TDP has remained constant but actual throughput and power has increased dramatically. The 6 core I'm running now has the same TDP as the dual core I bought years ago. I guarantee my 6 core runs circles around the dual core. So I think the rule still holds true.
That's a theoretical market. In reality, just as with communism, the theoretical model doesn't last for a second. As soon as you start implementing a market like that, people pool money and power and it consolidates itself into a monopoly. Happens every time. It's why the only way to keep a market "free" is to regulate it to prevent monopolies from forming.
You haven't seen what happens to these societies when their resources start to dry up. All of these primitive societies thrive only because the young and healthy people get first choice. When there is enough to go around, the old and sick get some. When there isn't, they get nothing. You don't starve the guys who go out and bring back the food just so the old matron can have a bite. That's how those cultures work. And that's not communism by a long stretch.
I know you think you're being clever by rewording my statements. But if you read all my posts you'll see that I already stated this obvious fact. But thanks for playing.
That's true as well. A truly free market degenerates to a monopoly every time. And that's not a free market. Again, it happens for the same reason true communism can never be implemented. Human greed.
When did we ever live in a "true communism"? We evolved from societies where the strong survived and the weak died off. The notion of fighting for the weak and treating everyone equally is a relatively modern concept. And we haven't lived in a "true communism" since recorded history started. Our ancestors were the antithesis of "true communism".
I didn't say there was no value in his philosophy. I said that talking about implementing it in the real world has no value because it cannot happen. But that doesn't mean we can't learn anything from his ideas.
You philosophical types need to learn that the world is not just black and white. The reality is that the world is shades of gray. Just because you can't get all of something doesn't mean that the only other choice is to get nothing. You can get part of it and it still may have value.
Seems like we should actually see real communism in action before we dismiss it as being a failure. The question is, will a society ever mature enough and be enlightened enough to actually try it?
You can talk about theoretical models that can never be implemented in the real world all you want. That and $10 will get you a cup of coffee in the coffee houses where people talk about that kind of drivel.
Here in the real world, we talk about the reality of actually doing things. And that means that we have to deal with the realities of human nature. We don't waste time talking about "what if" scenarios that wouldn't last 2 seconds in the real world.
This is the sad reality that the people who espouse theoretical communism either never think about or attempt to reject out of hand. But it is exactly what prevents the theoretical model of communism from ever being attempted. As soon as you have two people starting it, the greed and corruption starts.
In unregulated capitalism, the power brokers can set the cost of entry so high that people do not have the choice to start their own business. Monopoly power, left unchecked, is no different than the concentrated power of the ruling elite of a communist nation.
The fundamental flaw in Communism is human nature. Humans are corrupted by money and power. True communism can never be free from that corruption no matter what the scale. Even a small community eventually sees the inequities build and the exploitation start.
Then again, pure capitalism suffers that fatal flaw as well. The corruption of money and power allow capitalists to exploit people just the same.
And, of course, this problem of money and power going hand-in-hand with corruption is the fatal flaw of just about every political and economic system. There's really no way to solve it. You can expose it. You can fight it. But in the end, the golden rule always wins through. "He who has the gold makes the rules".
Not necessarily. The smaller die usually means shorter paths through the chip (less resistance so less heat). Also, you can generally get higher speeds with less voltage (within reason). Less voltage generates less heat. And that's the whole point to smaller die sizes. Faster speeds, less power draw, lower heat generation.
It's more complicated than that. As you shrink die size, you have to fight all sorts of things that bleed current through paths its not intended to go. As you increase frequency, you have to increase voltage to make it work. As you increase voltage, you increase the bleed through. The better you are at fabbing a particular die size, the less bleed through you have and the more you can crank up the voltage and frequency. That's what they were talking about when they discuss AMD's problems getting their cores up to competitive speeds.
As they get more experience in 32nm, AMD will get better yields. Trouble is, they're behind in the race. While they're messing around with 32nm, Intel is forging ahead with their work, constantly staying ahead. But this isn't all bad. Without AMD nipping at Intel's heels, they wouldn't have any incentive to keep up the pace in development and we'd be stuck with slow, hot Itaniums.
Don't forget about the massive disease outbreaks. With so many more people living in squalor, there's going to be a lot more death by disease than ever before. A major outbreak of a new strain of influenza could wipe out millions all on its own.
Women might spend an hour a day in the bathroom, but what straight man does? 10 mins shower, 2 mins brushing teeth, 5 mins shaving and maybe 5 mins taking a crap.
Speaking as someone who has been on this earth for many years, that last activity takes longer the older you become...
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TDP has remained constant but actual throughput and power has increased dramatically. The 6 core I'm running now has the same TDP as the dual core I bought years ago. I guarantee my 6 core runs circles around the dual core. So I think the rule still holds true.
