I've begun happily informing people that I hope Bush does win because of my 3rd party vote. Maybe if things get bad enough quick enough there will be a real impetus for change in our system.
I'll probably be flamed for saying this, but I voted for Nader and personally, I hope that Bush does get elected because of that. I feel disillusioned by the current Democratic Party, what happened to the "Leftists"?
I agree wholeheartedly that if Bush gets elected, maybe some true Democrats will re-emerge when they see how bad things have gotten, but then again, that's just my "bleeding-heart" opinion:)
No, actually, that's just about right. Read Nader's and the Green party's platform! "Build into the progressive income tax a 100% tax on all
income over ten times the minimum wage." Now do the math. It may not be exact, but it's close enough.
No, YOU read the Green Party Platform that was ratified at the Green Party National Convention, June 2000.
As you will see, Ralph Nader's platform mentions NOTHING about the progressive income tax that you described....
Nothing, just stating the fact that it's one of the most polluted bodies of water in the Northeast that I certainly hope nothing like that is living in it!:)
I'm a woman, and ALL of my female friends are supporting Nader, even my mother. Why don't you hear about it? The media doesn't want to listen. NONE of us are right, and we do have alot to lose, but, Al Gore has let us all down.
Then why is Larry Flynt being shut up. Even good ol' rumor mongerer Matt Drudge won't publish the story.
Someone on the internet should be reporting on this! People are attacking Flynt's character, but hey, he was right about Livingston, Barr and Gingrich! I wonder who sponsors "Crossfire", I bet they had something to do with gagging Flynt.
Yes, but corporations use their power to lobby the politicians for laws and bills that will benefit themselves, not the people as a whole.
Sure, boycotts *can* work, but not very often, corporations would much rather throw a chunk of change at the person to get them to shut up rather than be exposed. I know about this first hand, a friend of mine found worms in a popular food brand, when she complained, she was given a gag order and given some money, this happens alot more than one would think.
The corporations think of it this way, is it cheaper to shut this person up or to change our product or whatever they are complaining about. They always want the settlement, it's much cheaper and not costly to their image because they can simply get a gag order.
They can really disrupt the politcal process too. They have money reserves which transfer into lobbying power that the average Joe just does not have. With all of the media-mega-mergers too, we have lost our ability as citizens to have corporations fairly reported on. If there is something these companies don't want the public to hear, they just won't report on them, and that in my opinion, is wrong, and is much more dangerous than the government.
You really need to be careful where you get your information from on the internet.
Check to make sure it's a valid source and not just some propaganda bullshit. Unfortunately, the net makes it very easy to spread untrue information just as easy as it is to promote validated facts.
Sure, there is freedom of speech, but don't believe everything you read on the internet, what may look like valid news may actually be nothing but rumour mongerers spreading their bullshit.
For an example, check out The Drudge Report. Facts or rumours? Make sure you know who you're getting your news from.
McReynolds made alot of good points, but I guess what I would like to know is why as school children, etc., we have been brainwashed to "fear" Socialism?
Exactly, we can't pretend that the rest of the world doesn't exist. Many things that other countries do WILL affect the United State's interests. The Gult War, as you stated, is a perfect example, had Saddam succeeded, it would have crippled the world's economy, and that is our business, it affects us.
EXCUSE ME? Did you read my post? Not full of hate, then what do you make of this??
I went to a local fair a few weeks ago, and just for showing my support for the civil unions law, I was continually harassed, told to "go back
to California" (when I've lived in Vermont all my life), called a dyke and lesbian (though I am a heterosexual woman), purposely run into by
"innocent" bystanders, all for wanting the same rights for gays that I will enjoy should I ever get married. I was also told that "shit is for
spreading on fields, not for packing".
I'm sorry, but these people weren't simply "disagreeing" with me, their actions were out of HATE. Nothing in their statements or actions showed any hint of difference of opinion in an intelligent way, but out of a gang mentality.
