At the same time they're making some of the same stupid mistakes their grandparents did
Not really, but never let the facts get in the way of self-congratulation!
Compared to recent past generations, millennials commit fewer violent crimes, are less likely to have unplanned pregnancies, are more educated and more tolerant. Given the amount of social research now available, these and other related trends can all be verified with trivial effort.
Just because you and Socrates don't like the young people you meet, doesn't mean social progress stopped the day you came of age.
The article says these stars should have a density of about 100,000 per cubic gigaparsec (around 3 * 10^10 cubic light-years). The volume of our galaxy is around 3 * 10^13 cubic light years, which would imply something like 100 million of these stars in our relative vicinity - equivalent to about 0.1% of all the stars in the Milky Way. That seems like a huge proportion to me. Am I missing something?
Actually, "alla sudden" there were a bunch of new distribution methods which destroyed the artificial scarcity model of business in the entertainment industry. Things are heading back to the way they were before the 1920's in a lot of ways...
It's well known that many packages will begin requiring systemd over time. That's why the fork wasn't announced until now, after Debian chose not to be init-agnostic once and for all.
And my point is that ascribing to these developers a desire to maliciously weaken Debian is groundless and inflammatory.
The motivation is to have a Linux distribution which has 1) stability, 2) easy package management and 3) doesn't require systemd. Debian is a great place to start for (1) and (2), while having (3) means that the distro maintains compatibility with critical code on which many jobs depend, maintains stability while systemd is in flux and will appeal to users/admins who disagree with some of the key design decisions made in systemd. Seems legit to me.
Personally, I've been waiting for a fork like this, because I use Debian but don't like binary loggers or init systems with embedded QR encoders. I do like the approach taken by uselessd, which is to adopt the best parts about systemd while leaving out the questionable components (binary logging, embedded web server, etc.) and keeping a good separation of concerns between init and the rest of the system. On the other hand, I will be disappointed if Devuan requires SysV init the way other distros are requiring systemd. The worst part of the whole systemd debacle is all the pointless acrimony, but the second worst part might be the false dichotomies drawn between SysV and systemd as the "one old, bad way" and the "one new, good way." There's just a lot more to it than that - and it looks like this fork is going to be the only way to use Debian with SysV, systemd, uselessd, upstart or whatever gives you what you need from an init system.
It's true that politicians from both parties are responsible for gerrymandering. That's why, in California, we took redistricting out of the hands of politicians entirely. Legislators from both parties fought the measure - but they failed. I hope other states follow suit - the results have already been positive for representation in California, with many more competitive races (including some between candidates from the same party).
With the citizen's redistricting committee and open primaries, we may even have third party candidates start to win local elections.
This isn't a "downstream branch" like Ubuntu, which strengthens the community by sending patches upstream
That's a groundless assertion - there is no reason (technical or political) that Devuan wouldn't send patches upstream for general packages.
Those people who created this fork are a bunch of malcontents that are whining because they didn't get their way.
So according to you, people should devote their time and effort for free to software they don't like, and if they don't they're "whiny malcontents." One of the key aspects of FOSS is the freedom to run and work on the software that you like and support. Once you understand that, you can stop whining about decisions you disagree with and get to work on something useful. In fact, that's the whole idea behind this fork.
This is breaking up of a strong community, and it's now going to be inherently weaker.
More groundless FUD. Do you think whining about this is helping FOSS or Debian?
LibreOffice is developed by (most of) the original OpenOffice team. They resigned enmasse from Oracle once it was clear that Oracle didn't want to continue putting money into the project.
I was kinda replying to both posts, so I just replied to the non-AC. I did use the pure-touch screen machines when I was a student poll worker in 2004. Those were the Diebold machines which connected to a phone line, and whose only paper trail was receipt printed by the machine on heat-sensitive paper. I remember advising many people to submit paper ballots instead...
