Ok lets get this straight, he never ignored the advice of police, at most he ignored what could reasonably be called an ambiguous statement by a 911 operator. "We don't need you to follow him"
Some people want 911 operator = police, and therefore have the legal weight of a police order, and the words:
"We don't need you to follow him" to read "DO NOT FOLLOW HIM" neither of which are true.
He did at least one polygraph and passed, for whatever good that does. Personally I feel he probably embelished his story a bit, particularly talking to friends afterward when he thought he would not be charged, but that is human nature. He hit my head on the ground a handful of times, turned into dozens of times,I felt the guy reaching towards my gun, turned into the guy grabbed my gun....
Nope, that is not the standard, the standard is would a reasonable person think their life (or the life of another) is in immediate danger in the same circumstance. I might feel threatened by someone knocking on my front door at 3 am that does not mean I could / should shoot them, a pair of guys trying to kick in my front door at 3 am may well reach the standard of a reasonable person thinking their life is in danger. There is no standard that requires the guys to actually intend harm, maybe they are drunk and think it their house and the lock is broken,.... That does not matter, in the end it might be a tragedy, but the person inside still had a right to self defense as a reasonable person might think their life were in danger.
The public has a short memory, in 3-5 years it is likely no one will remmeber the name George Zimmerman, or if they do they will not remember why they knew it. See the case of the Duke University Lacrosse players whose lives were "ruined" by wrongful prossecution, does anyone remmeber their names?
Sure it might, but as much as the anti-gun crowd wanted this case to be about stand your ground, it was not, it was an old fashiioned self defense case. When your on the ground being beaten you are not choosing to stand your ground.
When your having your head beat into the ground and potentially have someone reaching for your gun (one fact, one claim), you have every reason to beleive your life is in danger, the standard for the law does not require there to be actual danger, just that a reasonable person might think there is. As during such situation you are in not condition to detemine the level of injury you are sustaining. If it were a single slap on the face or one punch to the nose while standing, maybe you could argue that a reasonable average person would not feel they were in danger, but on the ground having your head beat into the ground regardless if it were 1 or 30 times, is well beyond the standard of the average person feeling their life is in danger.
The only problem with this is the prossectution completely failed to PROVE Zimmerman was doing ANY of that, there was NO PROOF of intent. Following with the INTENT to be a lawful witness when the police arrive is NOT STALKING. Sure Zimmerman may have used some bad judgement, but bad I probably used bad judgement last night too when I drove through on a surface street / major highway through a historically racially charged part of a nearby city to get home less than an hour after the verdict was announed (other option was a 30 mile detour). Neither act of judgement should be criminal here.
One witness through a window with a screen said they thought the larger one was on top and thought Zimmerman was the larger one. (I suspect after seeing the 3-4 year old school photos of Martin in the media for weeks) You tell me when you have two people that are within an inch or so of height on the ground wearing loose fitting clothes which one is larger, no do it at night through a screened window.
Because Hollywood has finally sunk to the point where there is nothing new worth downloading. I just looked over the DVD release date schedule for the rest of the summer and could not find I single movie coming out I would be willing to watch, much less go to the trouble of downloading.
This sort of thing happens all too often with science fairs, the are looking for above average students to encourage them to go into science fields, but for some reason frown on the amazing projects.
Years ago in High School I had a very smart friend that had a science fair project on the macroscopic effects of quantum phsical properties in quartz fibers, he spent months on the project, corresponded with scientest that were published in peer reviewed publications, etc. He easily won at the local highschool level, and at the regional level, however at the state level, he was disqualified because "Such work is beyond the abiltiy of a Highschool Student"
The simple truth of the matter is often these documents are not laying around where they can be easily handed out, there are costs involved in time and effort to compile the information being requested, reviewing it for confidential information (peoples names, addresses, SSN's, etc.) so it is often not so much about hiding facts as it is not wanting to deal with the headache of complying with what is so often seen as either a casual inquiry, or some nut case that just wants to stir up trouble.
I just had a vision of next years hot sitcom, through some strange story a broke straight man pretending to be gay for some reason is kidnaped and taken to one of these pray away the gay camps, and realizes if he plays along he can turn this into a comfortable life.
