Facebook does just shift bits and bytes they simply do it at a higher logical layer than ISPs. Given their monopoly over the medium they should be regulated as a common carrier.
That is true, communists also heavily employ censorship. Really, everyone who wants to end personal liberty and therefore democracy. "individual" is by far the largest of all demographics and therefore its interests are at the top of the list for any democratically elected representative doing his/her job.
Censorship is a tool of oppression, any regime trying to repress dissent employs it as a shortcut to get around actually having a superior and/or more convincing argument.
"Videos like this are not "free speech". They are toxic propaganda to recruit more killers"
Free speech includes speech to which biased labels like "toxic" is applied. Do you know the difference between a soldier, an executioner, and a killer? Mostly the bias of the speaker.
"passing them around is at best giving aid/comfort to the enemy"
Whose enemy? A neutral platform doesn't choose sides therefore there is no 'enemy'
Psychology is a pseudoscience not a science. Please discuss it with your chiropractor, reflexology specialist, and aromatherapy expert and leave it off here. Having some kind of study, peer reviewed or otherwise, does not make something science.
Even "legitimate" western medicine, while basing many things on medical science, is not itself science. Medical doctors are not engineers, their practice is not considered applied science.
Psychology is worse, and blends heavily with social science an area which has had virtually no replication of studies in decades. Mixing these things up causes people to conflate the well deserved confidence they have in hard physical sciences with extremely predictable and reliable results and thorough well proven mathematical frameworks with soft to pseudo sciences which should at best be considered a working hypothesis quickly set aside should it conflict too much with your personal observations.
Social science and psychology are blatantly laden with heavy confirmation bias. One only has to look to how rapidly they shift in response to changing and popular social norms to see it.
Invented statistics, there is a single digit majority in major urban areas. That or you are skewing stats and counting "cities" with populations under 100k as urban.
This is most definitely not a troll. Whoever it is engaging in this moderation abuse should be flagged and have moderation privs removed. Metamods, please react accordingly.
Unfortunately for you abusers, there is a limit to your mod points but there is no limit to how many times I can resurrect these posts.
"Being an American company, there is a strong cultural bias towards free speech. Even though Constitutionally the First Amendment only applies to the government not companies. Americans in general have more tolerance towards "bad speech" while they may disagree with it, and condemn it, they often will not want to see it censored or banned. Mostly due to the fact that a lot of this is considered subjective, and can be used against your views in the future if your point of view is unpopular.
Now this is really an American value. Other countries, have a different tolerance on where the line should be drawn, this doesn't make them wrong, but some countries will draw the line much further to a point where banning political ideas that is opposing the party in power is considered harmful hate speech."
With the valid examples in that list (a few shouldn't be censored) those are examples of other rights being trampled on and a complicated choice having to be made. His mistake was a broad generalization but the underlying point without pedantic nitpicking stands.
Someone tried to bury this. Highlighting it instead. This is a cornerstone principal of democracy.
"It's funny he says they undermine democracy but then acts like censoring information isn't undermining democracy. You can't have it both ways. For free speech to work it must be absolute. The tyrants of NZ clearly don't see it that way though."
Given that he is the privacy minister and not the prime minister it seems he was also off topic whereas collecting, selling, and monetizing data would have been his wheelhouse.
Are you just saying things at random? The FB post I quoted was my own post from 11/2018. It contained no conspiracy theories and most definitely had no connection to the primaries in 2008.
I don't even think there is enough relationship to anything said by either of us in this thread to even call that a strawman.
"I've lived in Texas. Do you know it's illegal in Texas to take more than three sips of beer while standing? That you have to get a five-dollar permit before you can go barefoot? Did you know that the Encyclopedia Britannica is banned in Texas by state law? My point is, fuck Texas. We really shouldn't use Texas laws as anything like an example for the rest of the country."
Yeah, and unlike the ID law those are old legacy laws that nobody would bother trying to enforce and if they did they'd finally be stricken from the books in response. However, your example wasn't the rest of the country, your example was a remote town in Texas. If you wanted to talk about the rest of the country why did engage in a conversation about state measures (voter id) and a town in Texas?
