("field" gets passed in as a parameter). The slash is so I only get local disks, the rest shows a list of sizes for those disks/partitions and a sum for the whole thing. Since I can pick the field to sum, I can show free OR used space. This is a Tru64 box, I haven't run it on Linux so I'm not sure the field numbers are the same, etc.
As for your more general point: Yes, I'm sure AppleScript will do this. AppleScript is text-based, not GUI based. That's my point. There are somethings a GUI can't do. -- Have Exchange users? Want to run Linux? Can't afford OpenMail?
That's funny, I've been thinking of creating a similar piece of software myself. Great minds, blah blah blah.
FilterTop does conform to my example, but how about meta-scripting? I can write a script that will generate a script that will do work. Can I write a filter that will generate a filter? Can I "write" that filter graphically (if there's a "scripting language", the point is moot)? -- Have Exchange users? Want to run Linux? Can't afford OpenMail?
"Are you volunteering to be the guy who scoops up the 170 tons of manure daily off the streets of every average sized city?"
Are YOU volunteering to be the guy who scoops up the 170 tons of pollution daily out of the skies of every average sized city? -- Have Exchange users? Want to run Linux? Can't afford OpenMail?
Car: In what way is this more powerful than, say, a horse?
Phone: OK, true, this is powerful and simple. But how much of that power can you access from the simple interface? You can dial a number and sometimes interact with a computer. Anything more powerful and you're talking complication: ISDN springs to mind. -- Have Exchange users? Want to run Linux? Can't afford OpenMail?
How do you do a pipe with a GUI? How do you do complex but automated text processing?
"The point of the computer is to have its processor used to its fullest extent. What good would a grand new G4 do me if I were typing up docs in emacs or pico?
So we have GUIs in order to use up our extra clock cycles? Apparently that's all you use a high-powered CPU--but I use it to crunch numbers, play games and do work. -- Have Exchange users? Want to run Linux? Can't afford OpenMail?
Speaking of "who are you", who the heck is "michael" (the poster of this story)? Maybe we could get a list of who all these/. posters are? -- Have Exchange users? Want to run Linux? Can't afford OpenMail?
This is not flamebait or a troll, but it is somewhat unkind to (current) Macs and other popular views. Deal with it.
Up until now MacOS has had a good GUI only. The OS itself hasn't been very powerful. On the other hand, the various Unices have been the exact opposite. Windows has been a (not-so-)happy medium.
So what happens when you put a good GUI on top of a good core? The obvious answer is: You take over the world. But what if you don't? That is, what if the real power of Unix is the combination of power AND the know-how of the people who took the time to learn it?
If this happens, will we finally see an end to the countless "GUI for Linux" projects (not to mention advocates)? Or will these people never admit that a computer isn't like a car? (Cars provide a linear service--travel. Computers provide a non-linear service--emulation of any machine [in the mathematical sense]).
If we look around at the non-computing world, do we see any simple AND powerful products in the hands of Average Joe? (A CD player is more advanced than a record player--but is it more powerful?) I can't think of any...
I think the reason for this is clear: Powerful devices require thought. Simple devices are designed to not require thought. These goals don't mesh very well.
Understand, though, I'm not saying "any GUI is a bad GUI" and I'm not saying "you can't get better than [cli|X|whatever]". I AM saying "Beyond a certain point, GUIs enter a region of tradeoff between power and simplicity. What is that point and how will we know when we've reached it?" -- Have Exchange users? Want to run Linux? Can't afford OpenMail?
...but couldn't you solve this by not mounting the flywheel to the frame of the car? Just mount the flywheel in a gimbal. Then it can precess all it wants.
To recapture the energy of the wheel, mount a small electric generator at the end of the flywheel axle where it mounts to the gimbal.
-- Have Exchange users? Want to run Linux? Can't afford OpenMail?
...so what ARE the real numbers? From your comments about not holding the clinic every day, I'll assume that "150 total" is right. That makes the percentage 6.25%. So your question about "look around you" becomes "Have 1/16 of the 22 year-olds you know had surgery in the past 6 months?"
