If we insult,
If we have secrets,
If we ask for money,
If we fear,
If we ban,
We emulate Scientology's methods.
We can stand for the truth as we find it, shine light on it, and those of us who have found the way out, can point toward Jesus. Prayer is much more useful than any of the other methods I just listed. True prayer requires you to be humble, admitting that you can't solve the problem with your own abilities...
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Fear is not an operable solution in ANY situation. Be very informed. Realize that these kinds of things have been going on for thousands of years, and they ain't stopped us yet.
Be full of faith, seek truth, and stand for it when you find it.
People who fear God are in on the secret that fear of God is love of one's neighbor. That would be the only fear worth advocating...
Open Source it. It is a very interesting exercise to study a piece of literature such as this, with fragments of the algorithms which created it running through my head. This is a paradigm shift. I can see why your girlfriend is jealous. Thanks.
We develop for wireless handheld computers used in warehouses which access a mainframe via middleware.
Few people in this industry want to invest in a GUI interface, and won't for probably another decade or so. The screen is 15 x 15 (characters) and what we do works well: receive shipments, send shipments, move shipments, etcs.
TUI is going to be around for a long time yet. We use Perl and VB. We'd migrate to Linux in a second, if customers would buy it. Given time, they will. But for now, we use Win32...
Curses on curses. We're developing a text-based UI from scratch in Perl using Win32:Console. Curses didn't work for us. Win32::Console works great, now that we got the up arrow moving the cursor to the previous field...
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Simple answer: Yes. When? Do you have the time to make a port?
Yes, Kierkegaard did really say that
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I've seen another translation of the same thought; he wrote in Danish. Something like "People seek freedom of speech when they can't even handle freedom of mind yet." Kierkegaard is full of those kinds of things. Seems like it's from Papers from One Still Living, if I recall correctly, his first publication.
Nope. Look at Perl 7...
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It's Perl 7 that will finalize this whole shebang. Six is just another run through the same washing machine. Different water and soap, but same old clothes.
Python enthusiasts drive me away, for some reason. Perl enthusiasts invite. That's why I choose Perl. I don't give a damn bout your pseudo complex namespaces being preempted. Perl is fun.
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As a non language-specialist who DEEPLY loves language in all forms, I read through the Apocalypse 2, couldn't believe my ears when I saw him refer to Apocalypse 26. You mean we're gonna be reading these things 24 more times?
By the way, where do you put the hyphen in non-language specialist?
The Apocalypses so far are really useful. It's kinda cool because I get to see a language being created and modified before my eyes, learning all kinds of jargon words (what the hell does syntax mean:-)) that are way over my head, nodding my head when I see the ones that do make sense.
This Apocalypse dialogue that Larry is doing is new to me; I never saw anything like it before, though that may just mean I'm a newbie. Other Open Source projects out there are usually so far over my head, and I'm busing USING them, not yet to the point where I got enough smarts to CREATE them, that I miss out on all the stuff the experts talk about. This Apocalypse dialogue gives me a chance to read through the process of transforming a language, to understand that tweaking a little thing here affects all kinds of things over there, in a high-level sort of way. I'm not getting bogged down in details of actually knowing how to write a compiler, yet I'm able to soak in all kinds of concepts that are otherwise outta my feeble grasp.
On an unrelated note, I heard about Perl for years. Finally I've become a Perl programmer (I choose my languages quite carefully, because I recognize that I eat, sleep, breathe, and drink in that language for quite awhile), and I'm glad of it. What drew me in to Perl was the fact that every time it was mentioned, the person got a fanatical glint in their eye--but it was not a "for geeks only" glint. Kuro5hin, for example, I've never visited that site because EVERY single time I see it mentioned, its by some "we're better than you" advocate, and I have no interest in supporting that kind of mentality. I find now I like Perl cuz Larry Wall is insane, and so am I--he legitimizes some of my own insanity, cuz of the way he rambles on inside of his own head as if no one else were listening, and yet all the while keenly aware of all his observers...
Damn near broke my crutch hobblin around the room laughing at that one... Every time I go to one of these here rallies where all the white folk are gesticulating about WTO beatin up on poor folk in some other country, I canna help but think, "Wheres the black folks?"