Just admit it. Your wrong with regard to this particular argument for your position. It doesn't necessarily mean you are wrong on voter id just that this particular fun and extreme factoid about "Terlingua" isn't a good case for it. It's the kind of thing they say get a laugh from the choir on a comedy show like Colbert, Fox, CNN, Rush, etc. Nobody should be taking those things seriously.
The danger here is allowing technology companies to continue to horde and charge exorbitant prices for the latest technology. Even technology that is ten years old is being horded and only allowed out in small sips instead of the normal capitalist race to the bottom we saw through the 90's and through 2012.
They are hording the most valuable hardware and pieces of this technology and using it internally and not selling to the public. I'm not worried about companies automating everything, I'm worried about companies automating everything to gain control and creating a new ruling class.
We need make a number of critical technologies much much more easily obtainable and cheap. That includes chip fab techniques, there are a number of technologies we've come across that aren't dense enough to compete commercially but would be much cheaper to scale to geek diyer with an oscillioscope in his garage use. This includes the key pieces for a number of biology tools that have been horded such as crisper.
In short, we need to make sure we are in a position such that if and when they win this game and bail we can rebuilt and if they win this game and try to rule us we can simply take it back and dismantle it.
You can't cater to everyone. At some point the cost benefit ratio isn't there. I'm not willing to make 300 million people suffer and doubt the veracity of their elections for the benefit of 53 not having to drive a little further. At some point people are choosing to be hermits in an isolated and remote part of the country.
They still have voting rights if it is a PITA to exercise them that is the choice they've made. They can still submit an absentee ballot as well. Additionally, in Texas you are required to have ID on you by law if you are over 18 so they are either violating the law as written or already have ID.
If they want a closer office they should pay the cost for one. Just how far do you think we should go to enable a voice in our society to people who don't appreciably contribute to or even participate in it?
In general it a curious argument to make if you happen to be a D. In my experience the D's want to disenfranchise rural populations by making things more of a simple majority rules which coincides with entirely urban domination of politics.
Well I didn't post evidence because it was to FB friends in my community warning about mailers and the assorted mailers all clearly stated they were from the "Center for Voter Information"
And yes, the lion share of their funding does come George Soros as it turns out.
"The Center for Voter Information is an organization that works to provide even-handed and unbiased information about candidates and their positions on issues."
"Emergency care cannot be refused for payment reasons. Go get your arm set - and you hassle out the bill afterwards."
Incorrect. Lifesaving emergency care can't be refused. When they determine you only have a broken arm and there is no threat to your life they can toss you out.
"So you're saying that in the US you can pay for immediate care"
No, hospitals are required to provide emergency care in the US whether you can pay or not. It will be minimal and you'll sit in a chair for hours with that broken arm but they'll treat you.
"Compare that to the $200-400 monthly health-insurance costs you can get in the US, where some even include dental."
That isn't an apt comparison. The only healthcare you will get for that low a rate will come with a massive deductible and an HSA. It is only viable for people who don't need insurance at all.
You are conflating two separate things, the cost of insurance vs the cost of healthcare. Insurance is not healthcare it is something which is supposed to reduce the cost of healthcare. So to start your costs for the US you first have the $5000 deductible, then co-pays and prescription drug costs and any services which aren't covered. Needing a minor surgery AFTER paying for that insurance will cost you about $12,000 in the US.
In many places like here in Texas it is already the law that anyone over 18 carry ID. There shouldn't need to be a special effort to get people ID when they already have it. Also if someone is financially disadvantaged enough that they can't afford the $10 for an id there is a form they can fill out and they definitely aren't working.
Terlingua is in the middle of nowhere in ridiculously massive state with a whole lot of nowhere. It is a literal ghost town attraction with a population of 58 people who operate it and a lodge a tourist attraction.
"Be on alert for misleading mailings from the "Center for Voter Information." These are not official mailings of any kind and are misrepresented as non-partisan. The group has sent over 270,000 absentee ballot forms, if you fill one out you won't be qualified to vote on election day.
"the group is a vendor of NextGen Climate Action, a political action committee associated with liberal billionaire Tom Steyer. The PAC has made seven payments to the Center for Voter Information totaling over $1.7 million since last October. The most recent payment was made in August. The Center for Voter Information has also donated over $26,000 to Americans for Patriotic Values, a progressive PAC."
