And I'm sure that all of the unionized US steel workers would agree... oh wait, there aren't any any more. Well then, all of the unionized US textile workers would agree with you... oh wait. How about the unionized US automotive industry workers... damn. Hang on, am I noticing a trend here?
Unions = very short term job security. But even that job security just lasts long enough for the company owners to find cheaper labor elsewhere once the unions jack up the wages.
Re:Dont like it? (Score:2) by FauxPasIII on Sunday December 01, @11:38AM (#4787737) (User #75900 Info) > Go start a business, THEN you can comment on how to do or do not like the salary structure.
So... only the rich mangement class are allowed to even voice an opinion on pay structure and labor issues ?
Yup. That about sums it up. The employee has the option of working or not working there. There's no reason whatsoever for an employee to have a voice when it comes to pay unless A. They're an owner or B. They are negotiating their initial employment contract. Other than that, no, no say whatsoever.
MS was trying to stop other software producers from using the name "Windows". Apple, on the other hand, wants to stop *anybody* from using the name "Apple". Talk about aggressive! They make MS's lawyers look tame by comparison. Now that's a company using OSS to be proud of!
Oh yes god... and while you're at it, please smite those who get easily confused between eastern and western philosophy. Those heathens deserve to be smitten. Especially those heathens who know nothing about Decartes, Plato, or even Hegel. God, why do these people exist to torment me with their ignorance? Why god? Please, take pity on my poor soul and deliver them to the everlasting fires of hell on bolts of lightning. And if the don't know anything abuot Dante, don't you think that they deserve to be thrown into the seventh ring? Are you there god? It's me, Nine.
Are you there god? It's me, Nine. As you know, people keep making Matrix-esque movies. And also, as you know, I'm a big movie fan. I like to see most movies just for the hell ooop...heck of it. Why, god, do people continue to make Matrix-like movies? Why? The first one was terrible. I tried to leave the theater when I was subjected to the first one, but unfortunately, I was riding with others and I couldn't get my hands on their keys. I really, really tried to enjoy it, but the acting, well, you know. Keanu Reeves was in it. Lawrence Fishburne. I know you never meant for them to be actors. I know that they were meant for other things... like workers in fish canneries, but still, they were in it. And the script. Well, the script actually made me cry. I laughed so hard I cried. It wasn't a good cry either, since part of why I was laughing is because I spent money on admission to hear lines that sounded like they were written by a second grader who ate too much paste. And the story, god. God, the story. Why is a re-hashed version of ancient Western Philosopy, a philosophy that's been around for thousands of years, considered innovative and fresh? Why god, hasn't anybody studied even basic philosophy enough to know that this story is actually ancient? And the plot. Oh god, you didn't spare me on the plot either, you vengeful being you. The plot barely made sense. But why should I tell you that... you're omnipotent. But, since you're omnipresent, you probably had to watch it too. I'm sorry god. I'm so sorry for everything I've done. Please, god, please smite down with terrible wrath and anger all who attempt to make Matrix knockoffs. Are you there god? It's me, Nine.
As far as I'm concerned, Mozilla is a dead lump of shit floating in space. It's useless. Linux. Ho hum. Nothing exciting. It runs. But an alternative to Oracle (if PostGre ever becomes that) really is news. But yeah, Slashdot is becoming... "Version 1.1.2.3.4 of gnuwhatever released" alternated with "M$ is 3vil!". It's pretty damn stale.
My one app that I run on a few workstations is Windows only. Thus, I pay the price for a W2K Pro license. Also, if I do want to do anything else with the box, I can. I have that flexibility. Just the install/configuration time on a *nix box would be prohibative, assuming that my app came out for *nix.
Anyone want to explain to me how a whopping 9 boxes is considered a "big" account? I may be a bit confused, but last I checked, 9 is a relatively small number. True, not as small, as say negative 10 billion, but since the number of computers can either be be zero or greater, 9 is relatively small. I mean, the only way you could have fewer boxes is if you had 8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1, or 0 boxes. 9 machines. Whoa. Now, I am blown away. I'm thinking that/. should just start reporting every time someone installs any kind of OSS software at home. Headline, "Bob Smith of BE, NJ installed Redhat on 10 PC's at home today!" Now 10. That would be impressive. More so than 9. One more, actually.
That's funny. I run W2K and I don't reboot my machines 20 times a day. Hell, I don't reboot 'em 20 times a year.
And, bank's aren't supposed to be "gutsy". That's a bad thing. Banks are supposed to be stable, slow moving parts of the economy. But hell, it's a Brazilian bank, so what do they know, huh?
No. I just hate reading about idiots who say, "I can't use it, so it sucks!" If nobody says anything, then they grow up to be even more obnoxious blowhards that I have to see in the supermarket. Ideally, we'd just make sure that idiots are spayed/nutered at puberty, which would fix this problem.
