I agree, they're sponging and contributing nothing. Good news blurb today that a Ga. poultry plant that had most of its work force repatrioted to their home countries is now busing in homeless and felons on probation to work.
Any of these guys that can't keep from committing more crimes instead of working for a living, I'm all for repatrioting them to cheap cells in the desert.
I agree with your points over all. I think most do.
All the bums down at the shelter get checks every month...not sure what program. Enough to get by on, with the free bed and meals.
Not an opulent lifestyle, by any stretch, but superior to slavery.
Ok, I have heard of the small check, and I'm also not sure what program that is. The bed and meals are privately run and supported by private contributions for the most part, perhaps a small daily stipend from local welfare for a few weeks for new people, and US citizenship required.
Food is donated, like cereal and donuts in the morning, and volunteers help cook in the evening. The homeless shelter residents wash the dishes and clean up.
There usually is a time limit like six weeks for a homeless shelter, good for once a year, which is based on that temporary local welfare stipend.
All in all, it is a temporary measure to help someone find a more permanent spot, like a room in the Y, but of course many don't want anything more permanent and return to the streets when their six weeks is up.
Definitely not anything resembling sponging off the government.
Personally, I wish that they'd fix the bug that makes Firefox2 think that when you shut down Windows, and restart it 2 years later, it'll offer to `restart session`.
That's not a bug, that's an advertised new feature.
You know, not everyone on the planet is a programmer. I know you find this hard to believe, but it is true. Your comment is arrogant and typical of a lot of programmers that don't feel someone has worth unless they can code.
The concern that it makes itself the default browser is valid but using the word 'hijacking' is a bit strong.
Just FYI from my recent experience, I installed Firefox 2.0 on my clean Win XP Pro and I'm fairly certain Firefox asked if it wanted me to make it the default browser just like all my previous Netscape installs on prior PC's did.
Am I the only one that finds it disturbing that we now have 'Czars' in the United States? It may just be a title, but it may also be a 'repeat it often enough and they believe it' situation.
Along with Homeland. And secret police. and a wall. and big lies to invade a country.
Switch godless to theocracy, and it's like we're in some kind of mirror image parallel Cold War Soviet Union.
Not slam shut, but balance it out with their purchase of our goods/services. The trade bubble we are creating now by lopsided trading is huge and may lead to an ugly poppage that will make the dot-com bubble look tame in comparison.
People are starting to get worried, but political bluster is too little too late.
It will require withdrawing from trade agreements, but we need to act, not hope others will act. We will impose no tarriffs on imports from a country, if we have something approaching a neutral or positive trade balance with them.
For those that sell to us but don't buy nearly as much, we must impose an import tarriff. I suggest the percentage of their trade surplus to our overall trade deficit. China's import tarriff would be 20% and growing, and if it keeps growing, the import tarriff needs to rise faster.
It's not easy, but we need to do it. American foreign subsidiaries would for all intents and purposes be foreign companies, and foreign American subsidiaries would be for all intents and purposes American.
But that's the whole point. Made in USA.
By the same token, we have to expect the same from others. Every country must for their own security have an agricultural and manufacturing base protected from monopolistic foreign imports.
Trade will continue, but to supplement, not supplant. Trade is two way, and when it isn't, we have to make the price of one way more expensive than two way.
The problem is that companies don't want to pay for or wait for fad-of-the-month training, so they want to import them instead.
Why is the import already trained in fad of the month, while Americans allegedly are not? You give imports both technical superiority and at a much lower cost.
The lower cost, not only lower but in virtual indentured servitude, is what making my quarter numbers execs are after.
Oh, you forgot to add that kids in the 50s walked to school everday, even on the weekends, uphill both ways, in the rain, while chased by radioactive gorillas.
but we had our secret decoder rings, so we weren't worried.
If there's a problem, it's that H-1B visas don't necessarily lead to any opportunity to remain permanently in the U.S.
Although I argue against one point, your points are right on. I also don't think those numbers have changed that much in the last 40 years and probably before my time as well.
I teach the three-semester calculus-based freshman physics sequence to a lot of engineering majors to a community college. A lot of these people are intelligent enough to learn the material, but flunk out of physics because of their weak backgrounds.
I would argue that calculus and physics have nothing to do with computer programming. I took neither and have spent a career programming, starting with 8086 assembler for a decade. I've been programming business systems for Fortune 500's since then.
As far as I can tell, calculus and physics formed the foundation of the glass house high priest culture of mainframe programming, and continues in computer science curriculums as make work for mathematician and physicist academics.
It certainly has nothing to do with programming outside of the occasional NASA trajectory algorithm and the like.
I'm sorry - there's just too many things that go wrong when you introduce too many non-native employees into the mix. It just doesn't work. It's not effective. It ALWAYS ends up costing more in the long run.