I've been an elections inspector (head worker at a polling place) in Alameda county a few times, and AFAIK almost every county in California is using this type of optical-scan system. There are also some special systems for disabled voters using touchscreens or audio devices.
My thinking is that it could be programmed to reject valid votes to give an edge to one political candidate
If a single machine were reprogrammed, it would be detected when the scanner cartridge was audited. There are also uniquely numbered pull-tie-like seals protecting the sensitive parts of the machine, so any unauthorized access is likely to be noticed.
or to give poll workers knowledge of who is voting democrat or republican, etc.
We already have this knowledge, as voter registration is listed in the street index used to identify voters at the polling place. Not only that, but another copy must be posted outside the polling place. As voters are crossed off the list, the "outside" street index can be used by party campaigns to see who hasn't voted. In some places, they'll actually use this information to go to your house and ask you to go vote (if you're registered with their party).
I've worked as an "elections inspector" (actually the head worker at one polling place) in California a few times, and this is pretty much the system used by most counties here.
There are a few ways for voters to mess up the scanner, but in general if there are voting errors the ballot will be rejected and a new ballot card will be issued. It's possible for them to jam the machine, and we need special permission or a higher-level election worker to open it up to clear. There are a series of numbered, zip-tie-like seals which are applied in various places to ensure tampering is detected. In addition to the ballots, there are detailed logs on the memory cartridge, which are printed out in duplicate as "receipts" from the machine itself.
All in all, I think it's a fairly low-tech, low-risk system.
It's an extra 500 grams to use a RTG from the 1970s. So in fact, there would likely have been no extra mass to carry with a modern RTG.
The considerations leading to solar over RTG were 1) the (lack of) experience of the ESA with RTG technology after NASA left the project, 2) the silly political optics of "nuclear" anything, 4) cost and 3) the ultimately limited scientific goals of the lander component, which made the possibility of a 60 hour run time an acceptable risk. How much of a role each of these considerations played is known only to the design team...
They're one kind of private asset. There are others.
Other private assets have corresponding private liabilities; they don't represent net financial assets. Assuming a trade deficit (and concomitant capital surplus), any net private financial surplus is exactly equal to the net public deficit.
"public liability" refers to the majority of future taxpayers who will be made to service the interest on the debt
Not really. Under the modern system, the interest payments are in fact included in the face value at redemption, which consists merely of debiting securities accounts and crediting reserve accounts at the Federal Reserve. In other words, the interest payment is really printed at the same time the debt instrument itself is printed.
interest-generating "private assets" end up in the hands of those select few with the ready capital (both financial and political) to purchase them
Agreed, and I would support a change to direct money issuance for most federal spending as opposed to the current system. However, that doesn't make "using tax money to repay debt" (as mentioned in the parent) a "better" use of money than, say, space exploration. As monetary policy under the so-called new normal has shown, quantitative easing does not alter private net financial assets or create inflation. The inflationary cost was borne at the time the debt was issued. In contrast to debt repayment, federal spending on e.g. space exploration results in an increase in new private financial assets in the form of business and employee bank deposits (and realistically with some multiplier greater than one).
In retrospect, the parent could have meant a government program to repayprivate debt, but it seems doubtful - and in any event such a program would need to be deficit funded.
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At the same time they're making some of the same stupid mistakes their grandparents did
Not really, but never let the facts get in the way of self-congratulation!
Compared to recent past generations, millennials commit fewer violent crimes, are less likely to have unplanned pregnancies, are more educated and more tolerant. Given the amount of social research now available, these and other related trends can all be verified with trivial effort.
Just because you and Socrates don't like the young people you meet, doesn't mean social progress stopped the day you came of age.
The defeat of Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, and Fascist Italy don't ring a bell? Ending the death camps and the Holocaust? Helping to rebuild Europe?
And, logically, establishing Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan and Fascist Italy, creating the death camps, committing the holocaust and destroying Europe.
Green Peace is not run by millenials. It's run by Boomers, as would have been revealed by a trivial amount of online research.
