Do you seriously think that you would have had such an explosion in the US economy and Tech industry if no H1-B visas were ever issued.
I think the point being made was that workers in the US on H-1B visas are not able to demand anything. Deportation is held over their heads if they don't 'play ball'. If they are given 80 hour
weeks or crappy conditions etc. they either take it or go home to wherever. They are not part of the free economy. It's not that they are foreign workers, it's that they are not free to move
in the economy like a citizen would. They are defacto indentured servants. And that's damn near dejure.
Suppose that you could not leave the first job you ever had and that you were now under the most oppressive manager you've ever known making less than what you make now. Suppose
that if you complained you would be shipped back to Calcutta. What would you do? Keep the wogs down, eh? It's fine if they come and do some cheap work as long as they go home at
the end of the term?
I say give them green cards as rapidly as possible and invite them to become permanent citizens, free to compete and innovate in the marketplace. Our society needs intelligent, productive
members. The more the merrier.
If the Illegal Immigrant is smarter and more interested in working why not, Survival of the fittest. If you have more right to stay in this country because you were
born here then native americans have more right to live here than you do, ethically speaking. Moreover H1-B's are not illegal.
Hmm, lets see, illegal worker 'Joe' is not protected by any labor law and cannot protest abuses to an authority. If he does, he's deported. So he keeps his mouth shut. And accepts outrageous
treatment so he can make his $5 bucks a day. The employer is free to treat him in any way he pleases because conditions are worse back home. If he were here legally he would have the
protection of the law and would therefor be in a much better position to negotiate a wage.
If the IT workers coming in on H-1B's were given free green cards instead so that they were able to seek the best job for themselves, their pay would be quite different too.
Oi Vey!
Discalimer: I usualy do not right narrow minded emails such as this but, it drives me up the wall when people write without analyzing the situation at hand. Oh, don't sell yourself short, I'm
sure you 'right' many narrow-minded e-mails. 'Discalimer' or not. Now if you could just find that damn spell checker.
I dare you to find a SECOND source to qualify, put in context, and legitimize the statements on this site...
The fact that few people say a thing is not proof that that thing is false. Merely unpopular.
When I was in college (UCSB, '86), this very issue came up. This funding mechanism was enacted for CalPIRG. Prior to this, a student had to take action to contribute by checking a box on a form or filling out an extra card (I can't recall exactly). Local rable rousers whined about student apathy, their favorite complaint. Imagine, students who actualy study rather than run about and protest. Anyway, some sharpy realized they could make good use of that supposed apathy.
A contribution was billed to you by default, unless you stepped out of the registration line and filled out an extra form to decline. Brilliant! While little Johnnie is stressed about getting into a Calc II section he's not going to be thinking about a buck for CalPIRG.
I even wrote a letter to the editor of the Daily Nexus (UCSB's student rag) which they printed. I imagine it's on archive there if you really want to confirm what was going on then. As to whether Ralph had a hand in the changed practices, I really can't say.
As for the issue of R. Nader's relative merits as candidate... ha! Uncle Nanny! Green Party? double HA! If I wanted to live in some scandanavian socialist workers paradise, I'd move to Sweden. But then I'd be paying 50% or more of my income out in taxes. OK, great he's in opposition to big business intersts etc. but he most certainly not in a opposition to big government.
We've been told for so long that we need a big fed to protect us from the nasty ol' world that the simpler among us actually believe it.
The subtext of most of the current political party's policies seems to be "Vote for me and I'll take the other 49%'s money and give it to you." And I'll take a little cut for my trouble. heh.
Why? - Perhaps I've missed something but if the goal of the FBI is to intercept messages from and to a specific address would it not be simpler to present the ISP with a warrant for a tap? The ISP could easily, I'm sure, forward all mail from and to the target address to an FBI collector account. What would be so hard about that? Trivial!
We're From the Government and We're here to Help (Beware Greeks Bearing Gifts) - Of course if the goal is limited to simply the execution of an e-mail-tap (?) then this is all you'd really need. No magic 'Carnivoure' boxes that can (but we promise it won't, trust us we're the governement) also see other traffic for which it has no warrant? The are no coincidences with regards to the Federal security apperatice. To assume incompetence & stupidity may be reassuring but to accept that assumption would be foolish at best.