I agree, and it's as much a national security issue as any other. All goods and services paid for with tax dollars should be mandated to be performed and produced by Americans, or the highest percentage American produced offered in bidding on the government contract.
Let's see... Just open up all of our American corporations so that all of their precious information, applications, systems, networks, etc are built, maintained, controlled by non citizens.
The Romans did it, and look where they... oh wait.
So why is the Bush administration and the Democratic congresspersons so eager to blame US IT workers?
Make that Republican congresspersons. The Bush administration is trying to get this corporate welfare done by the lame duck Republicans before the Democrats take over.
...but at some point we have to confront the dramatic failings of large sections of the K-12 education system.
Americans need to get a grip. Schools never delivered computer programming level intelligence. People smart enough to program computers or build electronic devices didn't get that way from public schooling.
rd
P.S. posted by a 54 year old American career programmer.
So who is Robert Cresanti? He is a former Vice President of Public Policy for the BSA. Yes, that BSA. [lwn.net] Before that, he was the Senior Vice President and General Counsel for the ITAA. [wikipedia.org]
in short, he's a shill for multi-million dollar CEO's and their stock option execs.
We need to import workers to fill the gaps, not because we're not paying IT workers enough, but because there simply AREN'T enough IT workers available in the first place.
If that were true, wouldn't offered salaries go up to at least dot com bubble levels again?
The only issue with Citrix is that you have to have enough servers. You can't run a company of 10,000 people on a bank of 20 servers if they're all using the app at the same time - you need a lot more horsepower.
TFA said they were the largest Citrix server site in the world. It sounds like they've tried server horsepower. Citrix said they told them the implementation architecture was flawed.
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I agree, they're sponging and contributing nothing. Good news blurb today that a Ga. poultry plant that had most of its work force repatrioted to their home countries is now busing in homeless and felons on probation to work.
Any of these guys that can't keep from committing more crimes instead of working for a living, I'm all for repatrioting them to cheap cells in the desert.
I agree with your points over all. I think most do.
rd
All the bums down at the shelter get checks every month...not sure what program. Enough to get by on, with the free bed and meals.
Not an opulent lifestyle, by any stretch, but superior to slavery.
Ok, I have heard of the small check, and I'm also not sure what program that is. The bed and meals are privately run and supported by private contributions for the most part, perhaps a small daily stipend from local welfare for a few weeks for new people, and US citizenship required.
Food is donated, like cereal and donuts in the morning, and volunteers help cook in the evening. The homeless shelter residents wash the dishes and clean up.
There usually is a time limit like six weeks for a homeless shelter, good for once a year, which is based on that temporary local welfare stipend.
All in all, it is a temporary measure to help someone find a more permanent spot, like a room in the Y, but of course many don't want anything more permanent and return to the streets when their six weeks is up.
Definitely not anything resembling sponging off the government.
rd
...but for 2 years I have had to use the task manager to control this browser and it keeps me from recommending it to other people.
and version 2.0 continues to do this?
rd
Personally, I wish that they'd fix the bug that makes Firefox2 think that when you shut down Windows, and restart it 2 years later, it'll offer to `restart session`.
That's not a bug, that's an advertised new feature.
rd
You know, not everyone on the planet is a programmer. I know you find this hard to believe, but it is true. Your comment is arrogant and typical of a lot of programmers that don't feel someone has worth unless they can code.
It's valid when the only worth is criticism.
rd
The concern that it makes itself the default browser is valid but using the word 'hijacking' is a bit strong.
Just FYI from my recent experience, I installed Firefox 2.0 on my clean Win XP Pro and I'm fairly certain Firefox asked if it wanted me to make it the default browser just like all my previous Netscape installs on prior PC's did.
rd
3. He was on the floor. An irritating act, but something deserving electrocution?
Actually, most of the time the JBT's order you to lay on the ground and assault you until you do, and sometimes after as far as that goes.
rd
If I don't work, I can sponge off the government.
Assuming you're American and male, how is it you think you could do this?
rd
Am I the only one that finds it disturbing that we now have 'Czars' in the United States? It may just be a title, but it may also be a 'repeat it often enough and they believe it' situation.
Along with Homeland. And secret police. and a wall. and big lies to invade a country.
Switch godless to theocracy, and it's like we're in some kind of mirror image parallel Cold War Soviet Union.
rd
Perhaps, but it's probably because that's what the schools are focusing on. Bit of a feedback loop, really...
Nope, you have it backwards. The schools are supplying what the busineses want, and students sign up for the classes where the jobs are.
It's not all that complicated.
rd
Not slam shut, but balance it out with their purchase of our goods/services. The trade bubble we are creating now by lopsided trading is huge and may lead to an ugly poppage that will make the dot-com bubble look tame in comparison.