I've heard alot of rumors (rumors are not a trustworthy source, but this is worth taking note of), that if George W. Bush gets elected, there will be some sort of retalliation for Dallas, 1963.
Please tell me you're joking...Bush will be assassinated because of JFK??? Do you have any evidence to back this up with???
Take my state Vermont for example. There is a tight race going on at the moment due to the fact that the representatives decided to legalize civil unions in the state, so that a gay or lesbian couple can enjoy many (but not all) of the rights that a heterosexual couple often takes for granted.
Right now there is a great deal of hate being spread around my state with people who don't agree with it. They started a campaign "Take Back Vermont", in order to, supposedly, take Vermont back to it's "roots". To me, this against what Vermont is about, once our own Union before joining the US, it's always been for equal rights, respect, and understanding.
I went to a local fair a few weeks ago, and just for showing my support for the civil unions law, I was continually harassed, told to "go back to California" (when I've lived in Vermont all my life), called a dyke and lesbian (though I am a heterosexual woman), purposely run into by "innocent" bystanders, all for wanting the same rights for gays that I will enjoy should I ever get married. I was also told that "shit is for spreading on fields, not for packing".
Pat Buchanan took it upon himself to come to Vermont this week and express his disgust for the Vermonters that support this bill, the ones that actually elected the officials and pushed for the bill, understanding that all Vermonters are equal, even in God's eyes. He was very demeaning and extremely anti-gay.
We that support the civil unions bill, we understand that not everyone has to accept gays, but what happened to RESPECT?
So yes, voting does matter, ESPECIALLY in the local elections, many things will get decided that will affect only your state and not the nation as a whole, one vote can make a difference.
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You got Ralph Nader confused with Jello Biafra who was a candidate for the Greens nomination, but lost it to Nader.
Perhaps the reason why you got confused was you also failed to read the disclaimer on the beginning of the Greens website here that states "This platform is not binding for candidates on any level".
For more information on the Green party, check out this link. Notice on this website that it has a link to Ralph Nader's platform, as ratified at the Green Party National Convention, June 2000.
1. We affirm the importance of access to a livable income.
2. Job banks and other innovative training and employment programs which
bring together the private and public sectors must become federal, state and
local priorities. People who are unable to find decent work in the private
sector should have options through publicly funded opportunities.
3. Workforce development programs must aim at moving people out of poverty
- a "living wage" campaign and "living wage" standard will go a long way toward
achieving this goal.
4. We urge that a national debate be held and broad public mandate be sought
regarding (fiscal and monetary) economic strategies and policies as they impact
wages. This debate is long overdue. The growing inequities in income and wealth
between rich and poor; unprecedented discrepancies in salary and benefits
between corporate top executives and line workers; loss of the "American dream"
by the young and middle-class - each is a symptom of decisions made by policy-makers
far removed from the concerns of ordinary workers trying to keep up.
5. A clear living wage standard should serve as a foundation for trade between
nations, and a "floor" of wage protections and worker's rights should be negotiated
and set in place in future trade agreements. The United States should take
the lead on this front - and not allow destructive, corporate predatory practices
under the guise of "free" international trade.
This is a living wage, not a MAXIMUM wage. Please, get your facts straight before blurting out a rumor that's not true...
The absentee ballot came last week and I sent it out, with a big ol' X by Ralph Nader's name.
Absentee ballots are so easy to obtain, if you really can't get to the election on the 7th, it may not be too late to get an absentee ballot, by not voting, it's not really a form of protest, it's just emphasizing the laziness of our generation. Sure, I know Ralph Nader won't win, but atleast I'm not letting others decide for me.
Whatever you do though, don't try to sell your ballot like here. This website was hawking absentee ballots....
My home state, Vermont, legalized "civil-unions", giving many of the same privledges (but not all) as a marriage to gay and lesbian couples.