The Camels Nose. - The goal is obviously to place a device into major ISP's networks. As someone else said, carnivore 1.0 get's approved but we end up with carvinoure 2.0 or better. 1.0 is the kinder gentler version while 2.0 would be the leather clad, chainsaw weilding, ass kicking version (from hell). Geez, there is really nothing magic about our freedoms. They are being eroded by venal, power hungery men - not "the government." Corrupt individuals. Hoover's extensive files on enemies is fairly well known. He used the agency as a personal tool of power. As long as we elect charismatic men of low character we'll continue to get what we deserve.
Control the Chokepoints - Even if all those involved with Carivoure and similiar systems would never abuse it, what is being created are the tools of a despot and we permit their existence at our own peril. Any group who willingly place collars about their necks should not be surprised to find a chain attached to it.
Todays Reading list:
The Puzzle Palace (inside the National Security Agency...)
Bush and the bulk of the GOP are every bit as dangerous as Clinton and the bulk of the Democrats.
Mostly true IMHO, but I still believe Bush is a lesser of two evils. Attacks on the constitution have been in progress for quite a while, argueably commencing with FDR. Heck, he added three(?) justices to the supreme court to get his agenda through! Imagine Clinton or Bush making the Supreme court 15 justices. The man had no shame!
While it was only a single issue, I thought the reponses offered by Bush and Gore to the question of school kids getting at pr0n was interesting.
Bush was critisized for recommending that libraries and public schools (public istitution receiving federal funds) implement some sort of filtering software. OK, not great. But did you ever see Penthouse offered in a library or school? Also these are limited to individual machines. Simple to implement and to disable.
Gore offered to force all ISP's to log *all* traffic by IP address. Who gets to see the logs (and who the hell would pay for all the storage?) How long before they would be routinely inspected by law enforcement agencies to protect the public safety and 'the children'? You tell me which is more intrusive and prone to abuse.
Hopefully Bush will renege on Wassemar and remove controls on crypto.
BTW, I voted for Harry Brown.
If you put a collar on for 'protection' today, don't be surprised to find a chain attached tomorrow.
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Hmm, MY library has refused to carry Penthouse or Playboy in the periodicals section. How about your library? Does that constitute censorship too?
I think the point being made was that workers in the US on H-1B visas are not able to demand anything. Deportation is held over their heads if they don't 'play ball'. If they are given 80 hour weeks or crappy conditions etc. they either take it or go home to wherever. They are not part of the free economy. It's not that they are foreign workers, it's that they are not free to move in the economy like a citizen would. They are defacto indentured servants. And that's damn near dejure.
Suppose that you could not leave the first job you ever had and that you were now under the most oppressive manager you've ever known making less than what you make now. Suppose that if you complained you would be shipped back to Calcutta. What would you do? Keep the wogs down, eh? It's fine if they come and do some cheap work as long as they go home at the end of the term?
I say give them green cards as rapidly as possible and invite them to become permanent citizens, free to compete and innovate in the marketplace. Our society needs intelligent, productive members. The more the merrier.
If the Illegal Immigrant is smarter and more interested in working why not, Survival of the fittest. If you have more right to stay in this country because you were born here then native americans have more right to live here than you do, ethically speaking. Moreover H1-B's are not illegal.
Hmm, lets see, illegal worker 'Joe' is not protected by any labor law and cannot protest abuses to an authority. If he does, he's deported. So he keeps his mouth shut. And accepts outrageous treatment so he can make his $5 bucks a day. The employer is free to treat him in any way he pleases because conditions are worse back home. If he were here legally he would have the protection of the law and would therefor be in a much better position to negotiate a wage.
If the IT workers coming in on H-1B's were given free green cards instead so that they were able to seek the best job for themselves, their pay would be quite different too.
Oi Vey! Discalimer: I usualy do not right narrow minded emails such as this but, it drives me up the wall when people write without analyzing the situation at hand. Oh, don't sell yourself short, I'm sure you 'right' many narrow-minded e-mails. 'Discalimer' or not. Now if you could just find that damn spell checker.
