Nvidia is trying to force the linux community to accept their unacceptable "super secret" blob into the kernel agains the linux community's development and participatation standards.
*other random potty logic*
Yeah, you know what? You can go to hell.
I need to get work done on a daily basis. To do that work, I need video drivers that fscking work, preferably as good if not better than they do under Windows. Right now, nVidia gives me those drivers.
Stupid pissing contests about licensing? SO not helpful to me.
I don't know who this "linux community" you speak of is, but I'm obviously not a member... And it sounds like I don't want to be.
You know, my Dad told me his great-grandmother used to spit tobacco juice on bee stings, too. Who needs all that flashy modern medicine crap, anyway...
Yeah, the RIAA/MPAA isn't going to try any more "Stop teh pirates!!!1!" bills anytime soon. They will probably try a few more disguised as cybersecurity legislation, tacking on copyright maximalism onto "think of the children!!!" alarmism. But that's all irrelevant.
The important lesson they learned is this: Accomplish your goals in an arena where there's no pesky democratic process to worry about. Instead, they push ACTA (which still isn't dead), and TPP (which looks to be significantly worse than ACTA). And they label them as "trade agreements" (even though they're obviously treaties), that way they don't have to deal with that pesky Senate that seems to respond better to millions of voters than millions of dollars. Yep, now they can do ALL their business in secret, back-room deals, and skip that entire public review phase.
And then, once the U.S. is signed onto these treaties, Congress gets the easy out: "We have to bring our laws into line with our international agreements!"
Okay, I'm not sure how you went from "You can't charge as well over USB!" to talking about connecting video to a mobile device... But I'll bite.
I guess you're referring to the fact that the Galaxy S3 was the first device with the 11-pin MHL connector, to allow using HDMI and USB at the same time? I guess that's a fair criticism, that it's not backwards compatible with older MHL adapters.
But I think it also reinforces my point: It's being done with a standard micro-USB port, that still allows charging and data access via any standard micro-USB cable, meaning (as I originally said), Apple's Lightning connector doesn't allow them to do anything they couldn't do with a micro-USB connector. The only unique capability Lightning provides is another way for Apple to get money out of you.
Sometimes using only the stick on a really stubborn horse just leaves you with a dead horse.
B&N had made a point of fighting these lawsuits rather vigorously. More vigorously than any other Android manufacturer. And they had refused to sign NDAs and were dragging all of Microsoft's dirty laundry out into the public. Microsoft would still have won eventually, but the costs (financial and otherwise) would have been enormous.
Offering a large lump of cash to "partner" with Microsoft probably managed to convince several B&N executives to overrule their legal team that wanted to fight to the death.
Plus, now Microsoft has B&N on the hook to provide eReader stuff for Windows 8.
The money was the carrot, the huge smothering patent lawsuits were the stick. B&N wasn't given a choice in the matter, they either accepted Microsoft's money and agreed to do Windows 8 stuff with them, or Microsoft promised to keep suing them 10 patents at a time until they were out of business.
Or, like for my Galaxy S3, you can have a dock that the charger also plugs into, which provides data and power over the same USB connection
Forgive me for being honest and upfront about the fact the Nexus 7 does in fact offer a separate dock connector, since I was using it as one of my primary examples earlier. You just seemed so fixated on docks...
Anyway, the Nexus 7 can still charge and use data over the same USB connection. The Gear4 AlarmDock does that, for instance. It'll charge while providing audio over USB.
Harman also has some in-car integration that uses it, apparently.
There's also a whole mess of sensors and arduino boards you can buy, if you're into that thing.
Not a large amount on the market yet, to be fair, but it's still important to note there are manufacturers out there actually using standard USB connections.
But not when also transferring data - which you conveniently left out of the quote. Because standard USB can't do that, but the dock connector can.
Supporting a standard USB plug does not rule out a separate dock connector, which you can see with the Nexus 7.
Or, like for my Galaxy S3, you can have a dock that the charger also plugs into, which provides data and power over the same USB connection... Just like the iPad dock does.
Again, none of the capabilities you are listing are impossible (or even difficult) with a standard USB cable. The only benefit of the proprietary cable is to Apple's bottom line.
And back to your earlier comment, USB3 ports are backwards compatible with USB2 cables. So, no, Apple would not "just have to move to another connector anyway" if they went with micro-USB.
