No. I proposed hosting them separately with a unique key I was willing to share with a specific outsider for a specific transaction... OR having no encryption at all in that circumstance.
The implication being that you can choose anything between those two extremes at your discretion.
""My god... read my fucking posts please. I am talking about keeping the keys client side. Which means if you do a man in the middle attack they get nothing but encrypted garbage.""
See that? I am not conflating your insults with your illiteracy. Rather, I am conflating your inability to read my post as evidence of illiteracy.
By all means, disagree with something I said. However, if you say I said something I didn't say or make a point that makes no sense in the context of the discussion because you didn't read my post... I am going to fucking call you on it.
You complete waste of skin. Turn off the computer and get off the internet. The moron quotient was met decades ago on the internet.
That you presume to judge my intelligence is frankly the most offensive thing you've said. You're garbage.
What is up with people being completely unable to read?
If the key and decryption engine are kept CLIENT SIDE and 100 percent of all information uploaded AND downloaded is kept in an encrypted format that the host does not have access to... then what is the issue?
The only server I suggested that could host the key would be a local server under your control. Serving a decryption key to your client systems should require basically no resources at all. A little file the thin clients grab as part of the login script.
Do you think they are spying on me personally because I frequently push encrypted files around?
I rather doubt it. I'm sure that they passively grab things from me just like they do from everyone... but as to specifically focusing on me?... unlikely.
Your rule 2 is only relevant if rule 1 is broken. If they don't impoverish their host society then they can drive around in limos all they like. it is only when they drive around in limos while making everyone else poor that there is a problem.
Actually, he was wrong because my point, if you had read it, made his point irrelevant.
Neither he nor you either read or understood my point as evidenced by your continued inability to grasp a very simple issue.
As to tiny cocks, so let me get this straight... some idiot on the internet displays manifest illiteracy and someone else pointing that out is evidence that they have a tiny penis?
Is the ability to read something you associate with having small genitals?
You are an idiot. That isn't an insult. That is a conclusion of the above observation that concludes with you having to be an idiot. Only an idiot could make such a fucking retarded argument.
Use the word that makes you happy. I choose arrogance because these people thought they could pass a law and control me. This law and their previous actions won't work. I have enough tools at my disposal to brush aside these chains. It is arrogance on their part to think "this" is enough to control us. Passive encryption of everything renders their policy of permanent retention a policy to record infinite amounts of garbage data.
It implies they're better at putting bullshit on my machine then literally the entire planet's security infrastructure is at keeping it off my machine.
The NSA are not gods. They have gotten this far by relying on our belief that they weren't going to do it.
We know better now. It is like the way terrorists hijacked an airplane on 9/11. They were only able to do that because the passengers didn't think they were going to kill them much less crash the plane into a skyscrapper.
The tactic became obsolete literally in the middle of the attack. Within a couple hours, it became totally impossible to hijack a US plane without killing all the passengers first. Try it today and indifferent to the TSA, air marshals, or any other bullshit the passangers will claw through their piled dead to rip you apart limb from literal limb... biting your eyes out if required. Imagine a worst case zombie movie on an airplane. Pretty much that. They were only able to take over those planes with box cutters because no one thought they'd do what they did. Now that we know they can't do that anymore. End of story.
NSA is in the same position. No one trusts them anymore. They used to be trusted to audit security code for businesses amongst other things. Companies would literally hand them their source code and say "help me find security holes, please"... Today very few companies are going to trust the NSA to do that.
The NSA has been classified as an enemy by most of society especially in computer security throughout the entire world... including the US.
They'll probably never get the trust back. So the laws they pass don't really matter because what is really going to hurt them is that people are going to make a point of keeping them out when before they were invited in on purpose. Their whole plan of passively monitoring everyone will at best monitor people that have no value to them. Anyone with any interest in shaking their eyes will do so easily absent intense investment in observing specific people. The whole plan is profoundly self defeating.
The NSA lost the moment they made it clear they had no respect for the innocent people that had previously passively tolerated them.
Again, if I only send encrypted information and both the key and encryption engine stay local then simply intercepting my communications gets them nothing but an encrypted stream of data.
lots of people throw encrypted data around now and the government doesnt even try to break most of it or consider those people targets just because they encrypt.
