"but you can't do that for any price with most proprietary software. "
It's called being a VAR. Most proprietary software have partnership agreements that you can enter into to build customized solutions which integrate with their products.
"See point one again. If you want stuff from Free Software, you might have to pay for it. But I assure you that people exist that will cater to your whims for a price.:-) "
The only difference is with the VAR, they can make the custom changes and then spread the cost out across 100 customers, instead of hoping for one rich benefactor who will fund the development and then not mind it's given away for free thereafter.
Ok... I am not a fan of the Bush administration. I am not even a fan of the Republican party.
However...
"but offending and mistreating people of other countries & backgrounds is not the way to do it."
Let me get this straight. By not handing out a gift check, we're offending and mistreating Theo?
Good! Tell Theo to get a fucking job and earn money the way the rest of us have to.
I think I'm going to start a new political party called the "Intelligent people for Government, which excludes Republicans who are obnoxious and the really really stupid liberals who think not handing people a gift check means we're insulting and mistreating them."
As soon as I come up with a good acronym I'll register the domain name.
"Now the problem with open source is that there is no way to control it, so there is no way to implement the kind of policy outlined above, except to kill it (or discourage it), and have everyone use closed source, which can be controlled to a significant degree."
Just one point on that. In this case the US Government does not appear to wish to control it, they simply don't wish to be part of the creation. That is, providing funding helps to create the technology. If the technology cannot be controlled, then they've obviously decided that is not the most appropriate way to use their funding.
Obviously denying funding slows down the creation of the technology or Theo wouldn't be whining so much about this. So again the Govt position is correct.
"The temporary solution to that was to write the order to a text file. Then we have a batch command that runs every 15 minutes to check if there's a difference between the flat file and the order table. If there was, it would insert it. So once it gets to the database it's fine right. What happens if you can't even connect in the first place?"
Sounds to me like you don't understand how to do asynchronous processing under the Microsoft architecture.
"Everyone in the windows world wants paying for their (stopwatch|file patcher|sync engine|scheduler). On linux it's typically free, and you get the source to play with too."
Sounds like you need to get up to speed with reality there buddy.
"Look at how much source code you can get from any of the big OSS sites (freshmeat, sourceforge etc) vs tucows & download.com."
You might want to check out the number of packages on sourceforge available for Windows. Now realize that is only a small part of what is available in total.
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This isn't about a EULA.
The problem is in order for this guy to get FoxPro to run under WINE he had to copy system DLLs from Windows.
"I always used to supplement my Windows desktop with this or that little highly useful bit of shareware."
This is your own failing, not anything inherent to the community.
My desktop is very well supplemented with highly useful bits of shareware. Ultraedit, filesync, VMware, etc.
"If I bear a personal grudge, it is rooted in wonderment as to why such a situation came to pass, and why the vibrant shareware community experience is now to be found in open source."
Open source is a larger community on Windows than it is on Linux.
Again, you really didn't answer my question. What about Linux gives it any appeal?
Fascinating, I came to a realization back in 1997 that Linux was a long term loser, and Windows NT a long term winner. There was a time back in around 1999 where there was a question, but I've seen nothing coming from the Linux camp in the past 3 years which suggests any long term viability.
I'm curious what you see differently?
Although from your posts it sounds like you hold some personal grudge over your employment.
"The Fujitsu setup used BEA tuxedo to schedule and handle the transactions."
And the NEC setup used COM+ to schedule and handle the transactions.
I don't see what difference you are trying to point out. Both used PC based clients, the BEA Tuxedo transaction manager was running on those clients, not on the database server. Transactions are handled at the database level, but are coordinated at the app server(either by something like Tuxedo or COM+).
"Scheduling the transaction on the client makes sense to reduce the load on the server, but it's a totally different architecture and isn't a one-to-one comparison."
It doesn't appear to me that you understand the architecture. Can you point me to the page in the document that seems to indicate that they are fundamentally different?
"It's no wonder the NEC system did so well. They simply loaded the entire database into memory. How much does that system cost? According to the summary 5,619,528.00."
Whereas the Fujitsu solution cost $10.8 million, twice as much. Which leads into the $/TpmC which was $12.98 for the NEC and $28.58 for the Fujitsu.
That's one of the fundamental aspects of the TPC benchmarks, the cost comparison. Yes, the truth is you can load up a Intel based server with more memory for half the price of a comparable Sun box.
"If you're spending that much money, why would you even consider a non-fault tolerant architecture?"
In what way is it fault tolerant? Section 3 of both reports discusses ACID, where the D refers to Durability... which then goes into discussion of what happens during loss of power and so on.
You forgot all the additions to file server management like Volume Shadow Copy Service.
New version of MSMQ with a bunch of added features. New enhancements to the COM+ application server side to enhance performance and stability. etc.
Ability to deploy the server using RIS and other similar TCO improvements. It's also faster on the same hardware.