Oh, the Android Open Accessory protocol? That makes use of standard USB interfaces to connect to external hardware like sensors, speakers, clocks, exercise machines, etc.?
No they don't. The Nexus 7's charger is the same amperage/voltage as the iPad charger, last I checked. 5V, 2.1Amp or something like that. Same "10W" charging specs, but over a standard micro-USB cable.
Like I said, in my original post, the micro-USB spec allows for more power to be pushed over the wire when the device is paired with its own charger...
Except everything I typed out applies to the average android owner. Even my Mom has two web browsers installed, the default the phone came w/ and Dolphin. With mobile versions of Firefox, Opera, Chrome, and hundreds of apps out there that also offer to open URLs when prompted...
Really that's the least important part of the story. The important part is them somehow holding their phone to mine back-to-back long enough to do the exploit 185 times. It's much more likely they'd just pickpocket my phone at that point. Anyone going on about "Ever been in a crowded subway!?" has obviously never tried to use NFC.
The gist of that article is "Lightning is better because it has 8 pins! 8 is more than 5!"
And 11 is louder than 10...
It's nonsense. You can put audio and video over micro-USB (see: MHL), and the standard specifically allows for sending more power over the cable when a device is using its own charger, so the argument "You couldn't charge the iPad!" is BS. The Nexus 7, Kindle, Galaxy Tab, Transformer, etc. all charge fine over micro-USB based chargers.
With this Galaxy 3 NFC hack, a stranger could do it sitting next to you on the bus.
No, they'd have to be sitting next to me on the bus AND physically touch my phone with another device long enough to trigger NFC AND I have to have NFC enabled AND keep the devices in physical contact long enough for the download to complete OR hope that I have an active data connection AND the right web browser set as my default so their specially crafted web page loads to root my device... Except that (since I have like six web browsers installed) it requires me to interact with the phone to pick the web browser to open the page... A lot more difficult to arrange than "sitting next to someone".
Also, the ASLR implementation is known to be incomplete on ICS. It's apparently fully fixed on Jelly Bean, so this hack shouldn't be possible on the S3 in a couple months, when the update is rolled out. Likewise, all of the Nexus NFC devices have been updated to Jelly Bean, so they're secure.
Yeah, it's sad that the hack was possible, but it was due to flaws in the OS, not due to problems with NFC, and only under a very contrived set of circumstances...
I'm as much a fan of privacy as anyone else on Slashdot, but this is different.
Actually, it's different but in a completely different way than you suggest. What actually happened was the government demanded this guy's personal info, Twitter informed the guy the government was trying to get it, and the guy then moved to quash.
The Judge then ruled that the guy has no interest in his own data, since it's on Twitter's servers and he gave them a license, and therefore he has no standing to file a motion to protect his own information.
The judge then said Twitter had to hand over the information, since they had no reason to protect him. Twitter and this guy appealed the decision, since it's obviously kind of boneheaded that a judge would say "You don't have a right to prevent us from asking for your information if someone else has it." That appeal is pending.
The judge then sent Twitter a letter, asking why he shouldn't find them in contempt for not turning over the information. Twitter pointed to the pending appeal, and he essentially said "I don't care about your appeal, I'm the judge here, which means I'm right, you're wrong. Turn it over or face sanctions."
So while I agree with you that people performing civil disobedience should be prepared to face the consequences for it, this case isn't even at that point yet. This is all over the government completely abusing due process and trying to prevent the guy from even having a say in the investigation!
Because that's what the software is on, and it's easily available. Having an interactive touchscreen LCD device also allows additional functionality than just viewing charts. Backlighting is nice in a dark cockpit, as well.
And really, in an industry that normally purchases $20k GPS units and $200k Flight Management Computers, you think a $600 iPad is an outrageous expense?
The devices have supposedly been tested for Electromagnetic Interference issues with the specific aircraft AA flies, and they will be in airplane mode.
Yes, the pilots can have an electronic display that has been EMI tested, with all wireless communication features turned off, provide them up-to-date, safety-critical procedure information so that they can do their damned jobs.
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You say they're boosting their map app, I say they're giving me the results I want, as Google Maps is noticeably better than the competition.
Yeah, you know what? You can go to hell.