As time goes on that will become more common and the government if anything will view the issue as being less hostile even if it does make their job harder. If everyone does it then they're not going to call everyone an enemy.
not without a court order and that will require due process.
The issue is not the government forcing you to decrypt stuff. If I had a safe that I locked something into, then a court could order me to open it... at any time from 1500 to today. So that's nothing new and not a problem.
The issue is that they're opening stuff without a paper trail, a court order, involving a judge, or providing in any way due process to the accused.
I don't mind courts ordering me to decrypt stuff. I do mind the executive doing it without involving the judiciary or giving me my day in court.
Not without targeting me specifically which they are very unlikely to do. THe issue is that they're spying on everyone passively because it is easy. They could hire people to look through our bed room windows every night. But they don't because it is expensive.
If you force them to dedicate resources to hack every individual machine they simply won't unless they really want YOUR information specifically. And they'll have to be convinced I'm a terrorist or something to bother. Since that isn't terribly likely... I'm willing to play the odds they're not going to do that or pay someone to look through my windows.
Which means you're assuming they're going to passively hack every computer in the US and keep it a secret from all the people fiendishly looking for it. Good luck with that plan. The discrepancy between what the computer should be doing and what it is doing will be noticed. When it contacts IP addresses that it shouldn't, it will be noticed... etc. There is no way they'd get away with that for any extended period of time. Which means it would be all over the media and the only people that would allow the hack to stay in place would be people so clueless they don't even read newspapers.
You clearly don't know anything about living in such countries or being that poor.
When you're that poor... living in shit... feeding your children garbage... you don't care about the environment. You care rather about YOUR environment. And you know that the fastest way to improve conditions for YOU is to have more money. Go to the slums of any desperately poor country and offer people there 1 million dollars if they poor a river of shit into the pristine ecosystem of your choice.
How many of them will do it? What to lay odds that they'll be less likely to do it then me?
I won't do it... because I have money.
Take away our money and see who gives a shit about anything you say ever again. People like you are listened to for even a moment because we are wealthy enough to consider environmental impacts.
The instant you fuck with that... that is gone. You doubtless crypto communistic environmental policy will at best serve a communist agenda. But the environment will actually get trashed by your ideas. Look at the soviets. Communists don't give a shit about the environment... because it is a stupid economic model and they're always poor. And poor people don't care about the environment.
First rule of computer security is physical security. Anyone able to sit down at that worker's desk had better have clearance or the security is bullshit. That includes the fucking cleaners.
Absent literally hacking every machine they want to monitor communications from... they can't do that. If the keys are kept private then they're not going to get access to them unless you start transmitting them in the clear in obvious ways. In which case... stupid is as stupid does.
Ideally, the keys should not be transmitted over the internet at all. "how do you decrypt the files then!" I said you do it client side.
You upload and download encrypted files... and encrypt and decrypt locally. Neither the keys nor the engine are transmitted at all. It is kept local.
So you too have reading comprehension issues? Listen, idiots... I have no problem with people disagreeing with me. Disagree all day and I'll be just fine with it. But fail to read my post and then respond to your illiterate interpretation of my posts and I'm going to call you on your illiteracy.
Take you for example. You are apparently under the impression that I "flew off the handle" because someone disagreed with me. Which is clearly idiotic since it is quite clear that I flew off the handle because the moron commenting on me didn't actually read my post at even a grade school level.
If you are literally at the level of "run spot run" then please do the internet a favor and do not comment.
Already in law if they provide a warrant. And if they provide people due process, then I don't care. It is the avoidance of due process that is the problem in the first place.
How are they going to copy information that isn't flowing over the lines?
As to copying everything. While they might be able to keep meta data there is no way they're ever going to have enough data capacity to copy everything.
The 4k horse porn streams are not getting copied into the NSA data server... unless they really want it.
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No. I proposed hosting them separately with a unique key I was willing to share with a specific outsider for a specific transaction... OR having no encryption at all in that circumstance.
The implication being that you can choose anything between those two extremes at your discretion.
Actually, you are illiterate.
