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Right, if it follows the same process for Android phones, the first production model will have an even worse battery life, followed by the next version, that'll barely last 30 minutes between charges.
And if you dare suggest this might not be, you know, enough for the device to be useful, all the trolls will come out and demand to know why you expect such a powerful widget to have a battery life measured in hours...
They have in common a District Attorney. Therefore it's legitimate to compare them when determining whether the DA's actions are proportionate or not, and also looking for differences that might help us understand the DA's motivation.
The bit they shared the same DA was actually in the summary, which I suppose you also didn't read.
On the other hand I think she deserves a scholarship, and that the case for giving her a scholarship increases the longer and more extreme the authorities hound her. I hope there are Universities out there farsighted enough to recognize that the lynch mob (the one you've regrettably decided to join) is exceptionally damaging to the cause of education and learning, especially when on the surface at least it does appear to have the hallmarks of racial and sexual discrimination.
If you get your way, the only way to undo the damage is for others to come forward and pro-actively reward her for her actions.
While I agree that adding a keyboard turns a tablet into a useful device, it's because it becomes a not-tablet.
What's even more useful than a not-tablet is a netbook. The advantage? Well, a few: there's a proper OS that expects you to have a keyboard available on the netbook, the keyboard isn't stripped down (it's a little small OTOH, but the same is true of the not-tablet), and the keyboard is usually built in, rather than either being an entirely different unit, and thus difficult to balance with your tablet on your knee, or clumsily attached using a leather case - and usually still difficult to balance on your knee.
What'd probably actually fix the whole problem is if that Atrix "Large Android smartphone when not docked, laptop with desktop OS when docked" thing could actually take off. That'd probably require Google integrating a desktop UI into Android though, and thus far they've shown no interest in doing so. And yeah, I know Ubuntu did it, but they're not Android's primary developers.
Right, if it follows the same process for Android phones, the first production model will have an even worse battery life, followed by the next version, that'll barely last 30 minutes between charges.
And if you dare suggest this might not be, you know, enough for the device to be useful, all the trolls will come out and demand to know why you expect such a powerful widget to have a battery life measured in hours...
This is a product being used by governments to spy on citizens. Can you imagine what it would do to these investigations, legit or abusive, if the real Firefox were to pop-up a message on the screen of everyone being spied upon notifying them what's going on?
We're not just talking about ruining the reputation of the spyware company, though that would be a bonus. We're talking about heads rolling of virtually anyone who employed these suckers, which in turn should mean just a little more care is taken in future.
Firefox needs to be altered to detect the presence of the spyware, and warn those being spied upon. If it actually destroys a legitimate investigation, then so much the better.
You'd need more than a carbon tax. Indeed, a carbon tax wouldn't even be the thing that makes the major difference.
What's actually needed is a liberalization of zoning laws. It being legal to build a supermarket within walking distance of a residence will make a much bigger impact than punishing people for living far away from a supermarket they're not allowed to live close to.
A liberalization of zoning laws would also make transit systems more desirable to potential users, in turn creating practical profitable business models for running them, in turn encouraging people to open bus and, to a lesser extent, passenger train systems. Again, having public transport available to people will make a much bigger impact than punishing people for not using a public transportation system that does not exist.
I think it's amusing that most of the things that would improve the environment actually involve deregulation, more economic freedom, and more choices for people, but are kneejerk opposed by the pseudo-libertarian set because FREEDOM means being forced to live no less than two miles from the nearest supermarket, and because FREEDOM means that customers of said supermarket must be forced to subsidize those who travel to the supermarket by car.
There are actually chains that have a negative margin. Kwiksave, for example, has (or had, no idea if they're still around) a business model of simply waiting three months after delivery before paying for the items they sold. They'd make enough money from interest while they hold the payments to cover both their running costs, and to allow them to sell everything at cost or slightly below.
>{?
In fairness I took a look at their stock this morning and, however difficult it is to believe (it really is to me) it has been mostly rising throughout the entire 12 months - the few drops it's had it's recovered from, and those seem to have co-incided with general stock market jitters, not BlackBerry itself per-se.
Same way they tax companies that only engage in cash transactions.
It's not hard. Yes, there are opportunities for fraud, but when one company says it paid 1,000,000 bitcoins for a PC, and the selling company says it sold the PC to the first company for 10 bitcoins, then one or the other company has submitted a fraudulent tax return, and the truth will come out once both are investigated.
What makes this article particularly unpleasant is the deliberate misrepresentation of Google's reasons for buying Motorola. Google didn't buy Motorola to ensure it made a profit from patent royalties. It bought Motorola so it has a warchest of patents it can use if Android is attacked by a company like Nokia or Apple.
