemming key there is a sewer treatment plant so nobody wants to live or hang out their anyway, so why not drop in a series of turbines and make electricty? ecologicly it would be almost totaly impactless, perhaps a bit of mud and silt would get kicked up but it would be minamal compaired to the amount of crap spewed into the air and ocean
by the current power station.
ecologicly it would do squat, fish would swim right past it, the current wouldent diminish much, not that that would matter, keywest has allready killed just about everything in that area already, and the only thing that would have to be replaced is the moving parts of the turbines themselves...
ok, ok, I will get to the point:
if we use the tides etc, to generate electrisity, we can use that power to make hydrogen, freeze nitrogen, power citys and still have lots left over for what ever we need it for... ooooh! electric cars, busses, trains, hell, motercycles!
hmmm you could make electric foundrys for building turbines, electric trucks and boats for getting them where you need them.
oh... one last thing, is it hydrogen or alchol that produces water as its byproduct? I seem to be confused on that point....
and I cant spell for the life of me.... sorry....
gee wizz! how sad, oil producing countrys going belly up! thats an awefull idea! nitrogen is what most of the atmosphere is made up of allready, I dought that we would do much other than to suck some out and freeze it while slowly putting it back as we go bombing around looking for work after our job at OPEC fizzles out. what I am not sure about is how it would work logisticly: - its not exactly easy to turn nitrogen into a liquid, it requires (cough) energy.... - liquid nitrogen is MUCH smaller then "room" tempture nitrogen, and it requires (ahem, scuse me) more energy to keep it cold which you would have to do in order to store it, basicly as your car sits in the driveway it would be warming up and expanding, so you would need a vent, that makes it a rather perishable fule product... - a good pile up on an LA freeway would be horrendous, car goes smack into another and its fuel tank pops, freezes part of the driver who than shatters into ity bity chunks which than thaw into goo... yuck there are other interesting ideas, like hydrogen fuel cells, where they inject hydrogen into porus blocks of metel which keep it from being explocive.... the byproduct of burning hydrogen (if I remember correctly) is water, the tire industry will LOVE this, tires would be more expencive as the roads would allways be wet! oh... tires are made out of oil.... how ironic...