It's a fairly extensive evolutionary change. It'd be like going from Redhat 5.0 to Redhat 9.0. Yeah it doesn't look different, but looks are deceiving.
adsutil is really pretty painless to use from a script. The metabase entries are pretty well documented thru MSDN, and one can usually use metaedit to learn more about how things change, etc.
What is it that you are trying to do? I imagine it might be a bit more difficult if you are trying to make changes thru the UI on one machine and then propogate that through... There are some utilities for that purpose.
But if you know exactly what changes you want to make, and then script those changes...(which you really should be doing anyway so you can rebuild your config from scratch if needed) it is trivial to execute that script against 10 different servers.
If you want help with configuring and managing IIS let me know. Just drop an email to anything at sodablue.org.
I have three of the Antec Performance II series cases(SX835II and SX1040BII) and they all have air filters on the front of the case which can be accessed without taking the case apart.
You just have to lift the case up, and they slide out from the bottom. They definately make a tremendous difference with keeping dust out of the case. I have two fans on the front pulling air in, two on the rear blowing out.
I don't know if the SLK3700AMB mentioned in this article has one. I have an SLK2600AMB and it does not. The Solution series is not nearly as nice as the Performance II series, it's not as heavy or easy to work with. However, I found the nice grey case to blend in with my television better and it houses my media computer.
"No thanks, I have no desire to write Microsoft's programs for free"
Then don't.
But why then do you encourage people to write Redhat's programs for free?
This argument is one of the most nonsensical I have ever seen.
Years ago it was dealt with in the world of free software by simplying including a clause in your license that said "commercial distribution is prohibited without permission" or some such.
But that's not what concerns you, is it? Your concerns obviously have nothing to do with others making money off of your work, whereas that is explicitly the concern that Microsoft has.
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In order to sell, you have to have someone willing to buy. Which means the product must be worth having.
This is part of the fundamental nature of capitalism...
"but you can't do that for any price with most proprietary software. "
:-) "
It's called being a VAR. Most proprietary software have partnership agreements that you can enter into to build customized solutions which integrate with their products.
"See point one again. If you want stuff from Free Software, you might have to pay for it. But I assure you that people exist that will cater to your whims for a price.
The only difference is with the VAR, they can make the custom changes and then spread the cost out across 100 customers, instead of hoping for one rich benefactor who will fund the development and then not mind it's given away for free thereafter.
GPL protects rights of users at expense of developers.
XP EULA protects rights of developers at expense of users.
"Where did you get this "gift check" thing?"
It's the topic of this discussion... At this point I say something like RTFA.
Ok... I am not a fan of the Bush administration. I am not even a fan of the Republican party.
However...
"but offending and mistreating people of other countries & backgrounds is not the way to do it."
Let me get this straight. By not handing out a gift check, we're offending and mistreating Theo?
Good! Tell Theo to get a fucking job and earn money the way the rest of us have to.
I think I'm going to start a new political party called the "Intelligent people for Government, which excludes Republicans who are obnoxious and the really really stupid liberals who think not handing people a gift check means we're insulting and mistreating them."
As soon as I come up with a good acronym I'll register the domain name.
Interesting post, and you're right.
"Now the problem with open source is that there is no way to control it, so there is no way to implement the kind of policy outlined above, except to kill it (or discourage it), and have everyone use closed source, which can be controlled to a significant degree."
Just one point on that. In this case the US Government does not appear to wish to control it, they simply don't wish to be part of the creation. That is, providing funding helps to create the technology. If the technology cannot be controlled, then they've obviously decided that is not the most appropriate way to use their funding.
Obviously denying funding slows down the creation of the technology or Theo wouldn't be whining so much about this. So again the Govt position is correct.
"You seem to have a chip on your shoulder there."
You're right. I have a real difficult time reading posts from people who are clearly clueless.
Hint: Biztalk uses MSMQ
"I'm going to make your life here a living hell."
You're going to install Linux on my desktop?
"The temporary solution to that was to write the order to a text file. Then we have a batch command that runs every 15 minutes to check if there's a difference between the flat file and the order table. If there was, it would insert it. So once it gets to the database it's fine right. What happens if you can't even connect in the first place?"
Sounds to me like you don't understand how to do asynchronous processing under the Microsoft architecture.
Hint: MSMQ with triggers
What about prior use?
I'm a clutterer, and I have piles of documents all over my house loosely grouped by some purpose that I have long since forgotten.
"No. Shareware is a larger community. "
No. Open Source.
"Everyone in the windows world wants paying for their (stopwatch|file patcher|sync engine|scheduler). On linux it's typically free, and you get the source to play with too."
Sounds like you need to get up to speed with reality there buddy.
"Look at how much source code you can get from any of the big OSS sites (freshmeat, sourceforge etc) vs tucows & download.com."
You might want to check out the number of packages on sourceforge available for Windows. Now realize that is only a small part of what is available in total.
This isn't about a EULA.
The problem is in order for this guy to get FoxPro to run under WINE he had to copy system DLLs from Windows.
It's a pure copyright violation.
"I always used to supplement my Windows desktop with this or that little highly useful bit of shareware."
This is your own failing, not anything inherent to the community.