Microsoft hasn't attacked Android - it's gone to Android phone manufacturers and negotiated patent royalties, yes, but those royalties haven't been excessive and have been comparable to the royalties paid normally by mobile phone makers for key technologies. It hasn't tried to prevent Android phones from being made, nor tried to gouge Android phone makers. So Microsoft's settlement with Motorola was never going to be particularly excessive.
There's a warehouse store I frequent, with the unlikely name of "BJs, that insists on checking everyone leaving for, well, supposedly stolen merchandise.
They do this by asking for the receipt. They then look for items listed on the receipt, and verify those items are in the shopping basket. After a couple of checks to make sure different items listed on the receipt are in your basket, they wish you a good day and wave you on.
Yes, that's right. They check you have the items you bought, not that you have items you didn't buy. I'm sure the presence of a check makes people feel like they wouldn't get away with stealing anything though.
Elon doesn't have to in order to benefit from public transit. This is what the people who write letters to the editor demanding the shutting down of all subsidized transit systems forget: they benefit as much as the riders do. Each transit rider is one less car in front of them.
People will get a hamburger if they want a hamburger. People don't drive on a road simply because it's there - they drive on a road because they need to get somewhere it goes
...and it's the only option available. Yes, this part is important, let me explain why.
Note that, for example, one reason the US doesn't have many functional bus services is that most parts of the US have planning systems that force everyone to pay for car usage regardless of whether they want to use a car or not. The result is that it's uneconomic to run bus services.
Now imagine that congestion charging is introduced. Suddenly a large chunk of the costs of car usage are moved from "everyone" to "those people who are causing the problem." Those people who are causing the problem will start to look for alternatives. Eventually a balance will arise where enough people find it more economic and desirable to use a bus run by a profit-seeking company, taking 20 cars off the road per bus.
The number will still be lower than a system whereby car owners genuinely pay for direct usage, including payments to businesses for use of their parking spaces etc, but it would at least make some alternatives to car transportation profitable.
FWIW, not all journeys at rush hour are "necessary" - that is, commuters trying to get to work. This is particularly evident here in Florida where large numbers of retirees take to the roads at the same time as most commuters, largely to take advantage of breakfast specials at local restaurants. These people would be forced off the road if there was congestion charging.
And, of course, that congestion charging can be used to pay for improvements that also reduce the congestion. So it should be win-win.
You guys do know that there are half a dozen installers in the Play Store (aka the Android Market) that put a full copy of Ubuntu on your unrooted Android phone right?
I've used Maemo. I had an N800 myself. It's a nice prototype, and I don't doubt that the Meego changes, which included a revamp of the UI, have almost certainly resulted in something much more usable. But at this stage it's hard to say that Maemo's "I'm kinda GNU/Linux, except I use Busybox for no apparent reason and I use a UI that's entirely different from regular GNU/Linux meaning my touted Debianness isn't really that useful in practice" is actually so much more Linuxy than Android that it actually matters in any practical way.
I find the Amiga comparisons awkward. The Amiga was a revolutionary new system that did things in a revolutionary way, bringing technologies to the regular user that otherwise weren't available outside of high end workstations, and doing so in many ways more practically, fluid, and clean than those high end Workstations. I've used a Sun workstation circa 1990-1993. I preferred using my considerably less powerful A500+ (with 6Mb RAM and an 40Mb HD).
The better comparison might be with the Atari ST. The Atari ST wasn't a quantum leap in functionality, indeed it was practically a PC clone - minus access to the command line (which is OK because COMMAND.COM sucked), but the low cost and use of better hardware meant it attracted a large group of dedicated devotees.
I'm wondering if it's the case that many Meego enthusiasts just do not realize what Android is capable of.
Uh yes. I even described the problem with regard to UMTS phones. I'm unsure as to what in the above you thought suggested I wasn't aware of compatibility issues being present for non-LTE devices.
The question was about how a device's compatability with two different mobile networks' implementations of LTE might not be automatic. What did you think the question was?
VoLTE uses IMS. VoLTE is not a synonym for IMS, otherwise there wouldn't be a standard called VoLTE, it would be called IMS, as running plain IMS over LTE is.
There is no separate LTE voice bearer
Nobody has claimed any such thing.
Rather, there's a dedicated voice data bearer, which has its own ARP value (e.g. scheduler priority) as well as end to end QoS.
Which is rather different from plain old IMS. IMS is not a standard that covers any of those issues.