No doubt of it, America's a distinctly segregated country, still. It's nice, in that there really is a very distinct Black language and a distinct White one. I love listening to hip-hop because it widens my vocabulary in leaps and bounds, but it's no fun when we get into all these "oreo" labels because black folk trying to be white, or the other way around, with big long politically-correct "South-Central-Urupean-American" titles coming out on a monthly basis for us to keep up with.
I'm all for throwing lots of African-American words in. Only thing is, better not let any white people use the 'nigga' word. Only Blacks can use it:
if word up {
f_ this shit;
}
elsif whatsup {
print 'what did i tell you before?'
if (da nigga == a real nigga);
}
I'm quite serious. We infuse Perl 6 with brotha words? Gonna bring lots of African Americans into the programming world. Let's do it!
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You believe in _what?????_.
Don't hate or love 6 before it appears. It might suck. Then you'd be a liar.
$Perl != $Larry_Wall.
However, ($Perl = $Fascinating) and ($Larry_Wall = $Fascinating);
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Yes but it appears he has the capacity to pull it off. I say, let's see what Perl 5++ looks like. I'm having fun with Perl 5, and can't wait to see what paradigm shifts come with Perl 6.
'Pursue the Good long enough, and the Bad makes you yawn.' This is not a Christian belief, because it excludes the leap of faith Kierkegaard mentioned. The leap of faith means that we believe no matter how much we pursue the Good, we'll never get there. Our minds are finite, and Good is infinite.
Faith, repentance, baptism, and the gift of the Holy Spirit. Anything else is not Christian.
Applauding capitalism is like applauding a pig for finding a truffle. Pigs find truffles by nature. Applauding a pig for speaking proper English, now that would be something worth applauding.
Close-minded Christians are no different than close-minded anything else. The difference is that Christianity provides a reliable tool to overcome close-mindedness. Surely you are not calling Jesus close-minded? He is our example, not our failing, mortal, neighbors, toward whom we are to express love.
LaVey came and went. Houdini has more credibility than him; at least he was honest about his escapism.
xtian any relation to ximian?
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Yeah, and as soon as someone ties their pet religion in with a post no one can contradict it because (a) it's not politically correct and (b) the xtian moderators are scared that they will go to hell.
Scientologists: Ya get a bad rap here on/. because you like secrets, and/. is all about Open Source. The problem with secrets is that they are so easy to attach to money or power, yet eventually ALL secrets are unraveled, and it becomes clear that the money was falsely derived. The value in Christianity (which I do not expect you to understand, since L. Ron called himself the antiChrist) is that it is based on things a little less visible than money, but a whole lot more tangible. Like humility, honesty, service, charity, and, as you can see by my.sig, the complete lack of secrecy (except in prayer to God which is sacred and should not be defiled by presentation in the common marketplace).
Anyway, the point is, while you may think about such cumbersome issues as whether it is politically correct or not, Christians are free to realize that contradicting another person's religion simply gives permission for others to contradict ours. Since ours is a religion of invitation, not jihad, we must be careful never to insult others.
As for being scared of going to hell for moderating someone anti-Christian, there should be no fear of that, if we do it in the name of Jesus Christ, and with prayer before acting. That doesn't relieve us of responsibility, but it cultivates hunger for relationship with God.
Moderation by prayer alone, now that would be an interesting idea...
Hmmm, it would work like this: if I saw a post I didn't like, my only recourse would be to pray so that other posts like it would be diverted from appearing. Can't change history, but prayer has tremendous effects on the future...
Smack dab in the middle of the bible belt
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As one who hails from the bible belt, I am pleased to say that the idea of a distinction between true christians and false christians has many adherents; Kierkegaard refused to call himself Christian for this reason, though any close perusal of his life reveals that he was nearly as Christian as Paul. Abraham Lincoln was clear about the fact that he did not consider himself a Christian, by the common definition, as was Thomas Jefferson. Yet their work within and reliance upon Christianity is undisputed, Lincoln never abandoned the Holy Scriptures, and Jefferson wrote an entirely new translation of portions of the New Testament.
So, the fact that you distinguish between Christians and fake Christians is not new. The question is, what do you do with that information, what do you as an individual do with it? Do you judge others, or serve them... that's what it comes down to, as Jesus revealed in his last hours.
Look at the book. What differentiates a Christian from a non-Christian is how he responds to calls such as "Let your light so shine before the world that men may see your good works and glorify our father in heaven."
