A Library is a public facility payed for by Taxpayer dollars. You confuse "censoring" or "controlling" the content available in the Library to censoring the internet.
Some groups advocate removing porn from Libraries. That doesn't mean it's off the web.
Well... if you're pro Nader and Bradley you would think I prop Bush too high.
Personally I think they're both Anti-Capitalist... Progressive Socialists, and so is Gore, he's just in costume at the moment.
He is pandering to the uninformed, but without any reliable data to back up his claim about the internet, he moves on to another argument
He's not moving on to another arguement is my point. He's answering the question that was asked. He brought up Columbine in an effort to neutralize Gore on it since it's one of the Administrations favorite issues to demagogue. He only references "the internet" to illustrate it as an excuse that OTHERS use to ignore the larger issue of the moral morass we've slipped into in this Country.
In the context of the question of gun violence, Bush was stating that the problems are a result of a cultural crisis, and that the potential for disaster is already with a child if "the internet" causes them to take a life.
You said: Bush implied Wednesday night that the Net can, by itself, turn otherwise bright and youthful hearts dark, and even goad youth to murder
That's boldly inaccurate, therefore your entire premise is flawed. This is the second article on here today that misstates what Governor Bush said, so allow me to post the question and his answer in context.
From the 2nd Presidential Debate 10-11-2000
MR. LEHRER: Back to the question about the differences on gun control. What are they, Governor, from your point of view, between you and the vice president?
GOV. BUSH: Well, I'm not for photo licensing. But let me say something about Columbine.
MR. LEHRER: All right.
GOV. BUSH: And, listen, we've got gun laws. He says we ought to have gun-free schools. Everybody believes that. I'm sure every state in the unions got them. You can't carry a gun into a school. And there ought to be a consequence when you do carry a gun into a school.
But Columbine spoke to a larger issue, and it's really a matter of culture. It's a culture that somewhere along the line, we've begun to disrespect life, where a child can walk in and can have their heart turned dark as a result of being on the Internet, and walk in and decide to take somebody else's life. So gun laws are important, no question about it.
But so is loving children and, you know, character education classes, and faith-based programs being a part of after-school programs. Somebody -- some desperate child needs to have somebody put their arm around them and say, "We love you." And so there's a -- this is a society that -- of ours has got to do a better job of teaching children right from wrong.
And we can enforce law. But there seems to be a lot of preoccupation on -- not necessarily in this debate, but just in general, on law. But there's a larger law: Love your neighbor like you'd like to be loved yourself -- and that's where our society must head if we're going to be a peaceful and prosperous society.
BUSH is practically exculpating the internet! He is saying that it's our culture/society (kids being neglected by parents, no respect for REAL human lives not 64 bit ones etc..) that causes violence, and something has gone wrong WHEN a "heart can turn dark" from video games, internet use etc...
Your censors in this election sit on the LEFT side of the aisle. If you are truly concerned about censorship and the First Amendment, you should familiarize yourself with Tipper Gore and Joe Lieberman. Conservatives "Conserve" the Constitution, Liberals treat it like a thread.
You might have an easier time if you read the first half of the sentence.
It's a culture that somewhere along the line we begun to disrespect life, where a child can walk in and have their heart turn dark as a result of being on the Internet, and walk in and decide to take somebody else's life."
Bush said:It's a culture that somewhere along the line we begun to disrespect life, where a child can walk in and have their heart turn dark as a result of being on the Internet, and walk in and decide to take somebody else's life."
It's obvious that Bush said it's the culture the kids are growing up in that causes them to go nuts from engaging in normal activities (such as using the internet or playing videogames).
If you elect Al Gorebachov and Joe LIEberman you'll have two of the biggest censors in the Country, Liberman and Tipper trying to label music, software, web sites....
But they'll continue to rake in millions from Hollywood.
The end result will be selective censorship, depending on who donates to the DNC.
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Some groups advocate removing porn from Libraries. That doesn't mean it's off the web.
Personally I think they're both Anti-Capitalist... Progressive Socialists, and so is Gore, he's just in costume at the moment.
He is pandering to the uninformed, but without any reliable data to back up his claim about the internet, he moves on to another argument
He's not moving on to another arguement is my point. He's answering the question that was asked. He brought up Columbine in an effort to neutralize Gore on it since it's one of the Administrations favorite issues to demagogue. He only references "the internet" to illustrate it as an excuse that OTHERS use to ignore the larger issue of the moral morass we've slipped into in this Country.
In the context of the question of gun violence, Bush was stating that the problems are a result of a cultural crisis, and that the potential for disaster is already with a child if "the internet" causes them to take a life.
Not that I'm going to convert you, but here's the link to Bush's Issue page on Technology and the New Economy
P.S. Vote Nadar - Please! Encourage all of your Democrat friends to do the same!
That's boldly inaccurate, therefore your entire premise is flawed. This is the second article on here today that misstates what Governor Bush said, so allow me to post the question and his answer in context.
From the 2nd Presidential Debate 10-11-2000
MR. LEHRER: Back to the question about the differences on gun control. What are they, Governor, from your point of view, between you and the vice president?
GOV. BUSH: Well, I'm not for photo licensing. But let me say something about Columbine.
MR. LEHRER: All right.
GOV. BUSH: And, listen, we've got gun laws. He says we ought to have gun-free schools. Everybody believes that. I'm sure every state in the unions got them. You can't carry a gun into a school. And there ought to be a consequence when you do carry a gun into a school.
But Columbine spoke to a larger issue, and it's really a matter of culture. It's a culture that somewhere along the line, we've begun to disrespect life, where a child can walk in and can have their heart turned dark as a result of being on the Internet, and walk in and decide to take somebody else's life. So gun laws are important, no question about it.
But so is loving children and, you know, character education classes, and faith-based programs being a part of after-school programs. Somebody -- some desperate child needs to have somebody put their arm around them and say, "We love you." And so there's a -- this is a society that -- of ours has got to do a better job of teaching children right from wrong.
And we can enforce law. But there seems to be a lot of preoccupation on -- not necessarily in this debate, but just in general, on law. But there's a larger law: Love your neighbor like you'd like to be loved yourself -- and that's where our society must head if we're going to be a peaceful and prosperous society.
BUSH is practically exculpating the internet! He is saying that it's our culture/society (kids being neglected by parents, no respect for REAL human lives not 64 bit ones etc..) that causes violence, and something has gone wrong WHEN a "heart can turn dark" from video games, internet use etc...
Your censors in this election sit on the LEFT side of the aisle. If you are truly concerned about censorship and the First Amendment, you should familiarize yourself with Tipper Gore and Joe Lieberman. Conservatives "Conserve" the Constitution, Liberals treat it like a thread.
It's a culture that somewhere along the line we begun to disrespect life, where a child can walk in and have their heart turn dark as a result of being on the Internet, and walk in and decide to take somebody else's life."
It's obvious that Bush said it's the culture the kids are growing up in that causes them to go nuts from engaging in normal activities (such as using the internet or playing videogames).
If you elect Al Gorebachov and Joe LIEberman you'll have two of the biggest censors in the Country, Liberman and Tipper trying to label music, software, web sites....
But they'll continue to rake in millions from Hollywood.
The end result will be selective censorship, depending on who donates to the DNC.