Here is what I said when I responded negatively:
""My god... read my fucking posts please. I am talking about keeping the keys client side. Which means if you do a man in the middle attack they get nothing but encrypted garbage.""
See that? I am not conflating your insults with your illiteracy. Rather, I am conflating your inability to read my post as evidence of illiteracy.
By all means, disagree with something I said. However, if you say I said something I didn't say or make a point that makes no sense in the context of the discussion because you didn't read my post... I am going to fucking call you on it.
You complete waste of skin. Turn off the computer and get off the internet. The moron quotient was met decades ago on the internet.
That you presume to judge my intelligence is frankly the most offensive thing you've said. You're garbage.
Log off and vanish.
cleaners can and should be screened for security.
Ideally, all these systems should be shake and bake.
Substantiate your position with quotes immediately or it must be assumed your statement is baseless.
What is up with people being completely unable to read?
If the key and decryption engine are kept CLIENT SIDE and 100 percent of all information uploaded AND downloaded is kept in an encrypted format that the host does not have access to... then what is the issue?
The only server I suggested that could host the key would be a local server under your control. Serving a decryption key to your client systems should require basically no resources at all. A little file the thin clients grab as part of the login script.
Do you think they are spying on me personally because I frequently push encrypted files around?
I rather doubt it. I'm sure that they passively grab things from me just like they do from everyone... but as to specifically focusing on me?... unlikely.
No they can't. They've tried. They've failed.
Your rule 2 is only relevant if rule 1 is broken. If they don't impoverish their host society then they can drive around in limos all they like. it is only when they drive around in limos while making everyone else poor that there is a problem.
Actually, he was wrong because my point, if you had read it, made his point irrelevant.
Neither he nor you either read or understood my point as evidenced by your continued inability to grasp a very simple issue.
As to tiny cocks, so let me get this straight... some idiot on the internet displays manifest illiteracy and someone else pointing that out is evidence that they have a tiny penis?
Is the ability to read something you associate with having small genitals?
You are an idiot. That isn't an insult. That is a conclusion of the above observation that concludes with you having to be an idiot. Only an idiot could make such a fucking retarded argument.
Use the word that makes you happy. I choose arrogance because these people thought they could pass a law and control me. This law and their previous actions won't work. I have enough tools at my disposal to brush aside these chains. It is arrogance on their part to think "this" is enough to control us. Passive encryption of everything renders their policy of permanent retention a policy to record infinite amounts of garbage data.
It implies they're better at putting bullshit on my machine then literally the entire planet's security infrastructure is at keeping it off my machine.
The NSA are not gods. They have gotten this far by relying on our belief that they weren't going to do it.
We know better now. It is like the way terrorists hijacked an airplane on 9/11. They were only able to do that because the passengers didn't think they were going to kill them much less crash the plane into a skyscrapper.
The tactic became obsolete literally in the middle of the attack. Within a couple hours, it became totally impossible to hijack a US plane without killing all the passengers first. Try it today and indifferent to the TSA, air marshals, or any other bullshit the passangers will claw through their piled dead to rip you apart limb from literal limb... biting your eyes out if required. Imagine a worst case zombie movie on an airplane. Pretty much that. They were only able to take over those planes with box cutters because no one thought they'd do what they did. Now that we know they can't do that anymore. End of story.
NSA is in the same position. No one trusts them anymore. They used to be trusted to audit security code for businesses amongst other things. Companies would literally hand them their source code and say "help me find security holes, please"... Today very few companies are going to trust the NSA to do that.
The NSA has been classified as an enemy by most of society especially in computer security throughout the entire world... including the US.
They'll probably never get the trust back. So the laws they pass don't really matter because what is really going to hurt them is that people are going to make a point of keeping them out when before they were invited in on purpose. Their whole plan of passively monitoring everyone will at best monitor people that have no value to them. Anyone with any interest in shaking their eyes will do so easily absent intense investment in observing specific people. The whole plan is profoundly self defeating.
The NSA lost the moment they made it clear they had no respect for the innocent people that had previously passively tolerated them.
Again, if I only send encrypted information and both the key and encryption engine stay local then simply intercepting my communications gets them nothing but an encrypted stream of data.
lots of people throw encrypted data around now and the government doesnt even try to break most of it or consider those people targets just because they encrypt.