Could be. I don't know 16 22 year-olds, let alone the hundreds needed to make this a scientific question. But I do know that whenever I had anything done (especially something disgusting or embarassing) I didn't shout it from the rooftops. In any case, your numbers don't sound all that anomalous by themselves to this layman. -- Have Exchange users? Want to run Linux? Can't afford OpenMail?
"...we typically did 2 or 3 of those per day. I would say, over the 6-month duration of the "cruise", that we performed roughly 150 benign mass excisions."
6 months * 30 days/month = 180 days. If you did 150 total, that's less than 1 per day.
But let's give you the benefit of the doubt: Maybe you worked only 5 days/week. That's 6 months * 20 days/month = 120 days. Just over 1 excision/day.
So which is it? 1 per day or "2 or 3"?
Let's take it from another angle. 16% of 2400 is 384. But wait, you said you did 150 excisions. Can one person receive less than one excision?
Your numbers just don't add up and your "statistical" methods are pretty weak (are the 22-year-olds on your ship a random sample? how about comparing data from other ships/wars?, etc). -- Have Exchange users? Want to run Linux? Can't afford OpenMail?
If I was absolutely sure I wouldn't be caught, I'd be putting out viruses to beat the band. Why? Many reasons:
-to see if I can -to point out security problem in a dramatic manner -"tough love" -how does a given virus spread and to whom? -what can I make a virus do?
As an example of this last one, I was thinking of a hypothetical virus in the shower this morning. The virus is non-malicious. It just installs a daemon on your computer. But the daemon is like a distributed.net client. So once it got propagated pretty good, I could submit tasks to these daemons and get answers back. Pretty neat, huh? Now make the daemons talk to each other. Make them pass MP3s (and DeCSS) back and forth. Hey! I've re-implemented FreeNet! If you read Slashdot you have to admit this idea intrigues you.
BTW, I would do this all anonymously. I wouldn't be in it for the attention. Just the intellectual stimulation. -- Have Exchange users? Want to run Linux? Can't afford OpenMail?
This virus may finally push a significant people over the edge to not running Windows (or at least no longer believing the "party line" from Redmond).
Why this virus? Because there is no effective cure yet. The "patch" issued earlier this week by MS is a joke both superficially (filter attachments by name) and fundamentally (see ntbugtraq). So we are now in a state where ANYONE who can program VBS (and who can't?) can create self-propagating nightmare for network admins and there's no fix in the foreseeable future.
MS can't fix this problem from their end. It has to be solved by individual admins. And as soon as admins are allowed/forced to think for themselves without any input from The Beast, a significant number of them are going to wake up and realize the real solution: Ditch Windows. -- Have Exchange users? Want to run Linux? Can't afford OpenMail?
I was at a smallish computer shop a few months ago. There was an older couple looking at the "hot deal" computer and picking "options". On of the things they wanted was a DVD player. Here's how the conversation went:
Woman: We want a DVD player. Clerk: Why? Woman: (unsure)...to watch DVDs. Clerk: How big is your television? Man: 31 inches Clerk: This monitor is 19 inches. Why not buy a DVD player separately and hook it to your TV?
That's exactly my feeling. Why on earth would I want to watch a DVD on my computer? The only conceivable reason I can come up with is easy video captures. Is that what everyone is doing? Renting porn on DVD and making a killing with video clips? -- Have Exchange users? Want to run Linux? Can't afford OpenMail?
If your Palm has low battery life, you either have a broken device or bad batteries. I've owned two different Palms (Pilot 5000 and IIIe). The first one lasted several (>6) weeks on a pair of AAAs. The second one still has the original batteries in it three months after I bought it--and they are only about 30% used.
Clearly these results depend on usage patterns, but even if you used your 10 times more than I do you should be getting multi-week uptimes. -- Have Exchange users? Want to run Linux? Can't afford OpenMail?