VoLTE was the result of Verizon and other carriers seeing IMS proposed as the standard for LTE voice calls. Yes, they incorporated IMS as a part of that standard, but to leap from that to "VoLTE is IMS" is a massive error. It's one part, not the whole thing. If it were the whole thing, then voice would have been rolled out over LTE from the beginning as IMS was already specified (back in the GPRS days, indeed) and was originally what LTE's designers specified.
There's a variety of possibilities here, because LTE has kinda screwed up the standards thing.
1. It might just mean frequency. For example, T-Mo's UMTS is different from AT&T's in that T-Mobile runs their's on 1700Mhz and 2100MHz, while AT&T runs their's on 850MHz and also on 1900MHz. That said, this seems unlikely, both are running LTE on 1700/2100, though AT&T is also running it on 700MHz.
2. How the two networks use their frequencies may vary, though I doubt it. Verizon and AT&T choose different ways to handle, for example, uplink and downlink frequencies when running it on their 700MHz allocations.
3. I don't know if either network supports voice on LTE yet, but there's at least three different ways to implement it and it's not impossible that T-Mobile has selected a different voice protocol to AT&T. No, I'm not making that up - originally, the intention was that voice on LTE would be GSM's pre-existing IMS protocol. Several carriers balked, arguing that it doesn't support what's necessary to ensure there's a consistent quality of service when the network is congested, and as a result there's VoLTE and also, for reasons that remain unclear to this day, a version of GAN (UMA - that "GSM over Wi-fi" thing) all competing in that space.
Before you rule out (1) and (2) and deduce it must be (3) by process of elimination, (3) is unlikely to be the issue as most phone makers are simply avoiding the entire question by routing voice over 2G or 3G.
So I don't know. My guess is that this is a regular phone that supports LTE, in all of its forms, on 1700/2100, and maybe on 700MHz too. It probably doesn't support voice on UMTS at all. It may well be standard enough to work on Sprint PCS's LTE too, though as it doesn't support cdma2000/cdmaOne, it's wouldn't be marketed towards Sprint customers as it would suck being limited to being a data phone only, and then only in the few places Sprint has LTE.
OK, but the GP's explanation is certainly consistent with the article. You're not contradicting the GP, just explaining that the article itself doesn't go into detail.
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They're still being manufactured and new models continue to be introduced. The manufacturers are subtly changing the marketing though, but I'm not sure what you call a $300 10" laptop other than a Netbook.
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Right, if it follows the same process for Android phones, the first production model will have an even worse battery life, followed by the next version, that'll barely last 30 minutes between charges.
And if you dare suggest this might not be, you know, enough for the device to be useful, all the trolls will come out and demand to know why you expect such a powerful widget to have a battery life measured in hours...
They have in common a District Attorney. Therefore it's legitimate to compare them when determining whether the DA's actions are proportionate or not, and also looking for differences that might help us understand the DA's motivation.
The bit they shared the same DA was actually in the summary, which I suppose you also didn't read.
On the other hand I think she deserves a scholarship, and that the case for giving her a scholarship increases the longer and more extreme the authorities hound her. I hope there are Universities out there farsighted enough to recognize that the lynch mob (the one you've regrettably decided to join) is exceptionally damaging to the cause of education and learning, especially when on the surface at least it does appear to have the hallmarks of racial and sexual discrimination.
If you get your way, the only way to undo the damage is for others to come forward and pro-actively reward her for her actions.
While I agree that adding a keyboard turns a tablet into a useful device, it's because it becomes a not-tablet.
What's even more useful than a not-tablet is a netbook. The advantage? Well, a few: there's a proper OS that expects you to have a keyboard available on the netbook, the keyboard isn't stripped down (it's a little small OTOH, but the same is true of the not-tablet), and the keyboard is usually built in, rather than either being an entirely different unit, and thus difficult to balance with your tablet on your knee, or clumsily attached using a leather case - and usually still difficult to balance on your knee.
What'd probably actually fix the whole problem is if that Atrix "Large Android smartphone when not docked, laptop with desktop OS when docked" thing could actually take off. That'd probably require Google integrating a desktop UI into Android though, and thus far they've shown no interest in doing so. And yeah, I know Ubuntu did it, but they're not Android's primary developers.
Right, if it follows the same process for Android phones, the first production model will have an even worse battery life, followed by the next version, that'll barely last 30 minutes between charges.
And if you dare suggest this might not be, you know, enough for the device to be useful, all the trolls will come out and demand to know why you expect such a powerful widget to have a battery life measured in hours...
I think they can do better than that.
This is a product being used by governments to spy on citizens. Can you imagine what it would do to these investigations, legit or abusive, if the real Firefox were to pop-up a message on the screen of everyone being spied upon notifying them what's going on?