By the way, channeling ancient Greek complaints about the youth isn't exactly original.
Calls come in and calls go out.
You can't explain that!
form a structure more complex than the traditional "really-long double-helix".
I do think TFS is a little misleading, since all the structures are still made out of helices (with bends and junctions and so forth).
OK, I see my mistake - I was thinking a giga (cubic parsec), not a cubic gigaparsec like the article clearly states. Thanks.
The article says these stars should have a density of about 100,000 per cubic gigaparsec (around 3 * 10^10 cubic light-years). The volume of our galaxy is around 3 * 10^13 cubic light years, which would imply something like 100 million of these stars in our relative vicinity - equivalent to about 0.1% of all the stars in the Milky Way. That seems like a huge proportion to me. Am I missing something?
Actually, "alla sudden" there were a bunch of new distribution methods which destroyed the artificial scarcity model of business in the entertainment industry. Things are heading back to the way they were before the 1920's in a lot of ways...
Torrents are an accepted distribution practice
Not only that, torrents are the technically superior distribution method for large files.
It's well known that many packages will begin requiring systemd over time. That's why the fork wasn't announced until now, after Debian chose not to be init-agnostic once and for all.
And my point is that ascribing to these developers a desire to maliciously weaken Debian is groundless and inflammatory.
The motivation is to have a Linux distribution which has 1) stability, 2) easy package management and 3) doesn't require systemd. Debian is a great place to start for (1) and (2), while having (3) means that the distro maintains compatibility with critical code on which many jobs depend, maintains stability while systemd is in flux and will appeal to users/admins who disagree with some of the key design decisions made in systemd. Seems legit to me.
Personally, I've been waiting for a fork like this, because I use Debian but don't like binary loggers or init systems with embedded QR encoders. I do like the approach taken by uselessd, which is to adopt the best parts about systemd while leaving out the questionable components (binary logging, embedded web server, etc.) and keeping a good separation of concerns between init and the rest of the system. On the other hand, I will be disappointed if Devuan requires SysV init the way other distros are requiring systemd. The worst part of the whole systemd debacle is all the pointless acrimony, but the second worst part might be the false dichotomies drawn between SysV and systemd as the "one old, bad way" and the "one new, good way." There's just a lot more to it than that - and it looks like this fork is going to be the only way to use Debian with SysV, systemd, uselessd, upstart or whatever gives you what you need from an init system.
It's true that politicians from both parties are responsible for gerrymandering. That's why, in California, we took redistricting out of the hands of politicians entirely. Legislators from both parties fought the measure - but they failed. I hope other states follow suit - the results have already been positive for representation in California, with many more competitive races (including some between candidates from the same party).
With the citizen's redistricting committee and open primaries, we may even have third party candidates start to win local elections.
This isn't a "downstream branch" like Ubuntu, which strengthens the community by sending patches upstream
That's a groundless assertion - there is no reason (technical or political) that Devuan wouldn't send patches upstream for general packages.
Those people who created this fork are a bunch of malcontents that are whining because they didn't get their way.
So according to you, people should devote their time and effort for free to software they don't like, and if they don't they're "whiny malcontents." One of the key aspects of FOSS is the freedom to run and work on the software that you like and support. Once you understand that, you can stop whining about decisions you disagree with and get to work on something useful. In fact, that's the whole idea behind this fork.
This is breaking up of a strong community, and it's now going to be inherently weaker.
More groundless FUD. Do you think whining about this is helping FOSS or Debian?
LibreOffice is developed by (most of) the original OpenOffice team. They resigned enmasse from Oracle once it was clear that Oracle didn't want to continue putting money into the project.
just taking issue with the packaging
Not just the packaging, but also binary logging and cruft like embedded web servers and QR encoders.