Keep in mind that this is Average Joe making these comments. I'm no expert on usability.
Yes, orange is attention getting. That's why it should be used 1) sparingly and 2) to highlight something important. For instance, alistapart uses it as the background for the header (foreground: light orange). The most charitable description is: it provides a...bold...border.
The size of the navigation links on the right (still alistapart) would be great in print media (where I would have to look at them at most once), but for navigation they aren't so hot. The size is such that I have to actually pause to read each one (to wait for my eyes to swivel from left to right) and locating the mouse-pointer against the busy-ness is somewhat difficult (especially because of the mouse-over effect distracting the eye).
I don't like the status-bar effect much in general for the following reasons:
1) My eyes follow the mouse pointer. Continually glancing down at the statusbar is at best non-intuitive and at worst poor ergonomics.
2) If you need to provide an "explanation" of a link, that's an indication that the link itself is poorly designed. Don't give extra info through another channel--fix the first channel.
3) It's easy to get "burned" following a link if you can't see where it goes.
Well, that's about it until someone pays me to do this. 8^) -- Have Exchange users? Want to run Linux? Can't afford OpenMail?
Zeldman is either color-blind or trapped in the 70's.
The only orange uglier than the one he can't stop using was the carpet in my first apartment. But that was SHAG. -- Have Exchange users? Want to run Linux? Can't afford OpenMail?
I was not parroting anyone in my comment, nor did I get the sense that anyone else was.
I read Roblimo's praise with a great deal of interest and thought to myself "here's a chance to see a well-designed, easy to use site". I followed the link. It looked like something a teenager-turned-"web-consultant" would create. I immediately left and made my comment.
Clearly at least 4 other people agreed with me (I post at 1). Since there were many such comments (plus moderations of those comments) AND since none of these got moderated out of existence I think we can say that this was a widespread reaction.
Maybe the problem was the hype that Roblimo gave us. Maybe your non-personal work is very different. But the fact remains that your design put a lot of people off. If you are doing it for "artisitic" reasons, then be my guest. But if you are desiging commercially, then I suggest you listen to the masses.
What do I (and at least some of the masses) want?
-Every page has meaningful content -Simple clear navigation -Easily readable text including appropriate choice of color and font/font size. -Don't mess with my browser (i.e., leave the buttons and status-line alone)
Whatever else you say about Slashdot, it follows these simple but important rules. No crazy java[script] here, just straight HTML (not entirely compliant HTML, but HTML nonetheless). -- Have Exchange users? Want to run Linux? Can't afford OpenMail?
In WA we had some good banks with good rates. In NH the banking absolutely sucks. They have no clue about customer service, every account at every bank (with the exception of the one account I was able to find) has a minimum balance of $750-$1000, rates for CDs are in the mid-4's. -- Have Exchange users? Want to run Linux? Can't afford OpenMail?
Banking online: so do it
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I was looking around for good interest rates on a money market or CD and I found a 7.45% (yes, over 7%) 1 year CD over at etradebank.com. Many of the other online banks have similar rates. Little or no fees.
I have no idea what their checking accounts and bill-pay stuff are like because I'm only in it for the money, not the supposed convenience. But what's stopping you? -- Have Exchange users? Want to run Linux? Can't afford OpenMail?
1) While it IS an MLM, it is NOT a Ponzi (aka pyramid) scheme.
2) Read the page about how you get kicked out if you are discovered or reported spamming. -- Have Exchange users? Want to run Linux? Can't afford OpenMail?
The problem is over-optimistic smart people who are too certain that they've worked all the problems out of a system, without any real testing.
If they've only created one or two programs, they are "functionally stupid": they don't yet know enough to be smart.
And, no offense, if you've been programming any time at all and can't yet give a time estimate within 10% of actual about 80% of the time then you have no business calling yourself a programmer. -- Have Exchange users? Want to run Linux? Can't afford OpenMail?
I am not racist. I think racism is a terrible thing. I am totally against racism.