I dunno. You could rent a computer somewhere, or borrow one. You know where I could get a Corvette to try it our for a few weeks before I decide if I like it? Or actually, know where I can get some beer to try out to see if I like it? There's this new beer that I want to try, but it's $2/bottle, and it only comes in cases of 12. Shouldn't I be entitled to be able to just "try" the beer first?
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How exactly can it be a "monopoly" rent if there aren't any reasonable alternatives? I'm perfectly happy paying roughly that for W2K Professional because it works, and the alternatives involve either a lot of money (Apple), or more time than I have on this planet (*nix). Now if someone told me that I could get the ease of use and functionality for, say, $100, I'd take that, but right now, I'm pretty happy to pay market price for my OS's. My livelihood depends on them. I can't skimp on OS's, jsut like I can't skimp on cars. Both things I gotta have to make a living.
Hey, if you can get personal pride from installing a piece of software, congratulations. I'm pretty happy with Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, but I'm not particularly proud of playing it. I didn't write it. See, for me "pride" has to do with actually accomplishing something. Since purchasing GTA: Vice City isn't really an accomplishment... anybody with a heart beat and $50 can do it... I'm not particularly proud of it. But hey, if you're a good, happy little consumer that takes pride in the products you use, more power to ya'. I wish that my life was that simple.
Wel, obviously you still have a good bit to learn about Windows. Services can be stopped and started from a command prompt, and that's been the case since NT 3.5. (It's very complicated... you have to type on your keyboard "net start" and then the service name).
And no, in Windows 2000, I've never gotten a blue screen, an unrecoverable error, or anything of the such. I've been using it for several years with several servers and several workstations, all of which are used very heavily. It sounds like A. You have bad hardware or B. you've been doing very, very strange things to your box.
As far as "losing" hardware, that again hasn't been a problem since the old DOS OS's, so if that's still happening, somebody must be doing it delibrately.
Windows got it's bad reputation from the old DOS based OS's with the GUI on top. It also gets its reputation because so many peolpe use it and for some reason, still can't figure out such a simple OS, so *of course* it must be the machine's fault. W2K is widely acknowledged to be very stable, and has been for several years. So, yes, I'm convinced that you just really don't know what you're doing. Perhaps you should consider reading a bit of the documentation (you can find that by clicking on the big "Start" button, then the "Help" button, which has a pretty purple book next to the word), or getting a book. Or better yet, maybe you should run all of your "applications" on a PlayStation 2. Those are much simpler. But I suppose that you'd still find a way to screw that up too.
I'm thinking that maybe Slashdot should get an alternate url: http://www.windowsfordummies.com It seems like people who are confused by the clicking aspect of Windows, and that really confounding "Start" button are already here!
I really couldn't give a flying shit about cutting edge. I just want something that works so I can get on with the interesting parts of my life. I don't want to spend hours and hours every day downloading the new Mozilla with new patches, new features, blah, blah blah. Instead IE works, and I use it to get other things done. If a browser is anything more than a background app to anyone other than the developers, then it's not doing it's job well.
Well, the only thing is that the security flaws we've seen in IE have been relatively minor. They've usually been tough to reproduce, and very rarely, if ever actually used. I don't remember seeing any truly dire ones that would overshadow the usability of the app, in my opinion.
Last I checked, DHTML isn't "superfluous". It's about as essential as you can get on the web these days. And as far as your security paranoia, that's a problem you should get some serious help with. Either that, or stick to the good porn sites that don't try to use all of the latest tricks to manipulate your browser. Either way, you *can* be helped. Really.
proper software development is an act of balancing between functionality, security, usability, and portability. I can't imagine paying as much as Microsoft demands and expecting less than excellent security
Portability is useful if you don't have any kind of cohesive IT strategy at all in your function. My company is pretty well set. We don't switch hardware/platforms on a weekly basis. As far as functionality, I agree. I couldn't imagine paying $50 or more for an unusable OS such as Red Hat, or spend a few days downloading something as bad.
I'm deeply touched that you have trouble with XP. Still, I find it hard to believe that your personal preference and/or your inability to use a very basic piece of software has anything to do at all with the overall quality of a company's products.
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MS doesn't actually make advertising decisions. IT's farmed out for several levels./. probably just buys ads through a broker, and these are the ones they get.
But yes, I'd definitely agree with your second point. Most people here are most definitely MS users. For all of the "M$ is evil!" posts, I'm willing to bet that the large majority of/. readers are very active MS users, especially at work (those who are actually old enough to have a job).
My problem in the parent post said, "well, at least it's not a security bug", as if security is more important than basic functionality. That's like saying, "Our computer product is *very* secure. It in no way, shape or form connects to any other electronic device of any kind." It's pretty silly.
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Probably because you want job security.