As time goes on that will become more common and the government if anything will view the issue as being less hostile even if it does make their job harder. If everyone does it then they're not going to call everyone an enemy.
Wrong. Absence of evidence is absence of evidence. Full stop. Period. End of line.
by that same logic, they could be aliens from the x-files or something.
fallacious logic is fallacious.
not without a court order and that will require due process.
The issue is not the government forcing you to decrypt stuff. If I had a safe that I locked something into, then a court could order me to open it... at any time from 1500 to today. So that's nothing new and not a problem.
The issue is that they're opening stuff without a paper trail, a court order, involving a judge, or providing in any way due process to the accused.
I don't mind courts ordering me to decrypt stuff. I do mind the executive doing it without involving the judiciary or giving me my day in court.
Not without targeting me specifically which they are very unlikely to do. THe issue is that they're spying on everyone passively because it is easy. They could hire people to look through our bed room windows every night. But they don't because it is expensive.
If you force them to dedicate resources to hack every individual machine they simply won't unless they really want YOUR information specifically. And they'll have to be convinced I'm a terrorist or something to bother. Since that isn't terribly likely... I'm willing to play the odds they're not going to do that or pay someone to look through my windows.
Which means you're assuming they're going to passively hack every computer in the US and keep it a secret from all the people fiendishly looking for it. Good luck with that plan. The discrepancy between what the computer should be doing and what it is doing will be noticed. When it contacts IP addresses that it shouldn't, it will be noticed... etc. There is no way they'd get away with that for any extended period of time. Which means it would be all over the media and the only people that would allow the hack to stay in place would be people so clueless they don't even read newspapers.
Utterly impossible to sustain... just no.
You clearly don't know anything about living in such countries or being that poor.
When you're that poor... living in shit... feeding your children garbage... you don't care about the environment. You care rather about YOUR environment. And you know that the fastest way to improve conditions for YOU is to have more money. Go to the slums of any desperately poor country and offer people there 1 million dollars if they poor a river of shit into the pristine ecosystem of your choice.
How many of them will do it? What to lay odds that they'll be less likely to do it then me?
I won't do it... because I have money.
Take away our money and see who gives a shit about anything you say ever again. People like you are listened to for even a moment because we are wealthy enough to consider environmental impacts.
The instant you fuck with that... that is gone. You doubtless crypto communistic environmental policy will at best serve a communist agenda. But the environment will actually get trashed by your ideas. Look at the soviets. Communists don't give a shit about the environment... because it is a stupid economic model and they're always poor. And poor people don't care about the environment.
Twit.
First rule of computer security is physical security. Anyone able to sit down at that worker's desk had better have clearance or the security is bullshit. That includes the fucking cleaners.
Absent literally hacking every machine they want to monitor communications from... they can't do that. If the keys are kept private then they're not going to get access to them unless you start transmitting them in the clear in obvious ways. In which case... stupid is as stupid does.
Ideally, the keys should not be transmitted over the internet at all. "how do you decrypt the files then!" I said you do it client side.
You upload and download encrypted files... and encrypt and decrypt locally. Neither the keys nor the engine are transmitted at all. It is kept local.
So you too have reading comprehension issues? Listen, idiots... I have no problem with people disagreeing with me. Disagree all day and I'll be just fine with it. But fail to read my post and then respond to your illiterate interpretation of my posts and I'm going to call you on your illiteracy.
Take you for example. You are apparently under the impression that I "flew off the handle" because someone disagreed with me. Which is clearly idiotic since it is quite clear that I flew off the handle because the moron commenting on me didn't actually read my post at even a grade school level.
If you are literally at the level of "run spot run" then please do the internet a favor and do not comment.
Welcome to the internet.
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Good day, sir.
Already in law if they provide a warrant. And if they provide people due process, then I don't care. It is the avoidance of due process that is the problem in the first place.
How are they going to copy information that isn't flowing over the lines?
As to copying everything. While they might be able to keep meta data there is no way they're ever going to have enough data capacity to copy everything.
The 4k horse porn streams are not getting copied into the NSA data server... unless they really want it.