So this is sort like the case for Bradley Manning, while he may have released some documents as part of a massive file dump that show mistakes and cover ups on the part of the government, he should still be shot for treason, violating his oath, etc. In other words he should be willing to pay the price for his actions
Wow that quote again, try doing a little research and you will see the guy you are quoting has been proven to be an anti gun nut that outright lied findings to support his position
Not everyone lives in a house with paper thin walls and 12 kids behind each one, my shotgun is loaded with buck shot, my nearest neighbor is several hundred feet away and my son is grown up so it is just me and my wife in the house. It has been shown numerous times that while bird shot can cause a gruesome looking wound its abilty to penetrate deep enough to be reliable at immediately stopping a threat is minimal.
I do just love this particular anti gun argument, maybe I am just unlucky, but I know of several people that have been killed in home invasions and other similar circumstances
My step sister's boss was killed at his vacation house in the tropics (I forget which island) duirng a home invasion, I did not know him well, but had met his wife a few times.
The family that lived next door to my mother had a ranch in Oklahoma that the husband would often go to for weeks at a time, one time he went there and a group of escaped prisoners were living in the ranch house, they killed him when he arrived. His wife called the police to go check on him after a couple of weeks of not hearing from him since he left home.
My ex-wife had a co-worker / close friend whose brother in law (husbands little brother) was killed by a group of juvenile gang members while withdrawing money from an ATM in Colorado, they were caught on video, and 2 or 3 were actually imprissoned until they turned 21. I was standing there when she received the phone call.
My step father had a business aquaintance who was the victim of fairly classic home invasion, he came home to find his wife tied to a chair, the burglars wanted money they thought he had hidden in the house, and beat both of them, he gave them what money he had in the house which was far less than they imagined. Thankfully this one had a more pleasant outcome as they were found alive, but tied up many hours later.
I suspect there are more, they just don't come to mind at the moment, Note I live in a relatively low crime area, if it is so rare why do I know people involved in so many.
Sure and if some guy starts trying to kick in the front door of your 1 bedroom apartment while your asleep at 3 am, because he is on drugs and thinks you looked at his girlfriend wrong, how much time do you think you would have to mess with combination locks and loading the gun. Of course the real problem here is even that would not be enough for many anti gun people, they would want the gun disassembled and the ammo stored in a seperate locked box in another room.
Ok, felons can't legally own guns now, normal people off the street have to jump through so many hoop to own an automatic weapon now (fingerprinting, extensive background check, letter of endorsement from local head law enforcement official, tax stamp, etc.) that VERY few do so, and there have only been a couple of cases in the last 75 years where LEGALLY OWNED automatic weapons have been used to commit a crime. As to how many someone should be allowed to own, where would you draw the line, 5, 10, 100? Some people would call any of those numbers very reasonable, or an incomplete collection. If we take that middle number of 10 it is fairly easy to hit by any sportsman in fly over country, much like having the right tool for the job iin any endevor, you need the right gun for the job, which may include: a small caliber handgun for pracitce / training, a couple of small caliber rifles (22LR, or similar) for general pest control, one with and one without optics, a mid caliber rifle for larger varmints (coyotes, etc), add in a couple of mid-large caliber for small / large deeer (white tail vs elk, etc.), maybe even add in a 3rd for for hunting in brush vs long range with optics, We are already at 6 or 7 have and have not touched on shotguns for bird hunting (different one for upland game than water fowl, etc.) or any personal defensive handguns. Now you may ask about these so called milirary styled weapons, and why they may be needed, an AR-15 is a great varmint gun, it is light weight, holds up well under exposure to the elements, can be equiped with a good medium to long range scope, does not kick too much, and 5.56 mm is just about an ideal caliber for such sized pests.
Because when it comes to rovers the technology is already advancing at such a rate that by the time they are flight certified and ready to go they look like a model T Ford in comparison to the stuff being played with in the development labs.
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Ok lets get this straight, he never ignored the advice of police, at most he ignored what could reasonably be called an ambiguous statement by a 911 operator. "We don't need you to follow him"
Some people want 911 operator = police, and therefore have the legal weight of a police order, and the words:
"We don't need you to follow him" to read "DO NOT FOLLOW HIM" neither of which are true.