If your work draws glory to yourself, such as calling yourself "intelligent and open minded" then you are receiving your reward right here on earth. Christianity, and nearly all religions, contains the premise that the fruit of heaven is more worth pursuing than the fruit of earth. Christianity provides a gentle method of transformation between the two mindsets.
We here in the bible belt don't like people calling themselves Christians who also call themselves intelligent and open-minded. Why? Because we are called to humility, to be "in the world, not of it," not to be "in the world, and of it."
It should have a GPS built into it. Then ya can use it, and this use alone will sell billions of 'em, to find buses, trains, and &tcs when you're in a strange city.
I geeked out on the Internet when I was about 20 years old, from 1988 to about 1994. Right about when NCSA Mosaic came out, I got a real life. Now, I'm back after six years in the hole, and I find myself really benefitting from the period of geeking that I did.
I certainly didn't get caught up in the dotcom explosion and collapse, BECAUSE I'd already seen such things come and go years before. Years ago, I could sift through a couple hundred e-mails every day, no problem. I developed a keen ability to prioritize degrees of BS, in fact. Now, I try to keep my e-mails down to less than five messages a day, because I've got a life. But that same keen ability to prioritize BS keeps me from getting excited by ANY degree of spam, which people around me fall for left and right.
My point is that the long-term effects of geeking can be more beneficial than y'might think at the time. Back in the day, I was failing classes and annoying girlfriends left and right. Now... they pay me for it. Hmmm....
It's all about what "elegance" means. Different programmers have different standards, but elegance is generally a pursuit of ease of content delivery. The first example is verbose. It is nearly human, the way it says "Uh-oh" and gives ya lots of information in a chatty way about what happened, even pointing you toward the solution. The second example is something appealing to a computer, and it scares the heck out of non-programmers.
The art of writing programs expressively is the poetry of programming. This is more than simply writing useful code. We have all worked with dozens of software packages, and yet have only a small handful that were designed so unobtrusively, they are a delight to use. For example, a small screen capture program I use, SnagIt, is one of the best programs I've ever used, because it does its job without getting in my way. Yet it is extremely powerful, allowing me all kinds of options _if I want to use them_. Likewise, ThumbsPlus is a program with millions of tiny settings, so unique-ifiable that I s'pose I could use it to determine ephemeris settings for the moon rise in 2025 if I needed it, yet it is an image catalogue. These are pieces of software so fun to use that there is no CHORE involved in using them--I'm always curious to see what new thing the author put into the program, and that's a whole level of poetry. I liken the experience of delight using Teleport Pro (an offline browser-spider) to the delight of watching a sunset. Call me weird, but it excites the same impulses of rapture and fancy in me...
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If we have secrets,
If we ask for money,
If we fear,
If we ban,
We emulate Scientology's methods.
We can stand for the truth as we find it, shine light on it, and those of us who have found the way out, can point toward Jesus. Prayer is much more useful than any of the other methods I just listed. True prayer requires you to be humble, admitting that you can't solve the problem with your own abilities...
Be full of faith, seek truth, and stand for it when you find it.
People who fear God are in on the secret that fear of God is love of one's neighbor. That would be the only fear worth advocating...
Open Source it. It is a very interesting exercise to study a piece of literature such as this, with fragments of the algorithms which created it running through my head. This is a paradigm shift. I can see why your girlfriend is jealous. Thanks.
Hmmm. Now there's a lesson in using the preview button.
Few people in this industry want to invest in a GUI interface, and won't for probably another decade or so. The screen is 15 x 15 (characters) and what we do works well: receive shipments, send shipments, move shipments, etcs.
TUI is going to be around for a long time yet. We use Perl and VB. We'd migrate to Linux in a second, if customers would buy it. Given time, they will. But for now, we use Win32...
Curses on curses. We're developing a text-based UI from scratch in Perl using Win32:Console. Curses didn't work for us. Win32::Console works great, now that we got the up arrow moving the cursor to the previous field...
Actually, it's pretty apparent to the rest of us.
Simple answer: Yes. When? Do you have the time to make a port?
I've seen another translation of the same thought; he wrote in Danish. Something like "People seek freedom of speech when they can't even handle freedom of mind yet." Kierkegaard is full of those kinds of things. Seems like it's from Papers from One Still Living, if I recall correctly, his first publication.
http://dev.perl.org/rfc/141.html
It's Perl 7 that will finalize this whole shebang. Six is just another run through the same washing machine. Different water and soap, but same old clothes.
