What we don't need is people running around like headless chickens screaming 'omg dat aprache server got r00ted.. wher3s the sploit!' as 90% of Apache servers on the internet will be completely uneffected by it.
Isn't this what slashbot does when a Microsoft vulnerability comes out?
Hmm... Seems to me like you want to hide problems in the open source community, rather than be open and transparent about it.
I played with a number of these machines back then...
I'm not convinced by these arguments because what ultimately killed all these, was the lack of consumer demand. Primarily just because the technology was not there to make it compelling.
Palm's introduction in around 1996 pushed the pen computing idea more into the mainstream. But it didn't use handwriting recognition, instead relying upon a special way of writing. It wasn't until a few years later, say 2000 or so that handwriting recognition really started working.
I guess I would look at this similarly to voice recognition. Today there are a number of people that do it, and they are moderately successful but it's not ubiquitous because it's not particularly very good. In 5 years that will likely change. But in 5 years when they make this as part of Windows Farflung edition and everybody uses it... Will Dragon Speak and others come back and sue them for trying to bury them?
There are many Neat technologies invented over time. But sometimes it takes decades before they are realized in the consumer marketspace. For instance, Honda introduced variable valve technology into it's engines some 10-15 years ago, yet this had been around for 50 years or more... just not in consumer grocery getters. Does that make Honda a big meanie? Does that mean the guys who invented it were wronged?
Of course with an engine, you have patents to protect your innovation. It seems here that people are arguing that Go's ideas should have been protected by Software Patents.
I guess I'm not impressed with the lack of consistency displayed in slashbot logic.
When I think cluster, I think high-availability. You apparently are thinking beowulf. But for most of what I'd need to do calculations of that sort, grid computing would be a better solution.
IIS is already a better web server than Apache.
Windows Scripting Host already offers better scripting language capabilities than/bin/sh. What you really meant to say here was a better shell.
Sorry, I just have a hard time not responding when people are spewing fud.
This is a good point, and it's a wonderful example of why dogmatic restricting yourself to standards is bad for the industry.
If Microsoft had not done this, and shown the utility of the technology, it is doubtful that Mozilla and others would have the technology now, reducing our choices as developers.
I create my own music by the way, music is not and never will be a product to me. The fact that music is a product to you and not an art shows me you arent an artist.
What a ridiculous load of dung.
If you create your own music, then no worries. You don't need the product others are creating, and if you'd stop listening to it the melodies wouldn't be repeated in your own music.
They have a mindset that capital expenditures cost money, but human labor is free.
So to them, it'd be much cheaper to have this guy spend the next two years writing his own firewall software than for them to spend a couple grand buying a Nokia Checkpoint-1 appliance.
I just find it amazing. For years people made their own music with instruments of their own creation. Then some people got together and created a way to record music and sell it, and now suddenly leaches such as yourself feel you have a right to take their product for free.
The moral of the story being... You would not even want their product if it wasn't for the fact that they put the time and effort in to market the damn thing.
Go make yourself a drum and create your own music. You don't need the product they offer. You just think you do because you are a sheeple.
I don't believe that the lawsuit had to do with the existence of Linux. Really Linux and BSD both fell into the world of i386 about the same time period... starting in 1991 or so. There'd been Unix on i386 for years, since Microsoft ported System V back around 1980 or so calling it Xenix, but it wasn't cheap and until the advent of the 486 processors the machines to run it weren't very affordable either. The BSDi commercial version was substantially cheaper at $1,000.
However, where the lawsuit did impact BSD was in scaring developers away. There was a lot of uncertainty about the code base which was not resolved until 1994, and as such efforts went more into Linux.
I first started using Linux in late 1992(SLS release, I recall the kernel was at 0.10 and XFree86 had just been ported and it barely did anything on my 386sx16), and I did try to use FreeBSD back in '94 timeframe, and I recall it being a pain, mainly cause so much was missing to make install easy, etc.
I'd have to say that you are both right, but Theo is more right. The issues that you are complaining about are mindshare related, and Theo's point was that the lawsuit scared mindshare away from BSD. That is, BSD was substantially further ahead as a code base when Linux was starting up. Had there not been that uncertainty, I suspect more development effort would have gone down the BSD path than starting out from scratch with Linux.