He did at least one polygraph and passed, for whatever good that does. Personally I feel he probably embelished his story a bit, particularly talking to friends afterward when he thought he would not be charged, but that is human nature. He hit my head on the ground a handful of times, turned into dozens of times,I felt the guy reaching towards my gun, turned into the guy grabbed my gun....
Nope, that is not the standard, the standard is would a reasonable person think their life (or the life of another) is in immediate danger in the same circumstance. I might feel threatened by someone knocking on my front door at 3 am that does not mean I could / should shoot them, a pair of guys trying to kick in my front door at 3 am may well reach the standard of a reasonable person thinking their life is in danger. There is no standard that requires the guys to actually intend harm, maybe they are drunk and think it their house and the lock is broken, .... That does not matter, in the end it might be a tragedy, but the person inside still had a right to self defense as a reasonable person might think their life were in danger.
The public has a short memory, in 3-5 years it is likely no one will remmeber the name George Zimmerman, or if they do they will not remember why they knew it. See the case of the Duke University Lacrosse players whose lives were "ruined" by wrongful prossecution, does anyone remmeber their names?
Sure it might, but as much as the anti-gun crowd wanted this case to be about stand your ground, it was not, it was an old fashiioned self defense case. When your on the ground being beaten you are not choosing to stand your ground.
I know I should not respond to an AC, but a 17 year old Football player is NOT A CHILD.
When your having your head beat into the ground and potentially have someone reaching for your gun (one fact, one claim), you have every reason to beleive your life is in danger, the standard for the law does not require there to be actual danger, just that a reasonable person might think there is. As during such situation you are in not condition to detemine the level of injury you are sustaining. If it were a single slap on the face or one punch to the nose while standing, maybe you could argue that a reasonable average person would not feel they were in danger, but on the ground having your head beat into the ground regardless if it were 1 or 30 times, is well beyond the standard of the average person feeling their life is in danger.
The only problem with this is the prossectution completely failed to PROVE Zimmerman was doing ANY of that, there was NO PROOF of intent. Following with the INTENT to be a lawful witness when the police arrive is NOT STALKING. Sure Zimmerman may have used some bad judgement, but bad I probably used bad judgement last night too when I drove through on a surface street / major highway through a historically racially charged part of a nearby city to get home less than an hour after the verdict was announed (other option was a 30 mile detour). Neither act of judgement should be criminal here.
One witness through a window with a screen said they thought the larger one was on top and thought Zimmerman was the larger one. (I suspect after seeing the 3-4 year old school photos of Martin in the media for weeks) You tell me when you have two people that are within an inch or so of height on the ground wearing loose fitting clothes which one is larger, no do it at night through a screened window.
Because Hollywood has finally sunk to the point where there is nothing new worth downloading. I just looked over the DVD release date schedule for the rest of the summer and could not find I single movie coming out I would be willing to watch, much less go to the trouble of downloading.
This sort of thing happens all too often with science fairs, the are looking for above average students to encourage them to go into science fields, but for some reason frown on the amazing projects.
Years ago in High School I had a very smart friend that had a science fair project on the macroscopic effects of quantum phsical properties in quartz fibers, he spent months on the project, corresponded with scientest that were published in peer reviewed publications, etc. He easily won at the local highschool level, and at the regional level, however at the state level, he was disqualified because "Such work is beyond the abiltiy of a Highschool Student"
The problem with that is it adds 5 hours of paperwork to what would be a simple 5 minute task.
The simple truth of the matter is often these documents are not laying around where they can be easily handed out, there are costs involved in time and effort to compile the information being requested, reviewing it for confidential information (peoples names, addresses, SSN's, etc.) so it is often not so much about hiding facts as it is not wanting to deal with the headache of complying with what is so often seen as either a casual inquiry, or some nut case that just wants to stir up trouble.
I just had a vision of next years hot sitcom, through some strange story a broke straight man pretending to be gay for some reason is kidnaped and taken to one of these pray away the gay camps, and realizes if he plays along he can turn this into a comfortable life.