But I am ALSO against egoism. My (current) views are not gospel. I would never purge an international archive to remove those things and only those things that I personally find offensive. I would especially not do this if it meant that everyone was going to. We'd have nothing left.
Trying to distinguish between "good examples like nudity" and "bad examples like racism" is exactly how we got in this mess. There are people who think nudity was a "bad example": "Viewing porn makes people rapists, ya know", they'll say. -- Have Exchange users? Want to run Linux? Can't afford OpenMail?
Slashdot Mirror
I actually just typed part of a command I was working on just then. The full thing is:
df -k | awk '/^\// {sum+=$field; print $field "\t" $6} END {print "-------"; print sum, "KB"}' field=$field
("field" gets passed in as a parameter). The slash is so I only get local disks, the rest shows a list of sizes for those disks/partitions and a sum for the whole thing. Since I can pick the field to sum, I can show free OR used space. This is a Tru64 box, I haven't run it on Linux so I'm not sure the field numbers are the same, etc.
As for your more general point: Yes, I'm sure AppleScript will do this. AppleScript is text-based, not GUI based. That's my point. There are somethings a GUI can't do.
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That's funny, I've been thinking of creating a similar piece of software myself. Great minds, blah blah blah.
FilterTop does conform to my example, but how about meta-scripting? I can write a script that will generate a script that will do work. Can I write a filter that will generate a filter? Can I "write" that filter graphically (if there's a "scripting language", the point is moot)?
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"Are you volunteering to be the guy who scoops up the 170 tons of manure daily off the streets of every average sized city?"
Are YOU volunteering to be the guy who scoops up the 170 tons of pollution daily out of the skies of every average sized city?
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Car: In what way is this more powerful than, say, a horse?
Phone: OK, true, this is powerful and simple. But how much of that power can you access from the simple interface? You can dial a number and sometimes interact with a computer. Anything more powerful and you're talking complication: ISDN springs to mind.
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df | awk '/\// {print $4}'
How do you do a pipe with a GUI? How do you do complex but automated text processing?
"The point of the computer is to have its processor used to its fullest extent. What good would a grand new G4 do me if I were typing up docs in emacs or pico?
So we have GUIs in order to use up our extra clock cycles? Apparently that's all you use a high-powered CPU--but I use it to crunch numbers, play games and do work.
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404 File Not Found
The requested URL (authors) is not found.
If you feel like it, mail the url, and where ya came from to pater@slashdot.org
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Speaking of "who are you", who the heck is "michael" (the poster of this story)? Maybe we could get a list of who all these /. posters are?
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This is not flamebait or a troll, but it is somewhat unkind to (current) Macs and other popular views. Deal with it.
Up until now MacOS has had a good GUI only. The OS itself hasn't been very powerful. On the other hand, the various Unices have been the exact opposite. Windows has been a (not-so-)happy medium.
So what happens when you put a good GUI on top of a good core? The obvious answer is: You take over the world. But what if you don't? That is, what if the real power of Unix is the combination of power AND the know-how of the people who took the time to learn it?
If this happens, will we finally see an end to the countless "GUI for Linux" projects (not to mention advocates)? Or will these people never admit that a computer isn't like a car? (Cars provide a linear service--travel. Computers provide a non-linear service--emulation of any machine [in the mathematical sense]).
If we look around at the non-computing world, do we see any simple AND powerful products in the hands of Average Joe? (A CD player is more advanced than a record player--but is it more powerful?) I can't think of any...
I think the reason for this is clear: Powerful devices require thought. Simple devices are designed to not require thought. These goals don't mesh very well.
Understand, though, I'm not saying "any GUI is a bad GUI" and I'm not saying "you can't get better than [cli|X|whatever]". I AM saying "Beyond a certain point, GUIs enter a region of tradeoff between power and simplicity. What is that point and how will we know when we've reached it?"
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...but couldn't you solve this by not mounting the flywheel to the frame of the car? Just mount the flywheel in a gimbal. Then it can precess all it wants.