A lot of good points made, especially on being able to reproduce the test results, etc.
But his example just indicates he has an axe to grind. The color bias thing is just bogus. His complaints about the readability of the graph seem to miss the point that graphs show trends, tables show individual points.
I've seen far worse graphs, where they cut out entire sections of the y-axis to show you a remarkable graph where 98 is a whole lot higher than 94 because they're not showing you 1-90.
Which serves a useful lesson. Just because you don't like the results of a study, doesn't mean the study was done badly.
"Our goal is to provide our customers with the best personal computers in the world, and looking ahead Intel has the strongest processor roadmap by far"
My guess is IBM told Apple that they are not going to be creating new PowerPCs chips useful for desktop workstations, and are instead going a different direction with the platform... i.e. maybe to support parallel processing efforts, like the Cell chip in the PS3, etc.
Faced with no long term vision that works for their needs, they had to switch to the only other alternative.
That is, it isn't supply, but product lifecycle that influenced the decision.
My ex-girlfriend decided when she moved to this country that she should prepare for a job in IT. So she went to this school that promised to train her.
For two years she had beat into her head "Microsoft sucks. Everybody uses Linux. blah blah blah"
Fortunately she was able to get a job as a staff Accountant entering in invoices.
What's the purpose of this class? The idea of "complex website" is not well defined.
I would think a discussion of complex websites would first start with a discussion of n-tier development... seperation of business tier from data tier and UI tier. Those are the issues that most web teams deal with at corporate levels.
Transaction management, state management... other issues like this with web development.
These are all concepts, not technologies. Certainly there are some technology directions for say UI, such as CSS or Javascript that need to be mentioned as examples. And you can bring up examples from J2EE,.NET, LAMP, etc. for discussions about backend stuff.
Back when I was in ComSci my professors taught concepts, not technologies. I don't understand at all where you are coming from with your main requirements being you need to pimp PHP and mySQL.
Interesting question. The Queen owns countless estates, castles and priceless works of art and historical artifacts. But the wealth really doesn't belong to her. She's a steward who takes care of it.
But if the Queen decided tomorrow "I am going to put Buckingham Palace up for sale on ebay", she wouldn't get very far.
If Bill Gates decided to sell his house, he could do so.
Now even so, the salary that the Queen makes yearly in order to handle this wealth is still more than I'd make in a lifetime, and by that factor she's still very wealthy. But she's not quite like Bill Gates. Then again, the Queen has a much stronger government lobby than Gates does, so I guess it depends...:-)
Clearly this is the dinstinction that someone was trying to make, but because you were so unwilling to lose the argument you refused to listen to the points he was making.
Well it is Mary Jo Foley after all, who is hardly ever credible in her accusations that Microsoft has failed.
I think it results from her lack of technical understanding. It's like accusing Honda of failing because their new cars won't fly like we were all promised in the 1950s.
greater the pool of software companies, the more of a demand there will be for labor, which should drive salaries up.
Unfortunately, low-paying organizations do poorly in competition with high-paying ones, but they do not have to do badly if the high-paying ones are banned. So the Chinese govt, in their own self interest to keep software prices low can place salary caps on the programmers.
That's one of the benefits of being a Totalitarian State.
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Isn't this what slashbot does when a Microsoft vulnerability comes out?
Hmm... Seems to me like you want to hide problems in the open source community, rather than be open and transparent about it.
Slashbot refers to the editorial opinion of the site, along with the sheep who bleet it over and over.
I played with a number of these machines back then...
I'm not convinced by these arguments because what ultimately killed all these, was the lack of consumer demand. Primarily just because the technology was not there to make it compelling.
Palm's introduction in around 1996 pushed the pen computing idea more into the mainstream. But it didn't use handwriting recognition, instead relying upon a special way of writing. It wasn't until a few years later, say 2000 or so that handwriting recognition really started working.