Python enthusiasts drive me away, for some reason. Perl enthusiasts invite. That's why I choose Perl. I don't give a damn bout your pseudo complex namespaces being preempted. Perl is fun.
By the way, where do you put the hyphen in non-language specialist?
The Apocalypses so far are really useful. It's kinda cool because I get to see a language being created and modified before my eyes, learning all kinds of jargon words (what the hell does syntax mean :-)) that are way over my head, nodding my head when I see the ones that do make sense.
This Apocalypse dialogue that Larry is doing is new to me; I never saw anything like it before, though that may just mean I'm a newbie. Other Open Source projects out there are usually so far over my head, and I'm busing USING them, not yet to the point where I got enough smarts to CREATE them, that I miss out on all the stuff the experts talk about. This Apocalypse dialogue gives me a chance to read through the process of transforming a language, to understand that tweaking a little thing here affects all kinds of things over there, in a high-level sort of way. I'm not getting bogged down in details of actually knowing how to write a compiler, yet I'm able to soak in all kinds of concepts that are otherwise outta my feeble grasp.
On an unrelated note, I heard about Perl for years. Finally I've become a Perl programmer (I choose my languages quite carefully, because I recognize that I eat, sleep, breathe, and drink in that language for quite awhile), and I'm glad of it. What drew me in to Perl was the fact that every time it was mentioned, the person got a fanatical glint in their eye--but it was not a "for geeks only" glint. Kuro5hin, for example, I've never visited that site because EVERY single time I see it mentioned, its by some "we're better than you" advocate, and I have no interest in supporting that kind of mentality. I find now I like Perl cuz Larry Wall is insane, and so am I--he legitimizes some of my own insanity, cuz of the way he rambles on inside of his own head as if no one else were listening, and yet all the while keenly aware of all his observers...
grobblin grobblin grobblin...
No doubt of it, America's a distinctly segregated country, still. It's nice, in that there really is a very distinct Black language and a distinct White one. I love listening to hip-hop because it widens my vocabulary in leaps and bounds, but it's no fun when we get into all these "oreo" labels because black folk trying to be white, or the other way around, with big long politically-correct "South-Central-Urupean-American" titles coming out on a monthly basis for us to keep up with.
I'm all for throwing lots of African-American words in. Only thing is, better not let any white people use the 'nigga' word. Only Blacks can use it:
if word up {
f_ this shit;
}
elsif whatsup {
print 'what did i tell you before?'
if (da nigga == a real nigga);
}
I'm quite serious. We infuse Perl 6 with brotha words? Gonna bring lots of African Americans into the programming world. Let's do it!
Don't hate or love 6 before it appears. It might suck. Then you'd be a liar.
$Perl != $Larry_Wall.
However, ($Perl = $Fascinating) and ($Larry_Wall = $Fascinating);
Yes but it appears he has the capacity to pull it off. I say, let's see what Perl 5++ looks like. I'm having fun with Perl 5, and can't wait to see what paradigm shifts come with Perl 6.
As a Christian, as soon as someone says "As a non-Christian," I pay attention. Christians I know. It's the non-Christians who intrigue me.
Good heavens, do ya think he pulled the name 'Apocalypse' out of the Bhagavad-gita?
'Pursue the Good long enough, and the Bad makes you yawn.' This is not a Christian belief, because it excludes the leap of faith Kierkegaard mentioned. The leap of faith means that we believe no matter how much we pursue the Good, we'll never get there. Our minds are finite, and Good is infinite.
Faith, repentance, baptism, and the gift of the Holy Spirit. Anything else is not Christian.
Applauding capitalism is like applauding a pig for finding a truffle. Pigs find truffles by nature. Applauding a pig for speaking proper English, now that would be something worth applauding.
Close-minded Christians are no different than close-minded anything else. The difference is that Christianity provides a reliable tool to overcome close-mindedness. Surely you are not calling Jesus close-minded? He is our example, not our failing, mortal, neighbors, toward whom we are to express love.
LaVey came and went. Houdini has more credibility than him; at least he was honest about his escapism.