Right now there is a great deal of hate being spread around my state with people who don't agree with it. They started a campaign "Take Back Vermont", in order to, supposedly, take Vermont back to it's "roots". To me, this against what Vermont is about, once our own Union before joining the US, it's always been for equal rights, respect, and understanding.
I went to a local fair a few weeks ago, and just for showing my support for the civil unions law, I was continually harassed, told to "go back to California" (when I've lived in Vermont all my life), called a dyke and lesbian (though I am a heterosexual woman), purposely run into by "innocent" bystanders, all for wanting the same rights for gays that I will enjoy should I ever get married. I was also told that "shit is for spreading on fields, not for packing".
Pat Buchanan took it upon himself to come to Vermont this week and express his disgust for the Vermonters that support this bill, the ones that actually elected the officials and pushed for the bill, understanding that all Vermonters are equal, even in God's eyes. He was very demeaning and extremely anti-gay.
We that support the civil unions bill, we understand that not everyone has to accept gays, but what happened to RESPECT?
Thus, mny question is for Pat Buchanan- why does the Vermont Civil Unions bill affect you so that you feel it is ok to use such slanderous terms and support a slogan that is known in Vermont as a symbol of hate as that of "Take Back Vermont"? Are you not secure in your own sexuality? I want to take Vermont back myself, to a time when it was an open and respectful state that always valued EVERYONES rights, not just a certain group's...
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I've begun happily informing people that I hope Bush does win because of my 3rd party vote. Maybe if things get bad enough quick enough there will be a real impetus for change in our system.
:)
I'll probably be flamed for saying this, but I voted for Nader and personally, I hope that Bush does get elected because of that. I feel disillusioned by the current Democratic Party, what happened to the "Leftists"?
I agree wholeheartedly that if Bush gets elected, maybe some true Democrats will re-emerge when they see how bad things have gotten, but then again, that's just my "bleeding-heart" opinion
I got the email too, but it was the other way around, requesting that Greens and Democrats vote today and for Republicans to vote tomorrow.
Here is the the link that describes Ralph's Platform that was ratified at the Green Party National Convention.
No, actually, that's just about right. Read Nader's and the Green party's platform! "Build into the progressive income tax a 100% tax on all income over ten times the minimum wage." Now do the math. It may not be exact, but it's close enough.
No, YOU read the Green Party Platform that was ratified at the Green Party National Convention, June 2000.
As you will see, Ralph Nader's platform mentions NOTHING about the progressive income tax that you described....
Nader is dangerous. Sure, he sounds noble enough on the surface, but he's a great way to:
drive businesses away through punishing regulations and embrace of a society where no one makes over $100,000/year
That isn't in Nader's platform...
Nothing, just stating the fact that it's one of the most polluted bodies of water in the Northeast that I certainly hope nothing like that is living in it! :)
Me too, except I certainly hope I don't hook anything like that in the Charles River in Boston ;)
I'm a woman, and ALL of my female friends are supporting Nader, even my mother. Why don't you hear about it? The media doesn't want to listen. NONE of us are right, and we do have alot to lose, but, Al Gore has let us all down.
Then why is Larry Flynt being shut up. Even good ol' rumor mongerer Matt Drudge won't publish the story.
Someone on the internet should be reporting on this! People are attacking Flynt's character, but hey, he was right about Livingston, Barr and Gingrich! I wonder who sponsors "Crossfire", I bet they had something to do with gagging Flynt.
Plagarism! I've never seen a post so badly plagarized!
For those interested in seeing how this Karma Whore PLAGARIZED this post, please check out these links.
This is the original post on Kuro5hin.
And, this is what the original poster was advised to do.
What out for such blatant Karma-Whoring and Plagarism next time!
Yes, but corporations use their power to lobby the politicians for laws and bills that will benefit themselves, not the people as a whole.