I guess I would look at this similarly to voice recognition. Today there are a number of people that do it, and they are moderately successful but it's not ubiquitous because it's not particularly very good. In 5 years that will likely change. But in 5 years when they make this as part of Windows Farflung edition and everybody uses it... Will Dragon Speak and others come back and sue them for trying to bury them?
There are many Neat technologies invented over time. But sometimes it takes decades before they are realized in the consumer marketspace. For instance, Honda introduced variable valve technology into it's engines some 10-15 years ago, yet this had been around for 50 years or more... just not in consumer grocery getters. Does that make Honda a big meanie? Does that mean the guys who invented it were wronged?
Of course with an engine, you have patents to protect your innovation. It seems here that people are arguing that Go's ideas should have been protected by Software Patents.
I guess I'm not impressed with the lack of consistency displayed in slashbot logic.
When I think cluster, I think high-availability. You apparently are thinking beowulf. But for most of what I'd need to do calculations of that sort, grid computing would be a better solution.
IIS is already a better web server than Apache.
Windows Scripting Host already offers better scripting language capabilities than
Sorry, I just have a hard time not responding when people are spewing fud.
LOL!
It's funny watching Republicans bashing big-business.
couldn't find a different link than the freeper site?
This is a good point, and it's a wonderful example of why dogmatic restricting yourself to standards is bad for the industry.
If Microsoft had not done this, and shown the utility of the technology, it is doubtful that Mozilla and others would have the technology now, reducing our choices as developers.
I got my 'Senior Programmer' title out of a box of cracker jacks.
I create my own music by the way, music is not and never will be a product to me. The fact that music is a product to you and not an art shows me you arent an artist.
What a ridiculous load of dung.
If you create your own music, then no worries. You don't need the product others are creating, and if you'd stop listening to it the melodies wouldn't be repeated in your own music.
They have a mindset that capital expenditures cost money, but human labor is free.
So to them, it'd be much cheaper to have this guy spend the next two years writing his own firewall software than for them to spend a couple grand buying a Nokia Checkpoint-1 appliance.
I just find it amazing. For years people made their own music with instruments of their own creation. Then some people got together and created a way to record music and sell it, and now suddenly leaches such as yourself feel you have a right to take their product for free.
The moral of the story being... You would not even want their product if it wasn't for the fact that they put the time and effort in to market the damn thing.
Go make yourself a drum and create your own music. You don't need the product they offer. You just think you do because you are a sheeple.
Actually most of the content of Wikipedia is in fact editorial. How can you do an article about Josef Stalin without introducing editorial?
I don't believe that the lawsuit had to do with the existence of Linux. Really Linux and BSD both fell into the world of i386 about the same time period... starting in 1991 or so. There'd been Unix on i386 for years, since Microsoft ported System V back around 1980 or so calling it Xenix, but it wasn't cheap and until the advent of the 486 processors the machines to run it weren't very affordable either. The BSDi commercial version was substantially cheaper at $1,000.
However, where the lawsuit did impact BSD was in scaring developers away. There was a lot of uncertainty about the code base which was not resolved until 1994, and as such efforts went more into Linux.
I first started using Linux in late 1992(SLS release, I recall the kernel was at 0.10 and XFree86 had just been ported and it barely did anything on my 386sx16), and I did try to use FreeBSD back in '94 timeframe, and I recall it being a pain, mainly cause so much was missing to make install easy, etc.
I'd have to say that you are both right, but Theo is more right. The issues that you are complaining about are mindshare related, and Theo's point was that the lawsuit scared mindshare away from BSD. That is, BSD was substantially further ahead as a code base when Linux was starting up. Had there not been that uncertainty, I suspect more development effort would have gone down the BSD path than starting out from scratch with Linux.
Actually the problem Real had was that their player was invasive and put crap on your machine that periodically popped up with ads and other crap.
I call that competition. When I uninstalled Real, that was me speaking as a consumer telling them to go jump in a lake.
Real had a shitty product, and they complained that it was all Microsoft's fault. Waaa waaa waaa waaa, cry me a river.
I don't think I'd ever go to my boss and try to justify upgrading our stable Windows 2000 servers to Windows XP.(*)
Although I might suggest upgrading to Windows 2003 Server.