We're not just talking about ruining the reputation of the spyware company, though that would be a bonus. We're talking about heads rolling of virtually anyone who employed these suckers, which in turn should mean just a little more care is taken in future.
Firefox needs to be altered to detect the presence of the spyware, and warn those being spied upon. If it actually destroys a legitimate investigation, then so much the better.
You'd need more than a carbon tax. Indeed, a carbon tax wouldn't even be the thing that makes the major difference.
What's actually needed is a liberalization of zoning laws. It being legal to build a supermarket within walking distance of a residence will make a much bigger impact than punishing people for living far away from a supermarket they're not allowed to live close to.
A liberalization of zoning laws would also make transit systems more desirable to potential users, in turn creating practical profitable business models for running them, in turn encouraging people to open bus and, to a lesser extent, passenger train systems. Again, having public transport available to people will make a much bigger impact than punishing people for not using a public transportation system that does not exist.
I think it's amusing that most of the things that would improve the environment actually involve deregulation, more economic freedom, and more choices for people, but are kneejerk opposed by the pseudo-libertarian set because FREEDOM means being forced to live no less than two miles from the nearest supermarket, and because FREEDOM means that customers of said supermarket must be forced to subsidize those who travel to the supermarket by car.
There are actually chains that have a negative margin. Kwiksave, for example, has (or had, no idea if they're still around) a business model of simply waiting three months after delivery before paying for the items they sold. They'd make enough money from interest while they hold the payments to cover both their running costs, and to allow them to sell everything at cost or slightly below.
It's an interesting industry.
>{? In fairness I took a look at their stock this morning and, however difficult it is to believe (it really is to me) it has been mostly rising throughout the entire 12 months - the few drops it's had it's recovered from, and those seem to have co-incided with general stock market jitters, not BlackBerry itself per-se.
Same way they tax companies that only engage in cash transactions.
It's not hard. Yes, there are opportunities for fraud, but when one company says it paid 1,000,000 bitcoins for a PC, and the selling company says it sold the PC to the first company for 10 bitcoins, then one or the other company has submitted a fraudulent tax return, and the truth will come out once both are investigated.
You're right, and yes, he's a shill.
What makes this article particularly unpleasant is the deliberate misrepresentation of Google's reasons for buying Motorola. Google didn't buy Motorola to ensure it made a profit from patent royalties. It bought Motorola so it has a warchest of patents it can use if Android is attacked by a company like Nokia or Apple.
Microsoft hasn't attacked Android - it's gone to Android phone manufacturers and negotiated patent royalties, yes, but those royalties haven't been excessive and have been comparable to the royalties paid normally by mobile phone makers for key technologies. It hasn't tried to prevent Android phones from being made, nor tried to gouge Android phone makers. So Microsoft's settlement with Motorola was never going to be particularly excessive.
There's a warehouse store I frequent, with the unlikely name of "BJs, that insists on checking everyone leaving for, well, supposedly stolen merchandise.
They do this by asking for the receipt. They then look for items listed on the receipt, and verify those items are in the shopping basket. After a couple of checks to make sure different items listed on the receipt are in your basket, they wish you a good day and wave you on.
Yes, that's right. They check you have the items you bought, not that you have items you didn't buy. I'm sure the presence of a check makes people feel like they wouldn't get away with stealing anything though.
Not everyone wants to work from four in the afternoon until seven the following morning... I prefer an eight hour day myself...
Elon doesn't have to in order to benefit from public transit. This is what the people who write letters to the editor demanding the shutting down of all subsidized transit systems forget: they benefit as much as the riders do. Each transit rider is one less car in front of them.
Note that, for example, one reason the US doesn't have many functional bus services is that most parts of the US have planning systems that force everyone to pay for car usage regardless of whether they want to use a car or not. The result is that it's uneconomic to run bus services.
Now imagine that congestion charging is introduced. Suddenly a large chunk of the costs of car usage are moved from "everyone" to "those people who are causing the problem." Those people who are causing the problem will start to look for alternatives. Eventually a balance will arise where enough people find it more economic and desirable to use a bus run by a profit-seeking company, taking 20 cars off the road per bus.
The number will still be lower than a system whereby car owners genuinely pay for direct usage, including payments to businesses for use of their parking spaces etc, but it would at least make some alternatives to car transportation profitable.
FWIW, not all journeys at rush hour are "necessary" - that is, commuters trying to get to work. This is particularly evident here in Florida where large numbers of retirees take to the roads at the same time as most commuters, largely to take advantage of breakfast specials at local restaurants. These people would be forced off the road if there was congestion charging.