To recapture the energy of the wheel, mount a small electric generator at the end of the flywheel axle where it mounts to the gimbal.
--
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...so what ARE the real numbers? From your comments about not holding the clinic every day, I'll assume that "150 total" is right. That makes the percentage 6.25%. So your question about "look around you" becomes "Have 1/16 of the 22 year-olds you know had surgery in the past 6 months?"
Could be. I don't know 16 22 year-olds, let alone the hundreds needed to make this a scientific question. But I do know that whenever I had anything done (especially something disgusting or embarassing) I didn't shout it from the rooftops. In any case, your numbers don't sound all that anomalous by themselves to this layman.
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"...we typically did 2 or 3 of those per day. I would say, over the 6-month duration of the "cruise", that we performed roughly 150 benign mass excisions."
6 months * 30 days/month = 180 days. If you did 150 total, that's less than 1 per day.
But let's give you the benefit of the doubt: Maybe you worked only 5 days/week. That's 6 months * 20 days/month = 120 days. Just over 1 excision/day.
So which is it? 1 per day or "2 or 3"?
Let's take it from another angle. 16% of 2400 is 384. But wait, you said you did 150 excisions. Can one person receive less than one excision?
Your numbers just don't add up and your "statistical" methods are pretty weak (are the 22-year-olds on your ship a random sample? how about comparing data from other ships/wars?, etc).
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...but only because I'm a coward.
If I was absolutely sure I wouldn't be caught, I'd be putting out viruses to beat the band. Why? Many reasons:
-to see if I can
-to point out security problem in a dramatic manner
-"tough love"
-how does a given virus spread and to whom?
-what can I make a virus do?
As an example of this last one, I was thinking of a hypothetical virus in the shower this morning. The virus is non-malicious. It just installs a daemon on your computer. But the daemon is like a distributed.net client. So once it got propagated pretty good, I could submit tasks to these daemons and get answers back. Pretty neat, huh? Now make the daemons talk to each other. Make them pass MP3s (and DeCSS) back and forth. Hey! I've re-implemented FreeNet! If you read Slashdot you have to admit this idea intrigues you.
BTW, I would do this all anonymously. I wouldn't be in it for the attention. Just the intellectual stimulation.
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This virus may finally push a significant people over the edge to not running Windows (or at least no longer believing the "party line" from Redmond).
Why this virus? Because there is no effective cure yet. The "patch" issued earlier this week by MS is a joke both superficially (filter attachments by name) and fundamentally (see ntbugtraq). So we are now in a state where ANYONE who can program VBS (and who can't?) can create self-propagating nightmare for network admins and there's no fix in the foreseeable future.
MS can't fix this problem from their end. It has to be solved by individual admins. And as soon as admins are allowed/forced to think for themselves without any input from The Beast, a significant number of them are going to wake up and realize the real solution: Ditch Windows.
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I was at a smallish computer shop a few months ago. There was an older couple looking at the "hot deal" computer and picking "options". On of the things they wanted was a DVD player. Here's how the conversation went:
Woman: We want a DVD player.
Clerk: Why?
Woman: (unsure)...to watch DVDs.
Clerk: How big is your television?
Man: 31 inches
Clerk: This monitor is 19 inches. Why not buy a DVD player separately and hook it to your TV?
That's exactly my feeling. Why on earth would I want to watch a DVD on my computer? The only conceivable reason I can come up with is easy video captures. Is that what everyone is doing? Renting porn on DVD and making a killing with video clips?
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If your Palm has low battery life, you either have a broken device or bad batteries. I've owned two different Palms (Pilot 5000 and IIIe). The first one lasted several (>6) weeks on a pair of AAAs. The second one still has the original batteries in it three months after I bought it--and they are only about 30% used.
Clearly these results depend on usage patterns, but even if you used your 10 times more than I do you should be getting multi-week uptimes.
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I was going to be good, but this phrase just kills me:
"...RIM with their PocketGenie..."