Sure, boycotts *can* work, but not very often, corporations would much rather throw a chunk of change at the person to get them to shut up rather than be exposed. I know about this first hand, a friend of mine found worms in a popular food brand, when she complained, she was given a gag order and given some money, this happens alot more than one would think.
The corporations think of it this way, is it cheaper to shut this person up or to change our product or whatever they are complaining about. They always want the settlement, it's much cheaper and not costly to their image because they can simply get a gag order.
They can really disrupt the politcal process too. They have money reserves which transfer into lobbying power that the average Joe just does not have. With all of the media-mega-mergers too, we have lost our ability as citizens to have corporations fairly reported on. If there is something these companies don't want the public to hear, they just won't report on them, and that in my opinion, is wrong, and is much more dangerous than the government.
Fight Corporate Power!
You really need to be careful where you get your information from on the internet.
Check to make sure it's a valid source and not just some propaganda bullshit. Unfortunately, the net makes it very easy to spread untrue information just as easy as it is to promote validated facts.
Sure, there is freedom of speech, but don't believe everything you read on the internet, what may look like valid news may actually be nothing but rumour mongerers spreading their bullshit.
For an example, check out The Drudge Report. Facts or rumours? Make sure you know who you're getting your news from.
McReynolds made alot of good points, but I guess what I would like to know is why as school children, etc., we have been brainwashed to "fear" Socialism?
C'mon, it's cool! It's interesting....
It's things like these that make me glad we live in a reprentative democracy...
Exactly, we can't pretend that the rest of the world doesn't exist. Many things that other countries do WILL affect the United State's interests. The Gult War, as you stated, is a perfect example, had Saddam succeeded, it would have crippled the world's economy, and that is our business, it affects us.
I too became a green when Bill Bradley lost :) Pat Buchanan came dead last for me, which didn't surprise me, the man's insane.
What if the woman got pregnant from being raped? Just curious what your stance on this is...
EXCUSE ME? Did you read my post? Not full of hate, then what do you make of this??
I went to a local fair a few weeks ago, and just for showing my support for the civil unions law, I was continually harassed, told to "go back to California" (when I've lived in Vermont all my life), called a dyke and lesbian (though I am a heterosexual woman), purposely run into by "innocent" bystanders, all for wanting the same rights for gays that I will enjoy should I ever get married. I was also told that "shit is for spreading on fields, not for packing".
I'm sorry, but these people weren't simply "disagreeing" with me, their actions were out of HATE. Nothing in their statements or actions showed any hint of difference of opinion in an intelligent way, but out of a gang mentality.
I've heard alot of rumors (rumors are not a trustworthy source, but this is worth taking note of), that if George W. Bush gets elected, there will be some sort of retalliation for Dallas, 1963.
Please tell me you're joking...Bush will be assassinated because of JFK??? Do you have any evidence to back this up with???
Take my state Vermont for example. There is a tight race going on at the moment due to the fact that the representatives decided to legalize civil unions in the state, so that a gay or lesbian couple can enjoy many (but not all) of the rights that a heterosexual couple often takes for granted.
Right now there is a great deal of hate being spread around my state with people who don't agree with it. They started a campaign "Take Back Vermont", in order to, supposedly, take Vermont back to it's "roots". To me, this against what Vermont is about, once our own Union before joining the US, it's always been for equal rights, respect, and understanding.
I went to a local fair a few weeks ago, and just for showing my support for the civil unions law, I was continually harassed, told to "go back to California" (when I've lived in Vermont all my life), called a dyke and lesbian (though I am a heterosexual woman), purposely run into by "innocent" bystanders, all for wanting the same rights for gays that I will enjoy should I ever get married. I was also told that "shit is for spreading on fields, not for packing".
Pat Buchanan took it upon himself to come to Vermont this week and express his disgust for the Vermonters that support this bill, the ones that actually elected the officials and pushed for the bill, understanding that all Vermonters are equal, even in God's eyes. He was very demeaning and extremely anti-gay.