That's a theoretical market. In reality, just as with communism, the theoretical model doesn't last for a second. As soon as you start implementing a market like that, people pool money and power and it consolidates itself into a monopoly. Happens every time. It's why the only way to keep a market "free" is to regulate it to prevent monopolies from forming.
Read that again. I said "walk TO the moon".
You haven't seen what happens to these societies when their resources start to dry up. All of these primitive societies thrive only because the young and healthy people get first choice. When there is enough to go around, the old and sick get some. When there isn't, they get nothing. You don't starve the guys who go out and bring back the food just so the old matron can have a bite. That's how those cultures work. And that's not communism by a long stretch.
I'm just curious how you would propose to change human nature along these lines...
I know you think you're being clever by rewording my statements. But if you read all my posts you'll see that I already stated this obvious fact. But thanks for playing.
That's true as well. A truly free market degenerates to a monopoly every time. And that's not a free market. Again, it happens for the same reason true communism can never be implemented. Human greed.
When did we ever live in a "true communism"? We evolved from societies where the strong survived and the weak died off. The notion of fighting for the weak and treating everyone equally is a relatively modern concept. And we haven't lived in a "true communism" since recorded history started. Our ancestors were the antithesis of "true communism".
Not exclusively, no.
I didn't say there was no value in his philosophy. I said that talking about implementing it in the real world has no value because it cannot happen. But that doesn't mean we can't learn anything from his ideas.
You philosophical types need to learn that the world is not just black and white. The reality is that the world is shades of gray. Just because you can't get all of something doesn't mean that the only other choice is to get nothing. You can get part of it and it still may have value.
Seems like we should actually see real communism in action before we dismiss it as being a failure. The question is, will a society ever mature enough and be enlightened enough to actually try it?
In a word, no.
You can talk about theoretical models that can never be implemented in the real world all you want. That and $10 will get you a cup of coffee in the coffee houses where people talk about that kind of drivel.
Here in the real world, we talk about the reality of actually doing things. And that means that we have to deal with the realities of human nature. We don't waste time talking about "what if" scenarios that wouldn't last 2 seconds in the real world.
This is the sad reality that the people who espouse theoretical communism either never think about or attempt to reject out of hand. But it is exactly what prevents the theoretical model of communism from ever being attempted. As soon as you have two people starting it, the greed and corruption starts.
It's amazing how so many people cling to the delusion that it is possible to implement theoretical communism. It's just not possible.
There is no way to implement what Marx theorized about. That's the whole point. Once the theory hits the real world, human nature screws it up.
Exactly!
In unregulated capitalism, the power brokers can set the cost of entry so high that people do not have the choice to start their own business. Monopoly power, left unchecked, is no different than the concentrated power of the ruling elite of a communist nation.
But there needs to be some way to prevent capital from influencing politics, especially in a democracy.
Yeah, let me know how that works out for you...
I bet it would be easier to figure out how to walk to the moon.
And yet under communist rule there are still wealthy power brokers who know how to game the system for their own profit.
The fundamental flaw in Communism is human nature. Humans are corrupted by money and power. True communism can never be free from that corruption no matter what the scale. Even a small community eventually sees the inequities build and the exploitation start.
Then again, pure capitalism suffers that fatal flaw as well. The corruption of money and power allow capitalists to exploit people just the same.
And, of course, this problem of money and power going hand-in-hand with corruption is the fatal flaw of just about every political and economic system. There's really no way to solve it. You can expose it. You can fight it. But in the end, the golden rule always wins through. "He who has the gold makes the rules".
Not necessarily. The smaller die usually means shorter paths through the chip (less resistance so less heat). Also, you can generally get higher speeds with less voltage (within reason). Less voltage generates less heat. And that's the whole point to smaller die sizes. Faster speeds, less power draw, lower heat generation.
It's more complicated than that. As you shrink die size, you have to fight all sorts of things that bleed current through paths its not intended to go. As you increase frequency, you have to increase voltage to make it work. As you increase voltage, you increase the bleed through. The better you are at fabbing a particular die size, the less bleed through you have and the more you can crank up the voltage and frequency. That's what they were talking about when they discuss AMD's problems getting their cores up to competitive speeds.
As they get more experience in 32nm, AMD will get better yields. Trouble is, they're behind in the race. While they're messing around with 32nm, Intel is forging ahead with their work, constantly staying ahead. But this isn't all bad. Without AMD nipping at Intel's heels, they wouldn't have any incentive to keep up the pace in development and we'd be stuck with slow, hot Itaniums.
We'll probably get it. Diseases worse than influenza will probably appear over the next few years.
Don't forget about the massive disease outbreaks. With so many more people living in squalor, there's going to be a lot more death by disease than ever before. A major outbreak of a new strain of influenza could wipe out millions all on its own.
Women might spend an hour a day in the bathroom, but what straight man does? 10 mins shower, 2 mins brushing teeth, 5 mins shaving and maybe 5 mins taking a crap.
Speaking as someone who has been on this earth for many years, that last activity takes longer the older you become...