And I'm sure that all of the unionized US steel workers would agree... oh wait, there aren't any any more. Well then, all of the unionized US textile workers would agree with you... oh wait. How about the unionized US automotive industry workers... damn. Hang on, am I noticing a trend here?
Unions = very short term job security. But even that job security just lasts long enough for the company owners to find cheaper labor elsewhere once the unions jack up the wages.
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> Go start a business, THEN you can comment on how to do or do not like the salary structure.
So... only the rich mangement class are allowed to even voice an opinion on pay structure and labor issues ?
Yup. That about sums it up. The employee has the option of working or not working there. There's no reason whatsoever for an employee to have a voice when it comes to pay unless A. They're an owner or B. They are negotiating their initial employment contract. Other than that, no, no say whatsoever.
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MS is trying to get software manufacturers to stop using "Windows". Apple is going after completely unrelated businesses. Big difference.
MS was trying to stop other software producers from using the name "Windows". Apple, on the other hand, wants to stop *anybody* from using the name "Apple". Talk about aggressive! They make MS's lawyers look tame by comparison. Now that's a company using OSS to be proud of!
Oh yes god... and while you're at it, please smite those who get easily confused between eastern and western philosophy. Those heathens deserve to be smitten. Especially those heathens who know nothing about Decartes, Plato, or even Hegel. God, why do these people exist to torment me with their ignorance? Why god? Please, take pity on my poor soul and deliver them to the everlasting fires of hell on bolts of lightning. And if the don't know anything abuot Dante, don't you think that they deserve to be thrown into the seventh ring? Are you there god? It's me, Nine.
Are you there god? It's me, Nine. As you know, people keep making Matrix-esque movies. And also, as you know, I'm a big movie fan. I like to see most movies just for the hell ooop...heck of it. Why, god, do people continue to make Matrix-like movies? Why? The first one was terrible. I tried to leave the theater when I was subjected to the first one, but unfortunately, I was riding with others and I couldn't get my hands on their keys. I really, really tried to enjoy it, but the acting, well, you know. Keanu Reeves was in it. Lawrence Fishburne. I know you never meant for them to be actors. I know that they were meant for other things... like workers in fish canneries, but still, they were in it. And the script. Well, the script actually made me cry. I laughed so hard I cried. It wasn't a good cry either, since part of why I was laughing is because I spent money on admission to hear lines that sounded like they were written by a second grader who ate too much paste. And the story, god. God, the story. Why is a re-hashed version of ancient Western Philosopy, a philosophy that's been around for thousands of years, considered innovative and fresh? Why god, hasn't anybody studied even basic philosophy enough to know that this story is actually ancient? And the plot. Oh god, you didn't spare me on the plot either, you vengeful being you. The plot barely made sense. But why should I tell you that... you're omnipotent. But, since you're omnipresent, you probably had to watch it too. I'm sorry god. I'm so sorry for everything I've done. Please, god, please smite down with terrible wrath and anger all who attempt to make Matrix knockoffs. Are you there god? It's me, Nine.
As far as I'm concerned, Mozilla is a dead lump of shit floating in space. It's useless. Linux. Ho hum. Nothing exciting. It runs. But an alternative to Oracle (if PostGre ever becomes that) really is news. But yeah, Slashdot is becoming... "Version 1.1.2.3.4 of gnuwhatever released" alternated with "M$ is 3vil!". It's pretty damn stale.
My one app that I run on a few workstations is Windows only. Thus, I pay the price for a W2K Pro license. Also, if I do want to do anything else with the box, I can. I have that flexibility. Just the install/configuration time on a *nix box would be prohibative, assuming that my app came out for *nix.
I really hope that you were all stoned. If not, that's just sad.
Anyone want to explain to me how a whopping 9 boxes is considered a "big" account? I may be a bit confused, but last I checked, 9 is a relatively small number. True, not as small, as say negative 10 billion, but since the number of computers can either be be zero or greater, 9 is relatively small. I mean, the only way you could have fewer boxes is if you had 8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1, or 0 boxes. 9 machines. Whoa. Now, I am blown away. I'm thinking that /. should just start reporting every time someone installs any kind of OSS software at home. Headline, "Bob Smith of BE, NJ installed Redhat on 10 PC's at home today!" Now 10. That would be impressive. More so than 9. One more, actually.
That's funny. I run W2K and I don't reboot my machines 20 times a day. Hell, I don't reboot 'em 20 times a year.
And, bank's aren't supposed to be "gutsy". That's a bad thing. Banks are supposed to be stable, slow moving parts of the economy. But hell, it's a Brazilian bank, so what do they know, huh?
No. I just hate reading about idiots who say, "I can't use it, so it sucks!" If nobody says anything, then they grow up to be even more obnoxious blowhards that I have to see in the supermarket. Ideally, we'd just make sure that idiots are spayed/nutered at puberty, which would fix this problem.