People are starting to get worried, but political bluster is too little too late.
It will require withdrawing from trade agreements, but we need to act, not hope others will act. We will impose no tarriffs on imports from a country, if we have something approaching a neutral or positive trade balance with them.
For those that sell to us but don't buy nearly as much, we must impose an import tarriff. I suggest the percentage of their trade surplus to our overall trade deficit. China's import tarriff would be 20% and growing, and if it keeps growing, the import tarriff needs to rise faster.
It's not easy, but we need to do it. American foreign subsidiaries would for all intents and purposes be foreign companies, and foreign American subsidiaries would be for all intents and purposes American.
But that's the whole point. Made in USA.
By the same token, we have to expect the same from others. Every country must for their own security have an agricultural and manufacturing base protected from monopolistic foreign imports.
Trade will continue, but to supplement, not supplant. Trade is two way, and when it isn't, we have to make the price of one way more expensive than two way.
rd
The problem is that companies don't want to pay for or wait for fad-of-the-month training, so they want to import them instead.
Why is the import already trained in fad of the month, while Americans allegedly are not? You give imports both technical superiority and at a much lower cost.
The lower cost, not only lower but in virtual indentured servitude, is what making my quarter numbers execs are after.
The rest is rationalization.
rd
Oh, you forgot to add that kids in the 50s walked to school everday, even on the weekends, uphill both ways, in the rain, while chased by radioactive gorillas.
but we had our secret decoder rings, so we weren't worried.
rd
If there's a problem, it's that H-1B visas don't necessarily lead to any opportunity to remain permanently in the U.S.
Although I argue against one point, your points are right on. I also don't think those numbers have changed that much in the last 40 years and probably before my time as well.
rd
I teach the three-semester calculus-based freshman physics sequence to a lot of engineering majors to a community college. A lot of these people are intelligent enough to learn the material, but flunk out of physics because of their weak backgrounds.
I would argue that calculus and physics have nothing to do with computer programming. I took neither and have spent a career programming, starting with 8086 assembler for a decade. I've been programming business systems for Fortune 500's since then.
As far as I can tell, calculus and physics formed the foundation of the glass house high priest culture of mainframe programming, and continues in computer science curriculums as make work for mathematician and physicist academics.
It certainly has nothing to do with programming outside of the occasional NASA trajectory algorithm and the like.
rd
I'm sorry - there's just too many things that go wrong when you introduce too many non-native employees into the mix. It just doesn't work. It's not effective. It ALWAYS ends up costing more in the long run.
I agree, and it's as much a national security issue as any other. All goods and services paid for with tax dollars should be mandated to be performed and produced by Americans, or the highest percentage American produced offered in bidding on the government contract.
rd
Let's see... Just open up all of our American corporations so that all of their precious information, applications, systems, networks, etc are built, maintained, controlled by non citizens.
The Romans did it, and look where they... oh wait.
rd
So why is the Bush administration and the Democratic congresspersons so eager to blame US IT workers?
Make that Republican congresspersons. The Bush administration is trying to get this corporate welfare done by the lame duck Republicans before the Democrats take over.
rd
...but at some point we have to confront the dramatic failings of large sections of the K-12 education system.
Americans need to get a grip. Schools never delivered computer programming level intelligence. People smart enough to program computers or build electronic devices didn't get that way from public schooling.
rd
P.S. posted by a 54 year old American career programmer.
Convince Congress that we don't have enough people to do the job, and that those people who live here suck anyway.
They are desparately trying to convince the lame duck Republican Congress to do this for them before the Democrats take over.
rd
So who is Robert Cresanti? He is a former Vice President of Public Policy for the BSA. Yes, that BSA. [lwn.net] Before that, he was the Senior Vice President and General Counsel for the ITAA. [wikipedia.org]
in short, he's a shill for multi-million dollar CEO's and their stock option execs.
rd
We need to import workers to fill the gaps, not because we're not paying IT workers enough, but because there simply AREN'T enough IT workers available in the first place.
If that were true, wouldn't offered salaries go up to at least dot com bubble levels again?
rd
...should not have teaching Visual Basic.Net and Java as the primary or only focus!
Your intent is good, but that is what these types refer to as "engineers with the appropriate skill sets".
rd
The only issue with Citrix is that you have to have enough servers. You can't run a company of 10,000 people on a bank of 20 servers if they're all using the app at the same time - you need a lot more horsepower.
TFA said they were the largest Citrix server site in the world. It sounds like they've tried server horsepower. Citrix said they told them the implementation architecture was flawed.
rd
As for blaming the issues on power outages.. Thats what generators and UPS systems are for.
And you can bet that the $4 billion bought plenty of it. The euphemism "power outage" should be read as "server crash".
rd