I need to get work done on a daily basis. To do that work, I need video drivers that fscking work, preferably as good if not better than they do under Windows. Right now, nVidia gives me those drivers.
Stupid pissing contests about licensing? SO not helpful to me.
I don't know who this "linux community" you speak of is, but I'm obviously not a member... And it sounds like I don't want to be.
Yeah, and text-based, dial-up friendly websites work just fine for serving up very simple, text-based content.
Some of us want to actually organize things, look at pretty stuff, or get work done, however...
You know, my Dad told me his great-grandmother used to spit tobacco juice on bee stings, too. Who needs all that flashy modern medicine crap, anyway...
Yeah, the RIAA/MPAA isn't going to try any more "Stop teh pirates!!!1!" bills anytime soon. They will probably try a few more disguised as cybersecurity legislation, tacking on copyright maximalism onto "think of the children!!!" alarmism. But that's all irrelevant.
The important lesson they learned is this: Accomplish your goals in an arena where there's no pesky democratic process to worry about. Instead, they push ACTA (which still isn't dead), and TPP (which looks to be significantly worse than ACTA). And they label them as "trade agreements" (even though they're obviously treaties), that way they don't have to deal with that pesky Senate that seems to respond better to millions of voters than millions of dollars. Yep, now they can do ALL their business in secret, back-room deals, and skip that entire public review phase.
And then, once the U.S. is signed onto these treaties, Congress gets the easy out: "We have to bring our laws into line with our international agreements!"
Okay, I'm not sure how you went from "You can't charge as well over USB!" to talking about connecting video to a mobile device... But I'll bite.
I guess you're referring to the fact that the Galaxy S3 was the first device with the 11-pin MHL connector, to allow using HDMI and USB at the same time? I guess that's a fair criticism, that it's not backwards compatible with older MHL adapters.
But I think it also reinforces my point: It's being done with a standard micro-USB port, that still allows charging and data access via any standard micro-USB cable, meaning (as I originally said), Apple's Lightning connector doesn't allow them to do anything they couldn't do with a micro-USB connector. The only unique capability Lightning provides is another way for Apple to get money out of you.
In other words, you're full of crap, and you know I'm right.
So you're being purposely dense and making crap up, too?
Can you at least reference what you're talking about? What wires in my USB cable "have nothing to do with USB"?
Sometimes using only the stick on a really stubborn horse just leaves you with a dead horse.
B&N had made a point of fighting these lawsuits rather vigorously. More vigorously than any other Android manufacturer. And they had refused to sign NDAs and were dragging all of Microsoft's dirty laundry out into the public. Microsoft would still have won eventually, but the costs (financial and otherwise) would have been enormous.
Offering a large lump of cash to "partner" with Microsoft probably managed to convince several B&N executives to overrule their legal team that wanted to fight to the death.
Plus, now Microsoft has B&N on the hook to provide eReader stuff for Windows 8.
Are you being purposely dense?
What part of what Samsung did is non-standard USB?
The money was the carrot, the huge smothering patent lawsuits were the stick. B&N wasn't given a choice in the matter, they either accepted Microsoft's money and agreed to do Windows 8 stuff with them, or Microsoft promised to keep suing them 10 patents at a time until they were out of business.
On the next line?
Forgive me for being honest and upfront about the fact the Nexus 7 does in fact offer a separate dock connector, since I was using it as one of my primary examples earlier. You just seemed so fixated on docks...
Anyway, the Nexus 7 can still charge and use data over the same USB connection. The Gear4 AlarmDock does that, for instance. It'll charge while providing audio over USB.
So, about those goal posts?
Well, here's an obvious example: An Alarm Clock.
Harman also has some in-car integration that uses it, apparently.
There's also a whole mess of sensors and arduino boards you can buy, if you're into that thing.
Not a large amount on the market yet, to be fair, but it's still important to note there are manufacturers out there actually using standard USB connections.
Supporting a standard USB plug does not rule out a separate dock connector, which you can see with the Nexus 7.
Or, like for my Galaxy S3, you can have a dock that the charger also plugs into, which provides data and power over the same USB connection... Just like the iPad dock does.
Again, none of the capabilities you are listing are impossible (or even difficult) with a standard USB cable. The only benefit of the proprietary cable is to Apple's bottom line.