The director is Lionel Dripps. "Dripps previously served as the vice president of the Pivot Group, a Democratic campaign mailer firm founded by Trish Hoppey, who is considered "one of the top Democratic direct mail consultants in the country." He also served as executive director of the Democratic Senate Campaign Fund and was regional director of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin, according to his Linkedin profile.""
Wow... what is most interesting to me is this is almost exactly what happened here in Texas but in reverse and it wasn't heavily publicized at all, even locally. It was a big push by a fake voter report card effort. They sent shaming report cards to D districts and the same but with instructions for filing absentee ballots far in advance of the election to R districts. I only found out about it all because it annoyed me that this information was publicly available to send these report cards and I compared notes with other friends across other districts.
I investigated the organization sending and they were in fact a PAC funded by D billionaires.
Here is my own FB on the topic from 11/1/2018:
"Be on alert for misleading mailings from the "Center for Voter Information." These are not official mailings of any kind and are misrepresented as non-partisan. The group has sent over 270,000 absentee ballot forms, if you fill one out you won't be qualified to vote on election day.
"the group is a vendor of NextGen Climate Action, a political action committee associated with liberal billionaire Tom Steyer. The PAC has made seven payments to the Center for Voter Information totaling over $1.7 million since last October. The most recent payment was made in August. The Center for Voter Information has also donated over $26,000 to Americans for Patriotic Values, a progressive PAC."
The director is Lionel Dripps. "Dripps previously served as the vice president of the Pivot Group, a Democratic campaign mailer firm founded by Trish Hoppey, who is considered "one of the top Democratic direct mail consultants in the country." He also served as executive director of the Democratic Senate Campaign Fund and was regional director of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin, according to his Linkedin profile.""
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How exactly do you think you'll get said proof if you tolerate the suppression of speech?
The users select who the content goes to.
Facebook does just shift bits and bytes they simply do it at a higher logical layer than ISPs. Given their monopoly over the medium they should be regulated as a common carrier.
That is true, communists also heavily employ censorship. Really, everyone who wants to end personal liberty and therefore democracy. "individual" is by far the largest of all demographics and therefore its interests are at the top of the list for any democratically elected representative doing his/her job.
Censorship is a tool of oppression, any regime trying to repress dissent employs it as a shortcut to get around actually having a superior and/or more convincing argument.
There is a very big flaw here. Corporations aren't people.
"Videos like this are not "free speech". They are toxic propaganda to recruit more killers"
Free speech includes speech to which biased labels like "toxic" is applied. Do you know the difference between a soldier, an executioner, and a killer? Mostly the bias of the speaker.
"passing them around is at best giving aid/comfort to the enemy"
Whose enemy? A neutral platform doesn't choose sides therefore there is no 'enemy'
Psychology is a pseudoscience not a science. Please discuss it with your chiropractor, reflexology specialist, and aromatherapy expert and leave it off here. Having some kind of study, peer reviewed or otherwise, does not make something science.
Even "legitimate" western medicine, while basing many things on medical science, is not itself science. Medical doctors are not engineers, their practice is not considered applied science.
Psychology is worse, and blends heavily with social science an area which has had virtually no replication of studies in decades. Mixing these things up causes people to conflate the well deserved confidence they have in hard physical sciences with extremely predictable and reliable results and thorough well proven mathematical frameworks with soft to pseudo sciences which should at best be considered a working hypothesis quickly set aside should it conflict too much with your personal observations.
Social science and psychology are blatantly laden with heavy confirmation bias. One only has to look to how rapidly they shift in response to changing and popular social norms to see it.
Invented statistics, there is a single digit majority in major urban areas. That or you are skewing stats and counting "cities" with populations under 100k as urban.
This is most definitely not a troll. Whoever it is engaging in this moderation abuse should be flagged and have moderation privs removed. Metamods, please react accordingly.
Unfortunately for you abusers, there is a limit to your mod points but there is no limit to how many times I can resurrect these posts.