My desktop is very well supplemented with highly useful bits of shareware. Ultraedit, filesync, VMware, etc.
"If I bear a personal grudge, it is rooted in wonderment as to why such a situation came to pass, and why the vibrant shareware community experience is now to be found in open source."
Open source is a larger community on Windows than it is on Linux.
Again, you really didn't answer my question. What about Linux gives it any appeal?
"but as the quote from MSDN states, replication of state across n clients should use DRDS."
Why are you trying to confuse data replication and transaction coordination?
If adsutil has limitations, then you can certainly go right down into the core of LDAP and issue the instructions yourself.
I'm sure there is a way to do this with ActivePerl, but then I have no interest in learning perl.
"You can't just hop over to a windows box through telnet/ssh/rlogin to edit IIS's config file or play some music."
Is it because you can't, or just because you don't know how?
"Your area of the country also tends to vote Democrat, so don't use that area of the country as a good barometer of wise decision-making."
Weird. I always thought an economy showing growth was considered a good thing.
Vote Republican! Prosperity is boring!
Fascinating, I came to a realization back in 1997 that Linux was a long term loser, and Windows NT a long term winner. There was a time back in around 1999 where there was a question, but I've seen nothing coming from the Linux camp in the past 3 years which suggests any long term viability.
I'm curious what you see differently?
Although from your posts it sounds like you hold some personal grudge over your employment.
"The Fujitsu setup used BEA tuxedo to schedule and handle the transactions."
And the NEC setup used COM+ to schedule and handle the transactions.
I don't see what difference you are trying to point out. Both used PC based clients, the BEA Tuxedo transaction manager was running on those clients, not on the database server. Transactions are handled at the database level, but are coordinated at the app server(either by something like Tuxedo or COM+).
"Scheduling the transaction on the client makes sense to reduce the load on the server, but it's a totally different architecture and isn't a one-to-one comparison."
It doesn't appear to me that you understand the architecture. Can you point me to the page in the document that seems to indicate that they are fundamentally different?
"It's no wonder the NEC system did so well. They simply loaded the entire database into memory. How much does that system cost? According to the summary 5,619,528.00."
Whereas the Fujitsu solution cost $10.8 million, twice as much. Which leads into the $/TpmC which was $12.98 for the NEC and $28.58 for the Fujitsu.
That's one of the fundamental aspects of the TPC benchmarks, the cost comparison. Yes, the truth is you can load up a Intel based server with more memory for half the price of a comparable Sun box.
"If you're spending that much money, why would you even consider a non-fault tolerant architecture?"
In what way is it fault tolerant? Section 3 of both reports discusses ACID, where the D refers to Durability... which then goes into discussion of what happens during loss of power and so on.
You forgot all the additions to file server management like Volume Shadow Copy Service.
New version of MSMQ with a bunch of added features. New enhancements to the COM+ application server side to enhance performance and stability. etc.
Ability to deploy the server using RIS and other similar TCO improvements. It's also faster on the same hardware.
It's a fairly extensive evolutionary change. It'd be like going from Redhat 5.0 to Redhat 9.0. Yeah it doesn't look different, but looks are deceiving.
"How did you do this without difficulty?"
adsutil is really pretty painless to use from a script. The metabase entries are pretty well documented thru MSDN, and one can usually use metaedit to learn more about how things change, etc.
What is it that you are trying to do? I imagine it might be a bit more difficult if you are trying to make changes thru the UI on one machine and then propogate that through... There are some utilities for that purpose.
But if you know exactly what changes you want to make, and then script those changes...(which you really should be doing anyway so you can rebuild your config from scratch if needed) it is trivial to execute that script against 10 different servers.
If you want help with configuring and managing IIS let me know. Just drop an email to anything at sodablue.org.
"Did you actually follow the link?"
Did you? The link is a SourceSafe bashing site.
I have three of the Antec Performance II series cases(SX835II and SX1040BII) and they all have air filters on the front of the case which can be accessed without taking the case apart.
You just have to lift the case up, and they slide out from the bottom. They definately make a tremendous difference with keeping dust out of the case. I have two fans on the front pulling air in, two on the rear blowing out.
I don't know if the SLK3700AMB mentioned in this article has one. I have an SLK2600AMB and it does not. The Solution series is not nearly as nice as the Performance II series, it's not as heavy or easy to work with. However, I found the nice grey case to blend in with my television better and it houses my media computer.
Perforce
Starbase (now a Borland product)
Clearcase
PVCS
and on and on and on and on
I've heard the most positive feedback concerning Perforce and Starbase.
"No thanks, I have no desire to write Microsoft's programs for free"
Then don't.
But why then do you encourage people to write Redhat's programs for free?
This argument is one of the most nonsensical I have ever seen.
Years ago it was dealt with in the world of free software by simplying including a clause in your license that said "commercial distribution is prohibited without permission" or some such.
But that's not what concerns you, is it? Your concerns obviously have nothing to do with others making money off of your work, whereas that is explicitly the concern that Microsoft has.