And back to your earlier comment, USB3 ports are backwards compatible with USB2 cables. So, no, Apple would not "just have to move to another connector anyway" if they went with micro-USB.
Oh, the Android Open Accessory protocol? That makes use of standard USB interfaces to connect to external hardware like sensors, speakers, clocks, exercise machines, etc.?
USB-OTG is a standard.
I can hook up a USB gamepad to my Nexus 7 or Samsung Galaxy S3 with it.
Er?
No they don't. The Nexus 7's charger is the same amperage/voltage as the iPad charger, last I checked. 5V, 2.1Amp or something like that. Same "10W" charging specs, but over a standard micro-USB cable.
Like I said, in my original post, the micro-USB spec allows for more power to be pushed over the wire when the device is paired with its own charger...
Except everything I typed out applies to the average android owner. Even my Mom has two web browsers installed, the default the phone came w/ and Dolphin. With mobile versions of Firefox, Opera, Chrome, and hundreds of apps out there that also offer to open URLs when prompted...
Really that's the least important part of the story. The important part is them somehow holding their phone to mine back-to-back long enough to do the exploit 185 times. It's much more likely they'd just pickpocket my phone at that point. Anyone going on about "Ever been in a crowded subway!?" has obviously never tried to use NFC.
The gist of that article is "Lightning is better because it has 8 pins! 8 is more than 5!"
And 11 is louder than 10...
It's nonsense. You can put audio and video over micro-USB (see: MHL), and the standard specifically allows for sending more power over the cable when a device is using its own charger, so the argument "You couldn't charge the iPad!" is BS. The Nexus 7, Kindle, Galaxy Tab, Transformer, etc. all charge fine over micro-USB based chargers.
No, they'd have to be sitting next to me on the bus AND physically touch my phone with another device long enough to trigger NFC AND I have to have NFC enabled AND keep the devices in physical contact long enough for the download to complete OR hope that I have an active data connection AND the right web browser set as my default so their specially crafted web page loads to root my device...
Except that (since I have like six web browsers installed) it requires me to interact with the phone to pick the web browser to open the page... A lot more difficult to arrange than "sitting next to someone".
Also, the ASLR implementation is known to be incomplete on ICS. It's apparently fully fixed on Jelly Bean, so this hack shouldn't be possible on the S3 in a couple months, when the update is rolled out. Likewise, all of the Nexus NFC devices have been updated to Jelly Bean, so they're secure.
Yeah, it's sad that the hack was possible, but it was due to flaws in the OS, not due to problems with NFC, and only under a very contrived set of circumstances...
Actually, it's different but in a completely different way than you suggest. What actually happened was the government demanded this guy's personal info, Twitter informed the guy the government was trying to get it, and the guy then moved to quash.
The Judge then ruled that the guy has no interest in his own data, since it's on Twitter's servers and he gave them a license, and therefore he has no standing to file a motion to protect his own information.
The judge then said Twitter had to hand over the information, since they had no reason to protect him. Twitter and this guy appealed the decision, since it's obviously kind of boneheaded that a judge would say "You don't have a right to prevent us from asking for your information if someone else has it." That appeal is pending.
The judge then sent Twitter a letter, asking why he shouldn't find them in contempt for not turning over the information. Twitter pointed to the pending appeal, and he essentially said "I don't care about your appeal, I'm the judge here, which means I'm right, you're wrong. Turn it over or face sanctions."
So while I agree with you that people performing civil disobedience should be prepared to face the consequences for it, this case isn't even at that point yet. This is all over the government completely abusing due process and trying to prevent the guy from even having a say in the investigation!
Because that's what the software is on, and it's easily available. Having an interactive touchscreen LCD device also allows additional functionality than just viewing charts. Backlighting is nice in a dark cockpit, as well.
And really, in an industry that normally purchases $20k GPS units and $200k Flight Management Computers, you think a $600 iPad is an outrageous expense?
The devices have supposedly been tested for Electromagnetic Interference issues with the specific aircraft AA flies, and they will be in airplane mode.
Heh, almost wrote autistic mode, too much GitS...
Yes, the pilots can have an electronic display that has been EMI tested, with all wireless communication features turned off, provide them up-to-date, safety-critical procedure information so that they can do their damned jobs.
Alec Baldwin can DIAF.