We that support the civil unions bill, we understand that not everyone has to accept gays, but what happened to RESPECT?
So yes, voting does matter, ESPECIALLY in the local elections, many things will get decided that will affect only your state and not the nation as a whole, one vote can make a difference.
You got Ralph Nader confused with Jello Biafra who was a candidate for the Greens nomination, but lost it to Nader.
Perhaps the reason why you got confused was you also failed to read the disclaimer on the beginning of the Greens website here that states "This platform is not binding for candidates on any level".
For more information on the Green party, check out this link. Notice on this website that it has a link to Ralph Nader's platform, as ratified at the Green Party National Convention, June 2000.
This is the platform Ralph Nader supports, don't believe the rumor mongers.
From the Green Party's platform website
C. LIVABLE INCOME
1. We affirm the importance of access to a livable income.
2. Job banks and other innovative training and employment programs which bring together the private and public sectors must become federal, state and local priorities. People who are unable to find decent work in the private sector should have options through publicly funded opportunities.
3. Workforce development programs must aim at moving people out of poverty - a "living wage" campaign and "living wage" standard will go a long way toward achieving this goal.
4. We urge that a national debate be held and broad public mandate be sought regarding (fiscal and monetary) economic strategies and policies as they impact wages. This debate is long overdue. The growing inequities in income and wealth between rich and poor; unprecedented discrepancies in salary and benefits between corporate top executives and line workers; loss of the "American dream" by the young and middle-class - each is a symptom of decisions made by policy-makers far removed from the concerns of ordinary workers trying to keep up.
5. A clear living wage standard should serve as a foundation for trade between nations, and a "floor" of wage protections and worker's rights should be negotiated and set in place in future trade agreements. The United States should take the lead on this front - and not allow destructive, corporate predatory practices under the guise of "free" international trade.
This is a living wage, not a MAXIMUM wage. Please, get your facts straight before blurting out a rumor that's not true...The absentee ballot came last week and I sent it out, with a big ol' X by Ralph Nader's name.
Absentee ballots are so easy to obtain, if you really can't get to the election on the 7th, it may not be too late to get an absentee ballot, by not voting, it's not really a form of protest, it's just emphasizing the laziness of our generation. Sure, I know Ralph Nader won't win, but atleast I'm not letting others decide for me.
Whatever you do though, don't try to sell your ballot like here. This website was hawking absentee ballots....
My home state, Vermont, legalized "civil-unions", giving many of the same privledges (but not all) as a marriage to gay and lesbian couples.
Right now there is a great deal of hate being spread around my state with people who don't agree with it. They started a campaign "Take Back Vermont", in order to, supposedly, take Vermont back to it's "roots". To me, this against what Vermont is about, once our own Union before joining the US, it's always been for equal rights, respect, and understanding.
I went to a local fair a few weeks ago, and just for showing my support for the civil unions law, I was continually harassed, told to "go back to California" (when I've lived in Vermont all my life), called a dyke and lesbian (though I am a heterosexual woman), purposely run into by "innocent" bystanders, all for wanting the same rights for gays that I will enjoy should I ever get married. I was also told that "shit is for spreading on fields, not for packing".
Pat Buchanan took it upon himself to come to Vermont this week and express his disgust for the Vermonters that support this bill, the ones that actually elected the officials and pushed for the bill, understanding that all Vermonters are equal, even in God's eyes. He was very demeaning and extremely anti-gay.
We that support the civil unions bill, we understand that not everyone has to accept gays, but what happened to RESPECT?
Thus, mny question is for Pat Buchanan- why does the Vermont Civil Unions bill affect you so that you feel it is ok to use such slanderous terms and support a slogan that is known in Vermont as a symbol of hate as that of "Take Back Vermont"? Are you not secure in your own sexuality? I want to take Vermont back myself, to a time when it was an open and respectful state that always valued EVERYONES rights, not just a certain group's...