Scientologists: Ya get a bad rap here on /. because you like secrets, and /. is all about Open Source. The problem with secrets is that they are so easy to attach to money or power, yet eventually ALL secrets are unraveled, and it becomes clear that the money was falsely derived. The value in Christianity (which I do not expect you to understand, since L. Ron called himself the antiChrist) is that it is based on things a little less visible than money, but a whole lot more tangible. Like humility, honesty, service, charity, and, as you can see by my .sig, the complete lack of secrecy (except in prayer to God which is sacred and should not be defiled by presentation in the common marketplace).
Anyway, the point is, while you may think about such cumbersome issues as whether it is politically correct or not, Christians are free to realize that contradicting another person's religion simply gives permission for others to contradict ours. Since ours is a religion of invitation, not jihad, we must be careful never to insult others.
As for being scared of going to hell for moderating someone anti-Christian, there should be no fear of that, if we do it in the name of Jesus Christ, and with prayer before acting. That doesn't relieve us of responsibility, but it cultivates hunger for relationship with God.
Moderation by prayer alone, now that would be an interesting idea...
Hmmm, it would work like this: if I saw a post I didn't like, my only recourse would be to pray so that other posts like it would be diverted from appearing. Can't change history, but prayer has tremendous effects on the future...
So, the fact that you distinguish between Christians and fake Christians is not new. The question is, what do you do with that information, what do you as an individual do with it? Do you judge others, or serve them... that's what it comes down to, as Jesus revealed in his last hours.
Look at the book. What differentiates a Christian from a non-Christian is how he responds to calls such as "Let your light so shine before the world that men may see your good works and glorify our father in heaven."
If your work draws glory to yourself, such as calling yourself "intelligent and open minded" then you are receiving your reward right here on earth. Christianity, and nearly all religions, contains the premise that the fruit of heaven is more worth pursuing than the fruit of earth. Christianity provides a gentle method of transformation between the two mindsets.
We here in the bible belt don't like people calling themselves Christians who also call themselves intelligent and open-minded. Why? Because we are called to humility, to be "in the world, not of it," not to be "in the world, and of it."
Intelligence is a burden. Humbleness is a virtue.
Thanks. I'll use 'inheritance' in the future. See, it's already in the subject line. :-)
I certainly didn't get caught up in the dotcom explosion and collapse, BECAUSE I'd already seen such things come and go years before. Years ago, I could sift through a couple hundred e-mails every day, no problem. I developed a keen ability to prioritize degrees of BS, in fact. Now, I try to keep my e-mails down to less than five messages a day, because I've got a life. But that same keen ability to prioritize BS keeps me from getting excited by ANY degree of spam, which people around me fall for left and right.
My point is that the long-term effects of geeking can be more beneficial than y'might think at the time. Back in the day, I was failing classes and annoying girlfriends left and right. Now... they pay me for it. Hmmm....
You grumpin' again? Copyright law winds blow by the measure of hope in those who try to infringe it. Yer grumpin is distracting my hope.
# errornumber 1:
print " \
Uh oh! READINIT\[$errornumber\] Error in your
Check equal signs, whitespace, and values carefully: \
'$lookatthis' \
"
And here is the second one:
# errornumber 1:
print " \
[$errornumber\] Error.\
'$lookatthis' \
"
It's all about what "elegance" means. Different programmers have different standards, but elegance is generally a pursuit of ease of content delivery. The first example is verbose. It is nearly human, the way it says "Uh-oh" and gives ya lots of information in a chatty way about what happened, even pointing you toward the solution. The second example is something appealing to a computer, and it scares the heck out of non-programmers. The art of writing programs expressively is the poetry of programming. This is more than simply writing useful code. We have all worked with dozens of software packages, and yet have only a small handful that were designed so unobtrusively, they are a delight to use. For example, a small screen capture program I use, SnagIt, is one of the best programs I've ever used, because it does its job without getting in my way. Yet it is extremely powerful, allowing me all kinds of options _if I want to use them_. Likewise, ThumbsPlus is a program with millions of tiny settings, so unique-ifiable that I s'pose I could use it to determine ephemeris settings for the moon rise in 2025 if I needed it, yet it is an image catalogue. These are pieces of software so fun to use that there is no CHORE involved in using them--I'm always curious to see what new thing the author put into the program, and that's a whole level of poetry. I liken the experience of delight using Teleport Pro (an offline browser-spider) to the delight of watching a sunset. Call me weird, but it excites the same impulses of rapture and fancy in me...
Aye, programming is nothing BUT poetry to me.