Please stay away from my RIM device with your PocketGenie. I don't swing that way.
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Keep in mind that this is Average Joe making these comments. I'm no expert on usability.
Yes, orange is attention getting. That's why it should be used 1) sparingly and 2) to highlight something important. For instance, alistapart uses it as the background for the header (foreground: light orange). The most charitable description is: it provides a...bold...border.
The size of the navigation links on the right (still alistapart) would be great in print media (where I would have to look at them at most once), but for navigation they aren't so hot. The size is such that I have to actually pause to read each one (to wait for my eyes to swivel from left to right) and locating the mouse-pointer against the busy-ness is somewhat difficult (especially because of the mouse-over effect distracting the eye).
I don't like the status-bar effect much in general for the following reasons:
1) My eyes follow the mouse pointer. Continually glancing down at the statusbar is at best non-intuitive and at worst poor ergonomics.
2) If you need to provide an "explanation" of a link, that's an indication that the link itself is poorly designed. Don't give extra info through another channel--fix the first channel.
3) It's easy to get "burned" following a link if you can't see where it goes.
Well, that's about it until someone pays me to do this. 8^)
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Zeldman is either color-blind or trapped in the 70's.
The only orange uglier than the one he can't stop using was the carpet in my first apartment. But that was SHAG.
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...but I know what I don't like.
I was not parroting anyone in my comment, nor did I get the sense that anyone else was.
I read Roblimo's praise with a great deal of interest and thought to myself "here's a chance to see a well-designed, easy to use site". I followed the link. It looked like something a teenager-turned-"web-consultant" would create. I immediately left and made my comment.
Clearly at least 4 other people agreed with me (I post at 1). Since there were many such comments (plus moderations of those comments) AND since none of these got moderated out of existence I think we can say that this was a widespread reaction.
Maybe the problem was the hype that Roblimo gave us. Maybe your non-personal work is very different. But the fact remains that your design put a lot of people off. If you are doing it for "artisitic" reasons, then be my guest. But if you are desiging commercially, then I suggest you listen to the masses.
What do I (and at least some of the masses) want?
-Every page has meaningful content
-Simple clear navigation
-Easily readable text including appropriate choice of color and font/font size.
-Don't mess with my browser (i.e., leave the buttons and status-line alone)
Whatever else you say about Slashdot, it follows these simple but important rules. No crazy java[script] here, just straight HTML (not entirely compliant HTML, but HTML nonetheless).
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In WA we had some good banks with good rates. In NH the banking absolutely sucks. They have no clue about customer service, every account at every bank (with the exception of the one account I was able to find) has a minimum balance of $750-$1000, rates for CDs are in the mid-4's.
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I was looking around for good interest rates on a money market or CD and I found a 7.45% (yes, over 7%) 1 year CD over at etradebank.com. Many of the other online banks have similar rates. Little or no fees.
I have no idea what their checking accounts and bill-pay stuff are like because I'm only in it for the money, not the supposed convenience. But what's stopping you?
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If you give me a free S/390 I'll do a review for you...
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1) While it IS an MLM, it is NOT a Ponzi (aka pyramid) scheme.
2) Read the page about how you get kicked out if you are discovered or reported spamming.
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The problem is over-optimistic smart people who are too certain that they've worked all the problems out of a system, without any real testing.
If they've only created one or two programs, they are "functionally stupid": they don't yet know enough to be smart.
And, no offense, if you've been programming any time at all and can't yet give a time estimate within 10% of actual about 80% of the time then you have no business calling yourself a programmer.
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I am not racist. I think racism is a terrible thing. I am totally against racism.
But I am ALSO against egoism. My (current) views are not gospel. I would never purge an international archive to remove those things and only those things that I personally find offensive. I would especially not do this if it meant that everyone was going to. We'd have nothing left.
Trying to distinguish between "good examples like nudity" and "bad examples like racism" is exactly how we got in this mess. There are people who think nudity was a "bad example": "Viewing porn makes people rapists, ya know", they'll say.
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