And, of course, that congestion charging can be used to pay for improvements that also reduce the congestion. So it should be win-win.
Quite, he's on Slashdot, he should have used a car analogy. Oh, wait...
You guys do know that there are half a dozen installers in the Play Store (aka the Android Market) that put a full copy of Ubuntu on your unrooted Android phone right?
I've used Maemo. I had an N800 myself. It's a nice prototype, and I don't doubt that the Meego changes, which included a revamp of the UI, have almost certainly resulted in something much more usable. But at this stage it's hard to say that Maemo's "I'm kinda GNU/Linux, except I use Busybox for no apparent reason and I use a UI that's entirely different from regular GNU/Linux meaning my touted Debianness isn't really that useful in practice" is actually so much more Linuxy than Android that it actually matters in any practical way.
I find the Amiga comparisons awkward. The Amiga was a revolutionary new system that did things in a revolutionary way, bringing technologies to the regular user that otherwise weren't available outside of high end workstations, and doing so in many ways more practically, fluid, and clean than those high end Workstations. I've used a Sun workstation circa 1990-1993. I preferred using my considerably less powerful A500+ (with 6Mb RAM and an 40Mb HD).
The better comparison might be with the Atari ST. The Atari ST wasn't a quantum leap in functionality, indeed it was practically a PC clone - minus access to the command line (which is OK because COMMAND.COM sucked), but the low cost and use of better hardware meant it attracted a large group of dedicated devotees.
I'm wondering if it's the case that many Meego enthusiasts just do not realize what Android is capable of.
Uh yes. I even described the problem with regard to UMTS phones. I'm unsure as to what in the above you thought suggested I wasn't aware of compatibility issues being present for non-LTE devices.
The question was about how a device's compatability with two different mobile networks' implementations of LTE might not be automatic. What did you think the question was?
VoLTE uses IMS. VoLTE is not a synonym for IMS, otherwise there wouldn't be a standard called VoLTE, it would be called IMS, as running plain IMS over LTE is.
Nobody has claimed any such thing.
Which is rather different from plain old IMS. IMS is not a standard that covers any of those issues.
VoLTE was the result of Verizon and other carriers seeing IMS proposed as the standard for LTE voice calls. Yes, they incorporated IMS as a part of that standard, but to leap from that to "VoLTE is IMS" is a massive error. It's one part, not the whole thing. If it were the whole thing, then voice would have been rolled out over LTE from the beginning as IMS was already specified (back in the GPRS days, indeed) and was originally what LTE's designers specified.
There's a variety of possibilities here, because LTE has kinda screwed up the standards thing.
1. It might just mean frequency. For example, T-Mo's UMTS is different from AT&T's in that T-Mobile runs their's on 1700Mhz and 2100MHz, while AT&T runs their's on 850MHz and also on 1900MHz. That said, this seems unlikely, both are running LTE on 1700/2100, though AT&T is also running it on 700MHz.
2. How the two networks use their frequencies may vary, though I doubt it. Verizon and AT&T choose different ways to handle, for example, uplink and downlink frequencies when running it on their 700MHz allocations.
3. I don't know if either network supports voice on LTE yet, but there's at least three different ways to implement it and it's not impossible that T-Mobile has selected a different voice protocol to AT&T. No, I'm not making that up - originally, the intention was that voice on LTE would be GSM's pre-existing IMS protocol. Several carriers balked, arguing that it doesn't support what's necessary to ensure there's a consistent quality of service when the network is congested, and as a result there's VoLTE and also, for reasons that remain unclear to this day, a version of GAN (UMA - that "GSM over Wi-fi" thing) all competing in that space.
Before you rule out (1) and (2) and deduce it must be (3) by process of elimination, (3) is unlikely to be the issue as most phone makers are simply avoiding the entire question by routing voice over 2G or 3G.
So I don't know. My guess is that this is a regular phone that supports LTE, in all of its forms, on 1700/2100, and maybe on 700MHz too. It probably doesn't support voice on UMTS at all. It may well be standard enough to work on Sprint PCS's LTE too, though as it doesn't support cdma2000/cdmaOne, it's wouldn't be marketed towards Sprint customers as it would suck being limited to being a data phone only, and then only in the few places Sprint has LTE.
It's probably very boring in practice.
Thanks! That makes sense.
I'm confused. If the first chip supporting x86 64 didn't come out until ten years ago, how did Linux support it two years prior?
OK, but the GP's explanation is certainly consistent with the article. You're not contradicting the GP, just explaining that the article itself doesn't go into detail.