"Being an American company, there is a strong cultural bias towards free speech. Even though Constitutionally the First Amendment only applies to the government not companies. Americans in general have more tolerance towards "bad speech" while they may disagree with it, and condemn it, they often will not want to see it censored or banned. Mostly due to the fact that a lot of this is considered subjective, and can be used against your views in the future if your point of view is unpopular.
Now this is really an American value. Other countries, have a different tolerance on where the line should be drawn, this doesn't make them wrong, but some countries will draw the line much further to a point where banning political ideas that is opposing the party in power is considered harmful hate speech."
With the valid examples in that list (a few shouldn't be censored) those are examples of other rights being trampled on and a complicated choice having to be made. His mistake was a broad generalization but the underlying point without pedantic nitpicking stands.
Someone tried to bury this. Highlighting it instead. This is a cornerstone principal of democracy.
"It's funny he says they undermine democracy but then acts like censoring information isn't undermining democracy. You can't have it both ways. For free speech to work it must be absolute. The tyrants of NZ clearly don't see it that way though."
Given that he is the privacy minister and not the prime minister it seems he was also off topic whereas collecting, selling, and monetizing data would have been his wheelhouse.
+1 Insightful
Are you just saying things at random? The FB post I quoted was my own post from 11/2018. It contained no conspiracy theories and most definitely had no connection to the primaries in 2008.
I don't even think there is enough relationship to anything said by either of us in this thread to even call that a strawman.
"I've lived in Texas. Do you know it's illegal in Texas to take more than three sips of beer while standing? That you have to get a five-dollar permit before you can go barefoot? Did you know that the Encyclopedia Britannica is banned in Texas by state law? My point is, fuck Texas. We really shouldn't use Texas laws as anything like an example for the rest of the country."
Yeah, and unlike the ID law those are old legacy laws that nobody would bother trying to enforce and if they did they'd finally be stricken from the books in response. However, your example wasn't the rest of the country, your example was a remote town in Texas. If you wanted to talk about the rest of the country why did engage in a conversation about state measures (voter id) and a town in Texas?
Just admit it. Your wrong with regard to this particular argument for your position. It doesn't necessarily mean you are wrong on voter id just that this particular fun and extreme factoid about "Terlingua" isn't a good case for it. It's the kind of thing they say get a laugh from the choir on a comedy show like Colbert, Fox, CNN, Rush, etc. Nobody should be taking those things seriously.
The danger here is allowing technology companies to continue to horde and charge exorbitant prices for the latest technology. Even technology that is ten years old is being horded and only allowed out in small sips instead of the normal capitalist race to the bottom we saw through the 90's and through 2012.
They are hording the most valuable hardware and pieces of this technology and using it internally and not selling to the public. I'm not worried about companies automating everything, I'm worried about companies automating everything to gain control and creating a new ruling class.
We need make a number of critical technologies much much more easily obtainable and cheap. That includes chip fab techniques, there are a number of technologies we've come across that aren't dense enough to compete commercially but would be much cheaper to scale to geek diyer with an oscillioscope in his garage use. This includes the key pieces for a number of biology tools that have been horded such as crisper.
In short, we need to make sure we are in a position such that if and when they win this game and bail we can rebuilt and if they win this game and try to rule us we can simply take it back and dismantle it.
You can't cater to everyone. At some point the cost benefit ratio isn't there. I'm not willing to make 300 million people suffer and doubt the veracity of their elections for the benefit of 53 not having to drive a little further. At some point people are choosing to be hermits in an isolated and remote part of the country.
They still have voting rights if it is a PITA to exercise them that is the choice they've made. They can still submit an absentee ballot as well. Additionally, in Texas you are required to have ID on you by law if you are over 18 so they are either violating the law as written or already have ID.
If they want a closer office they should pay the cost for one. Just how far do you think we should go to enable a voice in our society to people who don't appreciably contribute to or even participate in it?
In general it a curious argument to make if you happen to be a D. In my experience the D's want to disenfranchise rural populations by making things more of a simple majority rules which coincides with entirely urban domination of politics.
Well I didn't post evidence because it was to FB friends in my community warning about mailers and the assorted mailers all clearly stated they were from the "Center for Voter Information"
But you are welcome to just do this:
https://www.google.com/search?q=q="center+for+voter+information"+absentee+ballots
https://www.google.com/search?q="center+for+voter+information"
And yes, the lion share of their funding does come George Soros as it turns out.