So this is sort like the case for Bradley Manning, while he may have released some documents as part of a massive file dump that show mistakes and cover ups on the part of the government, he should still be shot for treason, violating his oath, etc. In other words he should be willing to pay the price for his actions
This depends on which state you live in
What we have to show for it is more than a decade without a major terrorist attack on the U.S.
No, I think the object lesson will be what happens to this guy when he gets caught
Wow that quote again, try doing a little research and you will see the guy you are quoting has been proven to be an anti gun nut that outright lied findings to support his position
Not everyone lives in a house with paper thin walls and 12 kids behind each one, my shotgun is loaded with buck shot, my nearest neighbor is several hundred feet away and my son is grown up so it is just me and my wife in the house. It has been shown numerous times that while bird shot can cause a gruesome looking wound its abilty to penetrate deep enough to be reliable at immediately stopping a threat is minimal.
I do just love this particular anti gun argument, maybe I am just unlucky, but I know of several people that have been killed in home invasions and other similar circumstances
My step sister's boss was killed at his vacation house in the tropics (I forget which island) duirng a home invasion, I did not know him well, but had met his wife a few times.
The family that lived next door to my mother had a ranch in Oklahoma that the husband would often go to for weeks at a time, one time he went there and a group of escaped prisoners were living in the ranch house, they killed him when he arrived. His wife called the police to go check on him after a couple of weeks of not hearing from him since he left home.
My ex-wife had a co-worker / close friend whose brother in law (husbands little brother) was killed by a group of juvenile gang members while withdrawing money from an ATM in Colorado, they were caught on video, and 2 or 3 were actually imprissoned until they turned 21. I was standing there when she received the phone call.
My step father had a business aquaintance who was the victim of fairly classic home invasion, he came home to find his wife tied to a chair, the burglars wanted money they thought he had hidden in the house, and beat both of them, he gave them what money he had in the house which was far less than they imagined. Thankfully this one had a more pleasant outcome as they were found alive, but tied up many hours later.
I suspect there are more, they just don't come to mind at the moment, Note I live in a relatively low crime area, if it is so rare why do I know people involved in so many.
Sure and if some guy starts trying to kick in the front door of your 1 bedroom apartment while your asleep at 3 am, because he is on drugs and thinks you looked at his girlfriend wrong, how much time do you think you would have to mess with combination locks and loading the gun. Of course the real problem here is even that would not be enough for many anti gun people, they would want the gun disassembled and the ammo stored in a seperate locked box in another room.
Ok, felons can't legally own guns now, normal people off the street have to jump through so many hoop to own an automatic weapon now (fingerprinting, extensive background check, letter of endorsement from local head law enforcement official, tax stamp, etc.) that VERY few do so, and there have only been a couple of cases in the last 75 years where LEGALLY OWNED automatic weapons have been used to commit a crime. As to how many someone should be allowed to own, where would you draw the line, 5, 10, 100? Some people would call any of those numbers very reasonable, or an incomplete collection. If we take that middle number of 10 it is fairly easy to hit by any sportsman in fly over country, much like having the right tool for the job iin any endevor, you need the right gun for the job, which may include: a small caliber handgun for pracitce / training, a couple of small caliber rifles (22LR, or similar) for general pest control, one with and one without optics, a mid caliber rifle for larger varmints (coyotes, etc), add in a couple of mid-large caliber for small / large deeer (white tail vs elk, etc.), maybe even add in a 3rd for for hunting in brush vs long range with optics, We are already at 6 or 7 have and have not touched on shotguns for bird hunting (different one for upland game than water fowl, etc.) or any personal defensive handguns. Now you may ask about these so called milirary styled weapons, and why they may be needed, an AR-15 is a great varmint gun, it is light weight, holds up well under exposure to the elements, can be equiped with a good medium to long range scope, does not kick too much, and 5.56 mm is just about an ideal caliber for such sized pests.
Not the security of the state, the security of a FREE state, meaning lack of tyrannical rule.
Because when it comes to rovers the technology is already advancing at such a rate that by the time they are flight certified and ready to go they look like a model T Ford in comparison to the stuff being played with in the development labs.