The fact that few people say a thing is not proof that that thing is false. Merely unpopular.
When I was in college (UCSB, '86), this very issue came up. This funding mechanism was enacted for CalPIRG. Prior to this, a student had to take action to contribute by checking a box on a form or filling out an extra card (I can't recall exactly). Local rable rousers whined about student apathy, their favorite complaint. Imagine, students who actualy study rather than run about and protest. Anyway, some sharpy realized they could make good use of that supposed apathy.
A contribution was billed to you by default, unless you stepped out of the registration line and filled out an extra form to decline. Brilliant! While little Johnnie is stressed about getting into a Calc II section he's not going to be thinking about a buck for CalPIRG.
I even wrote a letter to the editor of the Daily Nexus (UCSB's student rag) which they printed. I imagine it's on archive there if you really want to confirm what was going on then. As to whether Ralph had a hand in the changed practices, I really can't say.
As for the issue of R. Nader's relative merits as candidate... ha! Uncle Nanny! Green Party? double HA! If I wanted to live in some scandanavian socialist workers paradise, I'd move to Sweden. But then I'd be paying 50% or more of my income out in taxes. OK, great he's in opposition to big business intersts etc. but he most certainly not in a opposition to big government.
We've been told for so long that we need a big fed to protect us from the nasty ol' world that the simpler among us actually believe it.
The subtext of most of the current political party's policies seems to be "Vote for me and I'll take the other 49%'s money and give it to you." And I'll take a little cut for my trouble. heh.
We're From the Government and We're here to Help (Beware Greeks Bearing Gifts) - Of course if the goal is limited to simply the execution of an e-mail-tap (?) then this is all you'd really need. No magic 'Carnivoure' boxes that can (but we promise it won't, trust us we're the governement) also see other traffic for which it has no warrant? The are no coincidences with regards to the Federal security apperatice. To assume incompetence & stupidity may be reassuring but to accept that assumption would be foolish at best.
The Camels Nose. - The goal is obviously to place a device into major ISP's networks. As someone else said, carnivore 1.0 get's approved but we end up with carvinoure 2.0 or better. 1.0 is the kinder gentler version while 2.0 would be the leather clad, chainsaw weilding, ass kicking version (from hell). Geez, there is really nothing magic about our freedoms. They are being eroded by venal, power hungery men - not "the government." Corrupt individuals. Hoover's extensive files on enemies is fairly well known. He used the agency as a personal tool of power. As long as we elect charismatic men of low character we'll continue to get what we deserve.
Control the Chokepoints - Even if all those involved with Carivoure and similiar systems would never abuse it, what is being created are the tools of a despot and we permit their existence at our own peril. Any group who willingly place collars about their necks should not be surprised to find a chain attached to it.
Todays Reading list:
The Puzzle Palace (inside the National Security Agency...)
-James Bamford
ISBN 0-14-006748-5
Mostly true IMHO, but I still believe Bush is a lesser of two evils. Attacks on the constitution have been in progress for quite a while, argueably commencing with FDR. Heck, he added three(?) justices to the supreme court to get his agenda through! Imagine Clinton or Bush making the Supreme court 15 justices. The man had no shame!
While it was only a single issue, I thought the reponses offered by Bush and Gore to the question of school kids getting at pr0n was interesting.
Bush was critisized for recommending that libraries and public schools (public istitution receiving federal funds) implement some sort of filtering software. OK, not great. But did you ever see Penthouse offered in a library or school? Also these are limited to individual machines. Simple to implement and to disable.
Gore offered to force all ISP's to log *all* traffic by IP address. Who gets to see the logs (and who the hell would pay for all the storage?) How long before they would be routinely inspected by law enforcement agencies to protect the public safety and 'the children'? You tell me which is more intrusive and prone to abuse.
Hopefully Bush will renege on Wassemar and remove controls on crypto.
BTW, I voted for Harry Brown.
If you put a collar on for 'protection' today, don't be surprised to find a chain attached tomorrow.