(*) I'm not a computer expert, but I play one on slashdot.
A lot of good points made, especially on being able to reproduce the test results, etc.
But his example just indicates he has an axe to grind. The color bias thing is just bogus. His complaints about the readability of the graph seem to miss the point that graphs show trends, tables show individual points.
I've seen far worse graphs, where they cut out entire sections of the y-axis to show you a remarkable graph where 98 is a whole lot higher than 94 because they're not showing you 1-90.
Which serves a useful lesson. Just because you don't like the results of a study, doesn't mean the study was done badly.
Who really needs stain resistant pants?
I'd think there would be a bigger market for stain resistant underwear.
My guess is IBM told Apple that they are not going to be creating new PowerPCs chips useful for desktop workstations, and are instead going a different direction with the platform... i.e. maybe to support parallel processing efforts, like the Cell chip in the PS3, etc.
Faced with no long term vision that works for their needs, they had to switch to the only other alternative.
That is, it isn't supply, but product lifecycle that influenced the decision.
My ex-girlfriend decided when she moved to this country that she should prepare for a job in IT. So she went to this school that promised to train her.
For two years she had beat into her head "Microsoft sucks. Everybody uses Linux. blah blah blah"
Fortunately she was able to get a job as a staff Accountant entering in invoices.
What's the purpose of this class? The idea of "complex website" is not well defined.
.NET, LAMP, etc. for discussions about backend stuff.
I would think a discussion of complex websites would first start with a discussion of n-tier development... seperation of business tier from data tier and UI tier. Those are the issues that most web teams deal with at corporate levels.
Transaction management, state management... other issues like this with web development.
These are all concepts, not technologies. Certainly there are some technology directions for say UI, such as CSS or Javascript that need to be mentioned as examples. And you can bring up examples from J2EE,
Back when I was in ComSci my professors taught concepts, not technologies. I don't understand at all where you are coming from with your main requirements being you need to pimp PHP and mySQL.
I see you have concocted a complicated reasoning around that bad idea... so... you didn't RTFA, huh? ;-)
:-)
Ahh, obviously you did not appreciate the irony in my argument.
Interesting question. The Queen owns countless estates, castles and priceless works of art and historical artifacts. But the wealth really doesn't belong to her. She's a steward who takes care of it.
:-)
But if the Queen decided tomorrow "I am going to put Buckingham Palace up for sale on ebay", she wouldn't get very far.
If Bill Gates decided to sell his house, he could do so.
Now even so, the salary that the Queen makes yearly in order to handle this wealth is still more than I'd make in a lifetime, and by that factor she's still very wealthy. But she's not quite like Bill Gates. Then again, the Queen has a much stronger government lobby than Gates does, so I guess it depends...
Clearly this is the dinstinction that someone was trying to make, but because you were so unwilling to lose the argument you refused to listen to the points he was making.
Well it is Mary Jo Foley after all, who is hardly ever credible in her accusations that Microsoft has failed.
I think it results from her lack of technical understanding. It's like accusing Honda of failing because their new cars won't fly like we were all promised in the 1950s.
To create something better than word, you will have to support the legacy of word.
You're thinking inside the box. No such requirement exists unless you are trying to create a functional copy of Word.
What you need is an idea that takes document creation to the next level. Think "What would George Jetson do?"
The big question is... What's in it for the consumer?
The consumer doesn't need or want a functional equivalent to Word. They already have that, and it's called Word. What they want is something better.
Adam Smith was talking about monopolies in terms of controlling of limited physical resources.
If I own all the copper mines, it is impossible for you to compete by opening up your own copper mine and selling the copper cheaper/better than me.
However with software, there is no such barrier to entry.
greater the pool of software companies, the more of a demand there will be for labor, which should drive salaries up.
Unfortunately, low-paying organizations do poorly in competition with high-paying ones, but they do not have to do badly if the high-paying ones are banned. So the Chinese govt, in their own self interest to keep software prices low can place salary caps on the programmers.
That's one of the benefits of being a Totalitarian State.