I dunno. You could rent a computer somewhere, or borrow one. You know where I could get a Corvette to try it our for a few weeks before I decide if I like it? Or actually, know where I can get some beer to try out to see if I like it? There's this new beer that I want to try, but it's $2/bottle, and it only comes in cases of 12. Shouldn't I be entitled to be able to just "try" the beer first?
How exactly can it be a "monopoly" rent if there aren't any reasonable alternatives? I'm perfectly happy paying roughly that for W2K Professional because it works, and the alternatives involve either a lot of money (Apple), or more time than I have on this planet (*nix). Now if someone told me that I could get the ease of use and functionality for, say, $100, I'd take that, but right now, I'm pretty happy to pay market price for my OS's. My livelihood depends on them. I can't skimp on OS's, jsut like I can't skimp on cars. Both things I gotta have to make a living.
Hey, if you can get personal pride from installing a piece of software, congratulations. I'm pretty happy with Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, but I'm not particularly proud of playing it. I didn't write it. See, for me "pride" has to do with actually accomplishing something. Since purchasing GTA: Vice City isn't really an accomplishment... anybody with a heart beat and $50 can do it... I'm not particularly proud of it. But hey, if you're a good, happy little consumer that takes pride in the products you use, more power to ya'. I wish that my life was that simple.
Wel, obviously you still have a good bit to learn about Windows. Services can be stopped and started from a command prompt, and that's been the case since NT 3.5. (It's very complicated... you have to type on your keyboard "net start" and then the service name).
And no, in Windows 2000, I've never gotten a blue screen, an unrecoverable error, or anything of the such. I've been using it for several years with several servers and several workstations, all of which are used very heavily. It sounds like A. You have bad hardware or B. you've been doing very, very strange things to your box.
As far as "losing" hardware, that again hasn't been a problem since the old DOS OS's, so if that's still happening, somebody must be doing it delibrately.
Windows got it's bad reputation from the old DOS based OS's with the GUI on top. It also gets its reputation because so many peolpe use it and for some reason, still can't figure out such a simple OS, so *of course* it must be the machine's fault. W2K is widely acknowledged to be very stable, and has been for several years. So, yes, I'm convinced that you just really don't know what you're doing. Perhaps you should consider reading a bit of the documentation (you can find that by clicking on the big "Start" button, then the "Help" button, which has a pretty purple book next to the word), or getting a book. Or better yet, maybe you should run all of your "applications" on a PlayStation 2. Those are much simpler. But I suppose that you'd still find a way to screw that up too.
I'm thinking that maybe Slashdot should get an alternate url: http://www.windowsfordummies.com
It seems like people who are confused by the clicking aspect of Windows, and that really confounding "Start" button are already here!
I really couldn't give a flying shit about cutting edge. I just want something that works so I can get on with the interesting parts of my life. I don't want to spend hours and hours every day downloading the new Mozilla with new patches, new features, blah, blah blah. Instead IE works, and I use it to get other things done. If a browser is anything more than a background app to anyone other than the developers, then it's not doing it's job well.
Well, the only thing is that the security flaws we've seen in IE have been relatively minor. They've usually been tough to reproduce, and very rarely, if ever actually used. I don't remember seeing any truly dire ones that would overshadow the usability of the app, in my opinion.
Last I checked, DHTML isn't "superfluous". It's about as essential as you can get on the web these days. And as far as your security paranoia, that's a problem you should get some serious help with. Either that, or stick to the good porn sites that don't try to use all of the latest tricks to manipulate your browser. Either way, you *can* be helped. Really.
proper software development is an act of balancing between functionality, security, usability, and portability. I can't imagine paying as much as Microsoft demands and expecting less than excellent security
Portability is useful if you don't have any kind of cohesive IT strategy at all in your function. My company is pretty well set. We don't switch hardware/platforms on a weekly basis. As far as functionality, I agree. I couldn't imagine paying $50 or more for an unusable OS such as Red Hat, or spend a few days downloading something as bad.
Well, when you get old enough for your parents to start giving you an allowance, maybe you could *buy* a copy of a MS product!
I'm deeply touched that you have trouble with XP. Still, I find it hard to believe that your personal preference and/or your inability to use a very basic piece of software has anything to do at all with the overall quality of a company's products.
MS doesn't actually make advertising decisions. IT's farmed out for several levels. /. probably just buys ads through a broker, and these are the ones they get.
/. readers are very active MS users, especially at work (those who are actually old enough to have a job).
But yes, I'd definitely agree with your second point. Most people here are most definitely MS users. For all of the "M$ is evil!" posts, I'm willing to bet that the large majority of
My problem in the parent post said, "well, at least it's not a security bug", as if security is more important than basic functionality. That's like saying, "Our computer product is *very* secure. It in no way, shape or form connects to any other electronic device of any kind." It's pretty silly.