And after that...a congressionally mandated, nationwide, exclusive 50 year contract for Diebold. <\sarcasm>
I was kinda replying to both posts, so I just replied to the non-AC. I did use the pure-touch screen machines when I was a student poll worker in 2004. Those were the Diebold machines which connected to a phone line, and whose only paper trail was receipt printed by the machine on heat-sensitive paper. I remember advising many people to submit paper ballots instead...
The built in fall-back in good. Even if the polling place is just locked in the morning - we vote on the sidewalk.
it might be state-wide by now.
I've been an elections inspector (head worker at a polling place) in Alameda county a few times, and AFAIK almost every county in California is using this type of optical-scan system. There are also some special systems for disabled voters using touchscreens or audio devices.
My thinking is that it could be programmed to reject valid votes to give an edge to one political candidate
If a single machine were reprogrammed, it would be detected when the scanner cartridge was audited. There are also uniquely numbered pull-tie-like seals protecting the sensitive parts of the machine, so any unauthorized access is likely to be noticed.
or to give poll workers knowledge of who is voting democrat or republican, etc.
We already have this knowledge, as voter registration is listed in the street index used to identify voters at the polling place. Not only that, but another copy must be posted outside the polling place. As voters are crossed off the list, the "outside" street index can be used by party campaigns to see who hasn't voted. In some places, they'll actually use this information to go to your house and ask you to go vote (if you're registered with their party).
I've worked as an "elections inspector" (actually the head worker at one polling place) in California a few times, and this is pretty much the system used by most counties here.
There are a few ways for voters to mess up the scanner, but in general if there are voting errors the ballot will be rejected and a new ballot card will be issued. It's possible for them to jam the machine, and we need special permission or a higher-level election worker to open it up to clear. There are a series of numbered, zip-tie-like seals which are applied in various places to ensure tampering is detected. In addition to the ballots, there are detailed logs on the memory cartridge, which are printed out in duplicate as "receipts" from the machine itself.
All in all, I think it's a fairly low-tech, low-risk system.
sounds like a witchhunt to me
You're not wrong.
It's an extra 500 grams to use a RTG from the 1970s. So in fact, there would likely have been no extra mass to carry with a modern RTG.
The considerations leading to solar over RTG were 1) the (lack of) experience of the ESA with RTG technology after NASA left the project, 2) the silly political optics of "nuclear" anything, 4) cost and 3) the ultimately limited scientific goals of the lander component, which made the possibility of a 60 hour run time an acceptable risk. How much of a role each of these considerations played is known only to the design team...
They're one kind of private asset. There are others.
Other private assets have corresponding private liabilities; they don't represent net financial assets. Assuming a trade deficit (and concomitant capital surplus), any net private financial surplus is exactly equal to the net public deficit.
"public liability" refers to the majority of future taxpayers who will be made to service the interest on the debt
Not really. Under the modern system, the interest payments are in fact included in the face value at redemption, which consists merely of debiting securities accounts and crediting reserve accounts at the Federal Reserve. In other words, the interest payment is really printed at the same time the debt instrument itself is printed.
interest-generating "private assets" end up in the hands of those select few with the ready capital (both financial and political) to purchase them
Agreed, and I would support a change to direct money issuance for most federal spending as opposed to the current system. However, that doesn't make "using tax money to repay debt" (as mentioned in the parent) a "better" use of money than, say, space exploration. As monetary policy under the so-called new normal has shown, quantitative easing does not alter private net financial assets or create inflation. The inflationary cost was borne at the time the debt was issued. In contrast to debt repayment, federal spending on e.g. space exploration results in an increase in new private financial assets in the form of business and employee bank deposits (and realistically with some multiplier greater than one).
In retrospect, the parent could have meant a government program to repayprivate debt, but it seems doubtful - and in any event such a program would need to be deficit funded.
since Dotcom has extradition preceding against him he is is a fugitive
A fugitive is someone on the run from justice, not someone willingly submitting to standard extradition protocol under an extant treaty.
Man, arguments would be so much easier if I were willing to just make up definitions to suit my purposes, like you. Oh well.
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