"The Center for Voter Information is an organization that works to provide even-handed and unbiased information about candidates and their positions on issues."
ROFL https://www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/detail.php?cmte=C90009317&cycle=2018
"Emergency care cannot be refused for payment reasons. Go get your arm set - and you hassle out the bill afterwards."
Incorrect. Lifesaving emergency care can't be refused. When they determine you only have a broken arm and there is no threat to your life they can toss you out.
"So you're saying that in the US you can pay for immediate care"
No, hospitals are required to provide emergency care in the US whether you can pay or not. It will be minimal and you'll sit in a chair for hours with that broken arm but they'll treat you.
"Compare that to the $200-400 monthly health-insurance costs you can get in the US, where some even include dental."
That isn't an apt comparison. The only healthcare you will get for that low a rate will come with a massive deductible and an HSA. It is only viable for people who don't need insurance at all.
You are conflating two separate things, the cost of insurance vs the cost of healthcare. Insurance is not healthcare it is something which is supposed to reduce the cost of healthcare. So to start your costs for the US you first have the $5000 deductible, then co-pays and prescription drug costs and any services which aren't covered. Needing a minor surgery AFTER paying for that insurance will cost you about $12,000 in the US.
In many places like here in Texas it is already the law that anyone over 18 carry ID. There shouldn't need to be a special effort to get people ID when they already have it. Also if someone is financially disadvantaged enough that they can't afford the $10 for an id there is a form they can fill out and they definitely aren't working.
Terlingua is in the middle of nowhere in ridiculously massive state with a whole lot of nowhere. It is a literal ghost town attraction with a population of 58 people who operate it and a lodge a tourist attraction.
The US already gives such a number. Proving it is your number is the issue here.
They did.
Here is my own FB on the topic from 11/1/2018:
"Be on alert for misleading mailings from the "Center for Voter Information." These are not official mailings of any kind and are misrepresented as non-partisan. The group has sent over 270,000 absentee ballot forms, if you fill one out you won't be qualified to vote on election day.
"the group is a vendor of NextGen Climate Action, a political action committee associated with liberal billionaire Tom Steyer. The PAC has made seven payments to the Center for Voter Information totaling over $1.7 million since last October. The most recent payment was made in August. The Center for Voter Information has also donated over $26,000 to Americans for Patriotic Values, a progressive PAC."
The director is Lionel Dripps. "Dripps previously served as the vice president of the Pivot Group, a Democratic campaign mailer firm founded by Trish Hoppey, who is considered "one of the top Democratic direct mail consultants in the country." He also served as executive director of the Democratic Senate Campaign Fund and was regional director of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin, according to his Linkedin profile.""
Wow... what is most interesting to me is this is almost exactly what happened here in Texas but in reverse and it wasn't heavily publicized at all, even locally. It was a big push by a fake voter report card effort. They sent shaming report cards to D districts and the same but with instructions for filing absentee ballots far in advance of the election to R districts. I only found out about it all because it annoyed me that this information was publicly available to send these report cards and I compared notes with other friends across other districts.
I investigated the organization sending and they were in fact a PAC funded by D billionaires.
Here is my own FB on the topic from 11/1/2018:
"Be on alert for misleading mailings from the "Center for Voter Information." These are not official mailings of any kind and are misrepresented as non-partisan. The group has sent over 270,000 absentee ballot forms, if you fill one out you won't be qualified to vote on election day.
"the group is a vendor of NextGen Climate Action, a political action committee associated with liberal billionaire Tom Steyer. The PAC has made seven payments to the Center for Voter Information totaling over $1.7 million since last October. The most recent payment was made in August. The Center for Voter Information has also donated over $26,000 to Americans for Patriotic Values, a progressive PAC."
The director is Lionel Dripps. "Dripps previously served as the vice president of the Pivot Group, a Democratic campaign mailer firm founded by Trish Hoppey, who is considered "one of the top Democratic direct mail consultants in the country." He also served as executive director of the Democratic Senate Campaign Fund and was regional director of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin, according to his Linkedin profile.""